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[Into the Night]

The 6000 year figure was Assumed under the Assumption the 6 days of creation were 24 hour days! FYI the Sun and Moon were created till day 4!

Also, the length of time Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden is unknown.

In Hebrew, 'day' can mean any length of time, including the 24 hour day. A 'day' in Hebrew can mean 1000 years each....anything.

This kind of thing is inherent in any language translation. The word may translate, but the idiom does not.
If you take the phrase, "Out of sight, out of mind", translate it into Japanese and back to English, you get the phrase, "Invisible idiot".

This kind of thing can happen in any translation between languages. European languages had no word for 'zero'. We just kept the Arabic word, modifying it's pronunciation a little. That word also became the root for 'cipher', since the unfamiliar numbers were like secret writing.

Genesis was translated from Hebrew. Along with that come the inevitable distortions of meaning.

Welcome to the wonderful wacky world of translations.

 

[Into the Night]

Actually we have no idea how modern the World was at the time just before the Flood!

Very true. The technology available to Noah when he constructed the Ark is unknown. Further, he had the guidance from God to complete this work. The number of helpers he had is also unknown.

 

[Into the Night]

The Halo over their heads is how the ancients,explained in pictures,what they felt as far as the Holy Spirit!
That's the proof doubters can't comprehend!
Without the Holy Spirit ,Christianity would have died out,probably within a decade of Jesus heading home!
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Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). The existence of this picture is not a proof.

 

[Into the Night]

Random equations are no the Universe, Clanker.

 

[Into the Night]

That's wrong.

The life of Jesus is attested to outside the canon, by Romans, Jews, Syrians, Greeks.

The resurrection account is attested to outside the Bible by people who knew and interviewed the eyewitnesses: Polycarp, Ireneus, Clement.

How do you know?

 

[Into the Night]

Tell me you're a science denier without telling me you're a science denier.

You just did. Science is not religion.

Separate topic.

YOU brought up that subtopic! DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

It hasn't varied enough to make the geneology, and expected life expectancy of each generation, to get anywhere close to the actual age of the earth.

Earth existed before humans walked the Earth. There was no death before the Fall. It is unknown how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. The Bible also records that Adam died some 930 years after the Fall.

Average human lifespan has been as short as 30 years in fairly recent history.
Now it's approaching 90. More and more people are living to their 100th birthday and even past it.

The age of Earth is unknown.

If you know a house has been in a family for "3 generations" you can make a reasonable estimate regarding how long the house has been in the family.

Not really. You could be off by 150 years.

If you know that same family was the original owner, and the house has been in the family for 3 generations, you can make a reasonable estimate on how old the house is.

Not really. You could be off by 150 years.

 

[Into the Night]

As far as I know, archeologists haven't found any Black & Decker circular saws.

Black and Decker was founded in 1917. Their first circular saw was marketed in 1930.
Circular saws are generally not used to build ships. They're too small.

Tall ships were generally built using one and two man hand saws.

 

[Margot]

Very true. The technology available to Noah when he constructed the Ark is unknown. Further, he had the guidance from God to complete this work. The number of helpers he had is also unknown.

I would love to have a detailed map of the World the day before the flood

 

[Margot]

Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). The existence of this picture is not a proof.

So you don't believe in the Holy Spirit?

 

[Into the Night]

IF the Noachian flood had happened there would be a consistent layer denoting that that was global in extent. We have an analogue in the form of the KT boundary which marks when the Xixilub impact happened. It seeded iridium in rocks all over the world. It shows up as an anomaly.

ALSO: if a global flood had happened it would leave rather specific types of deposits that would mark the event.

AND we'd see a huge portion of the global fossil record that was "empty" as the world repopulated from one place.

There's no way what we see in the rock record today to assume a global flood happened. It just doesn't bear witness to that.

The Noachian Flood would have to have been actively HIDDEN by God for it to be real and the globe to be as it is today. That would make God dishonest which is illogical.

