46 Afghan's gone AWOL in US

[Damocles]

Again, unless you can prove some nefarious motive other that going AWOL while Afghan, you may have a point.

Addendum: while are these people in the U.S. being trained at U.S. military bases, if just being Afghan puts them under suspicion? Seems pretty clear to me, train them in their own country if there's a "potential national security threat" by having them here.

Not really, it would be foolish to not entertain a bit of scrutiny on missing soldiers from a nation we occupy. I think you are a fool, willing to forgo even reasonable security and ignore even egregious mistakes if it is under the responsibility of the WH Administration. And I agree, we should train them in Afghanistan.

 

[Cypress]

I think that it was "kept quiet" until somebody let out this particular little "secret"...

It is not okay to let this kind of thing happen, and your blase attitude doesn't mean it isn't something we should take seriously.

I mean, come on, 'There was some Iraqi that did it last year!" is your defense of this total lack of security? I understand why they wanted it kept quiet, people may realize that they aren't doing their jobs.

I gotta go with Christie on this, bro.

Unless I have plausible evidence otherwise, I'm going to assume a few dozen men went AWOL for pretty much the same reason anybody else goes AWOL. Maybe they wanted to party with some chicks, maybe they wanted to hang out with some family, maybe they just aren't committed and responsible people. Who knows?

The fact that you consider human impact on climate change to be a "bunch of alarmist BS" - even though there's ginormous mountains of evidence, and nearly universal scientific consent in the climate science community that this is a significant threat to national security and the environment - while in contrast, wringing your hands about a few AWOL dudes pretty much says it all: aka, you are very selective on what you consider to be plausible threats, and it's quite possible that the rightwing media you read has conditioned you to poop your diapers whenever some men of dark-skinned south asian or middle eastern background are mentioned.

 

[Damocles]

I gotta go with Christie on this, bro.

Unless I have plausible evidence otherwise, I'm going to assume a few dozen men went AWOL for pretty much the same reason anybody else goes AWOL. Maybe they wanted to party with some chicks, maybe they wanted to hang out with some family, maybe they just aren't committed and responsible people. Who knows?

The fact that you consider human impact on climate change to be a "bunch of alarmist BS" - even though there's ginormous mountains of evidence, and nearly universal scientific consent in the climate science community that this is a significant threat to national security and the environment - while in contrast, wringing your hands about a few AWOL dudes pretty much says it all: aka, you are very selective on what you consider to be plausible threats, and it's quite possible that the rightwing media you read has conditioned you to poop your diapers whenever some men of dark-skinned south asian or middle eastern background are mentioned.

I believe that had these same men went AWOL under the previous administration that both of your reactions would be different, while mine would be the same. I think that you and she both are willing to ignore what you would find outrageous under different circumstances.

And I've already told you, I don't necessarily think it is BS, I just point out that the Global Warming Alarmism isn't "over" even according the leading scientists in that field and that your slavish devotion to it and certainty is unwarranted therefore.

There are good reasons to clean up our act that do not need religious devotion.

I think it is brutally foolish to pretend that our own soldiers AWOL in the US is no different than the soldiers of an occupied territory AWOL in our nation...

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Do they want to become Americans, or do they want to become guided missiles? Seriously, if this doesn't make you uncomfortable I can't imagine what would.

Threedee is a traitor to america. Jews programmed him and made him think it was smart.

 

[christiefan915]

Not really, it would be foolish to not entertain a bit of scrutiny on missing soldiers from a nation we occupy. I think you are a fool, willing to forgo even reasonable security and ignore even egregious mistakes if it is under the responsibility of the WH Administration. And I agree, we should train them in Afghanistan.

LOL. Name-calling, the last refuge of the desperate.

And jumping to your other post: "I believe that had these same men went AWOL under the previous administration that both of your reactions would be different, while mine would be the same. I think that you and she both are willing to ignore what you would find outrageous under different circumstances."

You believe wrong. My dislike of profiling stands alone, whether it's Afghanis going AWOL, Arizona IDing possible illegal immigrants, or NYers criticizing an Islamic Center near Ground Zero.

Get back to me when any of these Afghanis is actually charged with a crime against the U.S. so I can eat my words.

 

[Bonestorm]

I believe that had these same men went AWOL under the previous administration that both of your reactions would be different, while mine would be the same. I think that you and she both are willing to ignore what you would find outrageous under different circumstances.

And I've already told you, I don't necessarily think it is BS, I just point out that the Global Warming Alarmism isn't "over" even according the leading scientists in that field and that your slavish devotion to it and certainty is unwarranted therefore.

