Lot of water in the Oceans! Was it that deep before the Flood? Were the Oceans salt water Before the Flood?
If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book
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gfm7175
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Religion, by nature, is faith based. That doesn't mean that evidence for Christianity is discarded. In fact, it is often embraced.
First, you would need to understand the truth that a circular argument (in and of itself) isn't a logical fallacy. You would also need to realize some of the other instances in your life in which you likewise have faith (even for something as simple as sitting down in a chair and having faith that the chair is going to hold you upright).
Nothing rational about Christianity!
It comes down to a few points that are either true or they aren't!
Starting with Jesus!
For Jesus to be the real deal, Jesus has to be YHWH,that became a man known as Jesus! That Jesus AKA YHWH freely gave his life,so that Sinners would have a chance to have eternal life in the Spirit!
If Jesus isn't exactly who he claimed to be,then Christianity doesn't really exist! And the Jews were right,the Messiah still has come yet!
The Halo over their heads is how the ancients,explained in pictures,what they felt as far as the Holy Spirit!
That's the proof doubters can't comprehend!
Without the Holy Spirit ,Christianity would have died out,probably within a decade of Jesus heading home!
That's the proof doubters can't comprehend!
Without the Holy Spirit ,Christianity would have died out,probably within a decade of Jesus heading home!
The mathematical rationality, lawful organization, and fine tuning of the cosmos is actually pretty decent circumstantial evidence pointing to a higher rational organizing force or law-giving entity. It's illogical to believe the rational can come from the irrational, or that order and organization are caused by inanimate chance.
The historical record for the ministry, crucifixion, and post-crucifixion appearances of Jesus to his followers is actually pretty decent, even if a lot of the other purported secondary miracles seem to be hyperbole, symbolic, or exaggerated.
gfm7175
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How do you know? It very well COULD be 6,000 years old.
What doesn't make sense about the biblical genealogy from Adam to Jesus as presented in the book of Luke? The life expectancy of humans HAS varied widely over time.
Into the Night
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Cliche fallacy. I have not changed my position at all.
ALL religion is based on faith. Evidence can support faith.
You deny logic. You deny history. Spewing buzzwords like you do is not being intellectual.
You either believe Jesus is YHWH incarnate in the flesh or you don't!
No organized religion necessary!
The 6000 year figure was Assumed under the Assumption the 6 days of creation were 24 hour days! FYI the Sun and Moon were created till day 4!
gfm7175
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He said that faith is what his religion is based on. He's correct. That doesn't mean that he goes around ignoring any evidence that is for or against his faith.
Into the Night
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The Universe is unorganized.
How? The Universe is unorganized.
Buzzword fallacies. Go learn English and logic.
...such as...?
Crucifixion was used as a punishment of criminals against the state, including those who stood against Rome.
So the evidence is the Bible. Fine. The Bible is evidence. All you can claim objectively, however, is that the Bible exists and that it describes this material.
Why would you think any miracle is hyperbole, symbolic,or exaggerated??
Now you argue against the Bible. You can't have it both ways!
Into the Night
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You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.
Nothing about the Sermon on the Mount nor the Golden Rule prevents this.
Yet they deny the teaching of Jesus Christ almost completely.
How can they call themselves 'Christianity'?
That's wrong.
The life of Jesus is attested to outside the canon, by Romans, Jews, Syrians, Greeks.
The resurrection account is attested to outside the Bible by people who knew and interviewed the eyewitnesses: Polycarp, Ireneus, Clement.
ZenMode
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Tell me you're a science denier without telling me you're a science denier.
Separate topic.
It hasn't varied enough to make the geneology, and expected life expectancy of each generation, to get anywhere close to the actual age of the earth.
If you know a house has been in a family for "3 generations" you can make a reasonable estimate regarding how long the house has been in the family.
If you know that same family was the original owner, and the house has been in the family for 3 generations, you can make a reasonable estimate on how old the house is.
ZenMode
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As far as I know, archeologists haven't found any Black & Decker circular saws.
Flood left a real mess! Drain the Atlantic, dig around in the mud, you might find what you're looking for on Main St in Downtown Atlantis!
IF the Noachian flood had happened there would be a consistent layer denoting that that was global in extent. We have an analogue in the form of the KT boundary which marks when the Xixilub impact happened. It seeded iridium in rocks all over the world. It shows up as an anomaly.
ALSO: if a global flood had happened it would leave rather specific types of deposits that would mark the event.
AND we'd see a huge portion of the global fossil record that was "empty" as the world repopulated from one place.
There's no way what we see in the rock record today to assume a global flood happened. It just doesn't bear witness to that.
The Noachian Flood would have to have been actively HIDDEN by God for it to be real and the globe to be as it is today. That would make God dishonest which is illogical.
ZenMode
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The Flood destroyed the World Secular System! Not the planet or none secular people.