Fossils aren't a record of any thing other than something that had died there and became fossilized.
Fossils don't record repopulation.
Floods don't necessarily leave huge deposits.

 

[Into the Night]

I would love to have a detailed map of the World the day before the flood

I suppose it would satisfy some curiosities, yes. To me, it really doesn't matter.

 

[Into the Night]

So you don't believe in the Holy Spirit?

A picture is not a spirit.

 

[IBDaMann]

It's actually pretty funny how you, @Into the Night and @gfm7175 claim to be all about science one minute and then, when your religious beliefs clearly fly in the face of scientific feasibility, you literally start pulling nonsense out of your asses without breaking stride.

Give me three examples of how my religious beliefs fly in the face of scientific feasability.

1. _____________________________________
2. _____________________________________
3. _____________________________________

 

[IBDaMann]

I suppose it would satisfy some curiosities, yes. To me, it really doesn't matter.

We'd be able to see what happened to the firmaments.

 

[IBDaMann]

Asserting or suggesting, "There are no gods" or "It is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one" IS NO MORE SCIENTIFIC than asserting or suggesting, "There is a GOD" or "It is more likely that there is at least one god than that there are no gods."

Both of these positions are theistic positions. Your position is the atheist position.

Neither theists or atheists make much sense at all.

This is a contradiction. This is logically equivalent to saying "neither X nor ~X is true".

The constant attacks on theists by atheists is as absurd

There haven't been any. This is why you can't point to any.

as Trump constantly attacking Presidents Obama and Biden for incompetence.

Trump is correct. Obama and Biden were both incompetent and treasonous.

 

[ZenMode]

Give me three examples of how my religious beliefs fly in the face of scientific feasability.

1. _____________________________________
2. _____________________________________
3. _____________________________________

The age of the Earth based on what we know about life expectancy of humans and the genealogy documented in the Bible

A human walking on the surface of water

A human body coming back to life after being dead for multiple days

 

[ZenMode]

You just did. Science is not religion.

I didn't say science was religion. Stop being dumb.

YOU brought up that subtopic! DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

I brought up the genealogy in Luke as relates to the age of the Earth, not what is generically wrong with it.

Since you insist on being a jackass, I will gladly point out what's wrong with it... The genealogy in Luke traces Jesus life back through Joseph. Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus.

Earth existed before humans walked the Earth. There was no death before the Fall. It is unknown how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. The Bible also records that Adam died some 930 years after the Fall.

You are hyper religious and a conspiracy theorist, which means you will always... I mean always... Have some justification for anything you want to believe.

Average human lifespan has been as short as 30 years in fairly recent history.

Yep, even if you use the most recent human lifespan, the genealogy in Luke does not come anywhere close to representing the actual age of the Earth.

Now it's approaching 90. More and more people are living to their 100th birthday and even past it.

The age of Earth is unknown.

He said to justify his religious beliefs...

Not really. You could be off by 150 years.

Not really. You could be off by 150 years.

Even at 150 years, the genealogy in Luke would not come close to representing the actual age of the Earth.

 

[Margot]

A picture is not a spirit.

Do you believe in the Holy Spirit?

 

[IBDaMann]

The age of the Earth based on what we know about life expectancy of humans and the genealogy documented in the Bible

Remind me, how old do I think the earth is?

A human walking on the surface of water

I have to admit, it sounds rather miraclous on its face. Clearly a miracle would have had to have occurred.

A human body coming back to life after being dead for multiple days

I have to admit, it sounds rather miraclous on its face. Clearly a miracle would have had to have occurred.

 

[Into the Night]

The age of the Earth based on what we know about life expectancy of humans and the genealogy documented in the Bible

Feeling schizophrenic again? There is only one of you.
The age of Earth is unknown. The Bible does not document the age of the Earth.

A human walking on the surface of water

...and? Heck...it's common to float huge chunks of iron in water.

A human body coming back to life after being dead for multiple days

...and?

Nothing you mentioned violates any theory of science.