There are good reasons to clean up our act that do not need religious devotion.

I think it is brutally foolish to pretend that our own soldiers AWOL in the US is no different than the soldiers of an occupied territory AWOL in our nation...

Some of these soldiers did go AWOL under the previous administration. And the numbers in the FOXNews article don't really add up. It say 46 went AWOL since 2005 but then when it specifies how many went AWOL per year it only adds up to 36.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Some of these soldiers did go AWOL under the previous administration. And the numbers in the FOXNews article don't really add up. It say 46 went AWOL since 2005 but then when it specifies how many went AWOL per year it only adds up to 36.

thats because you have a reading comprehension problem....

"at least"....try reading it again, only take your time so you can more fully understand the english words

 

[Damocles]

LOL. Name-calling, the last refuge of the desperate.

And jumping to your other post: "I believe that had these same men went AWOL under the previous administration that both of your reactions would be different, while mine would be the same. I think that you and she both are willing to ignore what you would find outrageous under different circumstances."

You believe wrong. My dislike of profiling stands alone, whether it's Afghanis going AWOL, Arizona IDing possible illegal immigrants, or NYers criticizing an Islamic Center near Ground Zero.

Get back to me when any of these Afghanis is actually charged with a crime against the U.S. so I can eat my words.

Seasoning a post with some portions of "name-calling" is normal and usually fun. Had it been the only thing I said you'd have a point, but you and I both know it wasn't.

Personally I'd prefer we just knew where they were to begin with, even better if we just trained them in Afghanistan, and if they wanted to become citizens then we should provide a path for that. Instead we have people who argue that it is totally unnecessary to even look for these people because "hey, some Iraqi did it last year!"

And I still think you are a fool.

 

[Damocles]

Some of these soldiers did go AWOL under the previous administration. And the numbers in the FOXNews article don't really add up. It say 46 went AWOL since 2005 but then when it specifies how many went AWOL per year it only adds up to 36.

Re-read it. You add up numbers with "at least" and then ignore the "at least"...

 

[Bonestorm]

thats because you have a reading comprehension problem....

"at least"....try reading it again, only take your time so you can more fully understand the english words

Well, 46 is specific number. And the article says no fewer than 46. But then it doesn't tell you how it reached that number. And if you do the math it doesn't add up. At all.

 

[Bonestorm]

Ah, I see. The 46 number comes from a quote.

 

[Damocles]

Well, 46 is specific number. And the article says no fewer than 46. But then it doesn't tell you how it reached that number. And if you do the math it doesn't add up. At all.

Again "at least", it shows that there is incomplete information as to the year they went AWOL, while more full information as to how many have gone AWOL. This is as weak of a "defense" as I have ever seen. I find it interesting that we are only just finding out about it.

Nobody suggests we should call out the dogs and hunt them down with every tool at our disposal, ignoring all other issues or make them hit the "Public Enemy" list...

I just think that it is foolish to just say, "Well, it's all okay because some Iraqi requested asylum."

 

[Bonestorm]

Again "at least", it shows that there is incomplete information as to the year they went AWOL, while more full information as to how many have gone AWOL. This is as weak of a "defense" as I have ever seen. I find it interesting that we are only just finding out about it.

Nobody suggests we should call out the dogs and hunt them down. I just think that it is foolish to just say, "Well, it's all okay because some Iraqi requested asylum."

I'm not offering up a defense. I'm just trying to piece together how many went AWOL and how many are unaccounted for. It's difficult to figure out based on that article. It's one thing to have 46 AWOL Afghani soldiers whereabouts unknown and quite another to have 46 AWOL Afghani soldiers living in Canada.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Threedee is a traitor to america. Jews programmed him and made him think it was smart.

Damn, he's figured me out!!!

Anyway, Asshate, if you see one of the Jews, send them my way, because a few of my impulses are becoming randomized, and need reprogramming. I don't think they would like me to become too impulsive.

 

[Damocles]

I'm not offering up a defense. I'm just trying to piece together how many went AWOL and how many are unaccounted for. It's difficult to figure out based on that article. It's one thing to have 46 AWOL Afghani soldiers whereabouts unknown and quite another to have 46 AWOL Afghani soldiers living in Canada.

Yeah, I've noticed that. From what I can ascertain, most have been caught and people are doing the responsible thing and trying to find them. I'm good with that.

I just think it is cripplingly foolish to say, "Nah, we shouldn't worry about it at all because some Iraqi requested asylum." which is what I've heard so far. Since it wasn't you who said it, it doesn't appear as if we have any disagreement here Nigel.

