Hegseth issues an illegal order.

Nordberg said:
That is stupid. Many are settled with a peace deal that appeases both sides. That is the best result. But rightys care little about human suffering and unnecessary deaths.
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And in those cases, war crime trials don't happen. War is about human suffering and unnecessary deaths. Those are two things that define war.

What the hell do think? That was is just a more serious version of the police?
 
Jarod said:
I am concerned about rights and our rule of law, you appear not to be.
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I'm unconcerned about either in a FUCKING WAR! War is not about policing. It is not about bringing the bad guys to justice. It is not about arrests and trials. It is about killing the enemy, destroying all their shit, blowing the fuck out of their stuff and in general making them beg you to stop.
 
No magat here going to explain why this crystal clear rule of engagement does not apply? @T. A. Gardner ?

QP! said:
Can a magat here show me anywhere in the code conduct that allows anyone in the military to put this rule aside if, in their discretion they believe "...a survivor... out of combat... due to ship destruction...", is not "... considered hors de combat (out of the fight)..." and thus can be targeted and killed?

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From the U.S. Military Code of Conduct

  • and survivors of maritime warfare who are “out of combat” due to ship destruction



  • Enemy personnel in the water from a destroyed vessel are considered hors de combat (out of the fight)

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If an American war ship was blown up and some of the personell was floating in the water clinging to wreckage, an opposing army could assume they were trying (hoping) for a US war ship to save them and they would rejoin the fight. So do magats believe every single US service person in that spot is fair game to kill, if the opposing commander simply says 'I think they were trying to rejoin the fight"?
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T. A. Gardner said:
To ensure the target was completely destroyed. The military wasn't there to "bring them to justice" or to arrest them. They were there to blow their boat out of the fucking water and destroy their cargo. End of story.
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During an active war against Nazis you cannot do that. You are not firing on their boats to bring them to justice or arrest them. You bomb their ship to blow it out of the fucking water and destroy that ships capabilities and kill all on it.

And yet legally you can not just bomb the capsized disabled ship again and you MUST render aid to the nazi's stranded in the water.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm unconcerned about either in a FUCKING WAR! War is not about policing. It is not about bringing the bad guys to justice. It is not about arrests and trials. It is about killing the enemy, destroying all their shit, blowing the fuck out of their stuff and in general making them beg you to stop.
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That's mafiaism and mobism. Also Machiavellism.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm unconcerned about either in a FUCKING WAR! War is not about policing. It is not about bringing the bad guys to justice. It is not about arrests and trials. It is about killing the enemy, destroying all their shit, blowing the fuck out of their stuff and in general making them beg you to stop.
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No one cares about YOUR beliefs. You can believe the world is flat and that is OK.

Do you acknowledge American officials should follow their own laws and rules or do you think each and every person gets to decide that
 
QP! said:
During an active war against Nazis you cannot do that. You are not firing on their boats to bring them to justice or arrest them. You bomb their ship to blow it out of the fucking water and destroy that ships capabilities and kill all on it.

And yet legally you can not just bomb the capsized disabled ship again and you MUST render aid to the nazi's stranded in the water.
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Agreed. You can't strafe the water shooting survivors either. Leaving them to drown violates the law of rendering assistance unless leaving to for a legitimate reason such as actively pursuing another target or to avoid attack by enemy forces.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm unconcerned about either in a FUCKING WAR! War is not about policing. It is not about bringing the bad guys to justice. It is not about arrests and trials. It is about killing the enemy, destroying all their shit, blowing the fuck out of their stuff and in general making them beg you to stop.
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There is no fucking war, you are an idiot. Even in WAR the Military Code of Conduct applies.
 
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