If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Cypress]

The universe is in order,except the Spirit of mankind

There is no science of consciousness, and maybe there never will be. Consciousness cannot be adequately explained at the level of physics and chemistry.

 

[WinterBorn]

I think trying to decide what God wants or how it should be is kinda ridiculous.

Wouldn't the book be up to God?

 

[gfm7175]

As I said previously, there's always some spin to justify the irrational claims of the Bible.

How was there light before the stars were created?

How did the stars come into existence?

Christians have had a long time to figure out all of their excuses and spin for the nonsense in the Bible. You can try it on me, but it's not going to work. If God existed, and actually wanted people to believe in him, he wouldn't have written a book that an 8-year-old can't find flaws in.

 

[Cypress]

How was there light before the stars were created?

From the point of view of physics, light is just electromagnetic energy transmitted in the form of photons. Light (photons) existed long before there were stars. Light was first able to travel freely in the universe when the universe cooled enough for protons and electrons to bond. That was only a few hundred thousand years after the big bang. It took many millions of years for the first stars to form.

Bottom line: there was light long before there were stars.

 

[gfm7175]

In biblical times, God made his presence known on a regular basis. If he actually gave a shit what we believed, he would continue to make his presence known.

God DOES continue to make his presence known... He's never stopped.

Maybe one video wouldn't be enough, maybe two videos wouldn't be enough,

So we can just drop this whole "video" thing then, yes? ... as you're now admitting that videos wouldn't be sufficient...

but when things keep happening, and masses of people see it, at some point you can't deny it.

It can (and would) still be denied. In fact, this scenario has already happened roughly 2,000 years ago... and guess what... many people STILL denied it.

However, as I mentioned, it was regular occurrence to claim any number of gods doing things on earth.

So?

It's easy to claim ridiculous shit when there's no expectation of proof other than spoken word.

Religion makes use of evidence, not proof.

 

[gfm7175]

So you can't prove those things aren't true?

 

[gfm7175]

I don't even believe he exists because of a lack of evidence.

You still haven't learned what 'evidence' and 'proof' are, nor the difference between them.
You still haven't learned what 'science' and 'religion' are, nor the difference between them.

Until then, you will continue to say extremely stupid things like this.

 

[Into the Night]

I know what random means and what it doesn't mean.

No, you don't. That's obvious. You don't even know what 'random' means. That's also obvious. You really should learn the English language.

Something that was truly random would have no explanation for the behavior.

Randomness does have an explanation. It is not a hehavior.

We know why electrons change levels within an atom. It happens when certain conditions become true. That is not random.

It is random. electrons move randomly. So do photons. The universe is unorganized. An electron is not the Universe. A photon is not the Universe.

I'm not going to be dragged into another one of your or @Into the Night dumb word games to try to distract from the topic.

You can't blame your word games on me or anybody else, Void. You have never stopped playing your word games.

Go learn English.

Your lacks of understanding of what random means are not my issue.

Inversion fallacy. You cannot blame your problems on me or anybody else, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

Uh, no....atheists, because of the "a" in front of theists, assert there are no gods.

Redefinition fallacy (atheism<-religious fundamentalism).

It's the opposite of theists who assert there are gods.

Redefinition fallacy (atheism<->Church of No God).

Atheism is not a religion, Void. Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

the·ism
/ˈTHēˌizəm/
noun
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Redefinition fallacy (theism<->god).

a·the·ism
/ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun

1. disbelief in the existence of God or gods.

Redefinition fallacy (atheism<->Church of No God).

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If you don't believe in gods.....then you are asserting there are no gods....which is why you don't believe in them.

False dichotomy fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

This is the kind of irrelevant debate that @IBDaMann likes to have to avoid having an actual discussion about the topic.

He is not avoiding any topic. YOU ARE.

Whether it's atheism or atheistic, the person is saying there are no gods.

He is saying no such thing. Mantra 40a.

If you don't believe in the existence of God's, then you are saying there are no gods.

False dichotomy fallacy.

I would never say I don't believe in the existence of cows and then turn around and say I believe cows do exist.