I think it is only 18 that are in Canada. That's accounted for, and likely they just don't want to go back to Afghanistan. Who would?

 

[Bonestorm]

Yeah, I've noticed that. From what I can ascertain, most have been caught and people are doing the responsible thing and trying to find them. I'm good with that.

I just think it is cripplingly foolish to say, "Nah, we shouldn't worry about it at all because some Iraqi requested asylum." which is what I've heard so far. Since it wasn't you who said it, it doesn't appear as if we have any disagreement here Nigel.

Fuck that, let's disagree about something. It's more fun.

 

[christiefan915]

Seasoning a post with some portions of "name-calling" is normal and usually fun. Had it been the only thing I said you'd have a point, but you and I both know it wasn't.

Personally I'd prefer we just knew where they were to begin with, even better if we just trained them in Afghanistan, and if they wanted to become citizens then we should provide a path for that. Instead we have people who argue that it is totally unnecessary to even look for these people because "hey, some Iraqi did it last year!"

And I still think you are a fool.

I've never thought much of you either, but don't take it personally. It's just business.

Where was that damned liberal MSM or Cornyn's big mouth when the following went AWOL during the previous administration?

Abdul Ghani Barakzai: Age: 32. Went AWOL from DLI in September 2005.
Aminullah Sangarwal: Age: 27. Went AWOL from DLI in March 2006.
Mohd Ali Karimi: Age: 27: Went AWOL from DLI on July 5, 2006, the night before his scheduled flight back home to Afghanistan.
Mohammad Nasim Fateh Zada: Age: 43. Went AWOL from DLI in either 2005 or 2006. Currently living in Toronto.
Sardar Mohd Ahmadi: Age: 32. Went AWOL from DLI in January 2009, after graduating from DLI but before boarding scheduled flight back to Afghanistan on January 23.
Mohammad Zaher Aetimady: Age: 28 He and Ahmadi made the trip from DLI in San Antonio to Canada together. Currently living in Toronto.
Mirwais Qassmi: Age: 36. Was scheduled for formal training at Fort Sam after graduating from DLI but went AWOL in September 2008.
Barsat Noorani: Age: 28. Went AWOL from DLI in 2008.
Abdul Majeed Zaki: Age: Unknown. Went AWOL from DLI in August 2008.
Ahmad Walli Hamdard: Age: Unknown. Went AWOL from DLI in September 2008 .
Shaker Noori: Age: Unknown. He went AWOL from Fort Sam Houston in October 2008.

I reread the thread carefully and nobody here suggested that it was totally unnecessary to look for these people, so I guess you just pulled that one out of your tush. I think that "they" should look for all 40,000 Americans and 46 Afghanis, and charge them with going AWOL.

If you had a shred of honesty you'd admit that making a media issue out of this now, rather than over the last 8 years, is nothing but a cheap ploy.

 

[Damocles]

I've never thought much of you either, but don't take it personally. It's just business.

Where was that damned liberal MSM or Cornyn's big mouth when the following went AWOL during the previous administration?

Abdul Ghani Barakzai: Age: 32. Went AWOL from DLI in September 2005.
Aminullah Sangarwal: Age: 27. Went AWOL from DLI in March 2006.
Mohd Ali Karimi: Age: 27: Went AWOL from DLI on July 5, 2006, the night before his scheduled flight back home to Afghanistan.
Mohammad Nasim Fateh Zada: Age: 43. Went AWOL from DLI in either 2005 or 2006. Currently living in Toronto.
Sardar Mohd Ahmadi: Age: 32. Went AWOL from DLI in January 2009, after graduating from DLI but before boarding scheduled flight back to Afghanistan on January 23.
Mohammad Zaher Aetimady: Age: 28 He and Ahmadi made the trip from DLI in San Antonio to Canada together. Currently living in Toronto.
Mirwais Qassmi: Age: 36. Was scheduled for formal training at Fort Sam after graduating from DLI but went AWOL in September 2008.
Barsat Noorani: Age: 28. Went AWOL from DLI in 2008.
Abdul Majeed Zaki: Age: Unknown. Went AWOL from DLI in August 2008.
Ahmad Walli Hamdard: Age: Unknown. Went AWOL from DLI in September 2008 .
Shaker Noori: Age: Unknown. He went AWOL from Fort Sam Houston in October 2008.