False equivalence fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

If the universe were unorganized we wouldn't even be doing science, dummy.

Science is not a verb. Science is not the Universe. The Universe is unorganized.

The primary assumptions underlying science are that the universe is intelligible and predictable, and we should expect to be able to find organization and predictability when we go looking for it.

Science is not the Universe. Science is not organization. The Universe is unorganized.

 

[Into the Night]

The universe is in order,except the Spirit of mankind

The Universe is unorganized. A spirit is not the Universe.

 

[Into the Night]

Right, someone who believes or is convinced there are no gods.

Redefinition fallacy (atheism<->Church of No God).

Some internet trolls try to play the game that atheism holds no beliefs,

No game. Atheism holds no beliefs about any god or gods. It simply doesn't care whether they exist or not.

they just hold a provisional state of disbelief because they haven't seen the evidence yet...

Atheism is not a belief.

as if they are just patiently waiting for more evidence to roll in, lol

Evidence of what?

 

[Into the Night]

There is no science of consciousness, and maybe there never will be. Consciousness cannot be adequately explained at the level of physics and chemistry.

YARP

 

[Into the Night]

How did the stars come into existence?

Stars come and go. To say the 'stars came into existence' only looks at less than half of the events concerning stars.

The Universe is unorganized. We can only see so far into the Universe.

 

[Into the Night]

From the point of view of physics, light is just electromagnetic energy transmitted in the form of photons. Light (photons) existed long before there were stars. Light was first able to travel freely in the universe when the universe cooled enough for protons and electrons to bond. That was only a few hundred thousand years after the big bang. It took many millions of years for the first stars to form.

Bottom line: there was light long before there were stars.

What created the photons?

 

[gfm7175]

FFS.... The age of the Earth. The Bible does not literally say how old it is,

Right... The Bible doesn't specify Earth's age. It is one of the many details about the history of the heavens and the Earth that The Bible doesn't mention.

but many Christians literally believe that the Earth is only about 6,000 years old. There's entire society committed to it.

Sure, there's plenty of Christians out there who believe that the Earth is roughly 6,000 (or so) years old. It is a faith-based belief. There's evidence for a roughly 6,000 year old Earth, but there's also evidence for a MUCH older Earth.

I believe it's incorrect, but that's not provable anymore than either of us can prove there isn't an island full of magical rainbow unicorns in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

So it's FAITH BASED then, yes?
Are you going to stop with the "prove it" nonsense now?

However, it is still true that the Bible makes claim after claim after claim that flies directly in the face of various scientific areas. Your answer to these impossible things is to justify them with more claims that fly in the face of science.

Nope... you're going to continue onward with the "prove it" nonsense. You're going to continue pretending that science can somehow prove the nonexistence of God, prove that miracles are impossible, etc etc...

It's not possible for a human to walk on the surface of water,

It's possible, and it's been done MANY times by MANY different humans... myself included.

Now, in terms of stepping out from a boat and onto the middle of an unfrozen lake without sinking into the water (as is described in several Gospel accounts), that is a miracle. That miracle is evidence that Jesus truly is who he says he is (the Son of God) and that God has ultimate authority over his own creation (e.g. water, weather, etc).

so your God magically changes the atomic makeup of water to make it possible.

And that makes sense to you,

Yes, I'm convinced that God has ultimate authority over his own creation (and knows all the 'ins and outs' of his own creation).

despite the fact that the only evidence for your God today is a book written 2000 plus years ago,

That's not the only evidence. You've already been provided multiple evidences...

again, by people who couldn't explain where the sun went at night and used to very dead animals under buildings for good luck and quite literally wrote about thousands of other gods for whom are atheistic in your beliefs..

 

[Ross Dolan]

I don't even believe he exists because of a lack of evidence.

You do not even know what "the evidence" of a god existing...would be.

IF a god exists...EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS WOULD BE EVIDENCE.

But it would be ambiguous...and any rational, scientific individual would say, "I do not know if that is evidence of a god or not...so I do not know if at least one god exists or not."

THAT is the scientific, rational, logical thing to say about this issue.

 

[Cypress]

What created the photons?

From the energy present right after the big bang.