I reread the thread carefully and nobody here suggested that it was totally unnecessary to look for these people, so I guess you just pulled that one out of your tush. I think that "they" should look for all 40,000 Americans and 46 Afghanis, and charge them with going AWOL.

If you had a shred of honesty you'd admit that making a media issue out of this now, rather than over the last 8 years, is nothing but a cheap ploy.

If the media had known about it the last 8 years and ignored it you may have a point, but again you and I both know that isn't the case. It was only this year the media found out about it through an announcement.

I find it interesting that such information was so carefully controlled between two administrations yet am glad we know now that it is happening, I am reasonably satisfied that people in charge are doing the right thing and attempting to account for the missing people, and when they needed it they sought help through the aforementioned announcement.

Yet you did suggest that nobody should pay any attention to this at all that talking about this particular issue was "bad" because first some Americans had gone AWOL too, then because some Iraqi had asked for asylum. You've been telling me that even paying any attention to this at all is the same thing as "profiling"... and because of that, on this particular issue I believe you are foolish.

 

[christiefan915]

If the media had known about it the last 8 years and ignored it you may have a point, but again you and I both know that isn't the case. It was only this year the media found out about it through an announcement.

Yes, and that's the big question, isn't it. Why none of this was leaked or publicized during the previous eight years--- especially about the people missing since the mid-2000s--- but suddenly it's an issue of national security during the Obama administration.

I find it interesting that such information was so carefully controlled between two administrations yet am glad we know now that it is happening, I am reasonably satisfied that people in charge are doing the right thing and attempting to account for the missing people, and when they needed it they sought help through the aforementioned announcement.

Yet you did suggest that nobody should pay any attention to this at all, that talking about this particular issue was "bad" because first some Americans had gone AWOL too, then because some Iraqi had asked for asylum.

You are such a fabricator it's embarrassing. Please cite the number of every post you're referring to, because I've reread the thread a number of times and can't find any of this.

You've been telling me that even paying any attention to this at all is the same thing as "profiling"... and because of that, on this particular issue I believe you are foolish.

You read into the posts according to your anti-liberal agenda, facts be damned.

My comments were limited to saying:

1. That just because the AWOLs were Afghans doesn't mean that their actions had a nefarious motive.

2. That I'm suspicious this info suddenly made the news in 2010 when a small number of Afghans has been going AWOL since 2002.

3. That Cornyn considers this particular group a "potential national security threat" after he has no evidence to believe so except for the nationality of the men.

4. That you're no better than Cornyn because you're condemning the Afghans with no proof of any wrongdoing except for going AWOL.

 

[Damocles]

Yes, and that's the big question, isn't it. Why none of this was leaked or publicized during the previous eight years--- especially about the people missing since the mid-2000s--- but suddenly it's an issue of national security during the Obama administration.

Yes, it is the point I made. Why now? What changed? I submit that seven or so that went AWOL during Bush's terms and were quickly found and picked up are a bit different than four times that amount which about half haven't been found, but that isn't why it got out. They found it enough of a threat to tell people to watch for them. That's why it suddenly came out. I agree with them, we should find these people.

You are such a fabricator it's embarrassing. Please cite the number of every post you're referring to, because I've reread the thread a number of times and can't find any of this.

Right... I'll seek out the posts where you said, "Some 40,000 American troops went AWOL and nobody cares!" You waste our time. I'm reasonably sure that people can read the thread and see what I am talking about, even if you want to pretend you can't.

You read into the posts according to your anti-liberal agenda, facts be damned.

My comments were limited to saying:

1. That just because the AWOLs were Afghans doesn't mean that their actions had a nefarious motive.

2. That I'm suspicious this info suddenly made the news in 2010 when a small number of Afghans has been going AWOL since 2002.

3. That Cornyn considers this particular group a "potential national security threat" after he has no evidence to believe so except for the nationality of the men.

4. That you're no better than Cornyn because you're condemning the Afghans with no proof of any wrongdoing except for going AWOL.

And my point has been.

1. It also doesn't mean we should ignore it, as you suggest we should.

2. You're "suspicions" are worthless, the government simply told us about it now. It's hard to be "suspicious" about how it came out now.

3. Right, because we should never consider people from a nation we occupy any sort of threat.

4. That's rubbish. I have simply stated: If all they want is to be citizens then we should have a path for that. However ignoring people from the army of a nation we occupy is foolish. I think it is absolute rubbish to start in on "profiling"... Have I ever said we should arrest every Afghan here? No. It's a silly straw man. I suggest we keep tabs on people in the military from ANY nation that we occupy that are in our nation, and we keep close tabs on them.