No I am not, you headless troll.You know she's just bullshittin' about that, right?
Who gets into heaven
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Matt Dillon
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Oh, yes you are.
Yakuda
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I dont give a fuck because that poster is the most ignorant piece of shit on this site. As much as I disagree with all the idiot leftists on this site I have never wished any of them be violently murdered like that piece of human refuse wished on me and more than once.You know she's just bullshittin' about that, right?
Matt Dillon
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Aww, that poster isn't that bad.
They might be wrong a lot of the time but that's pretty harsh, brah.
Yakuda
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boo fucking hoo. ill shit on that poster every chance i getAww, that poster isn't that bad.
They might be wrong a lot of the time but that's pretty harsh, brah.
Matt Dillon
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Yakuda
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I have no control of you or anyone else so what Im "ok" with really isnt irrelevantHokay, you do you.
It's ok if I do me, right?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Sybil is a schizo so, yes, agreed.
OTOH, @gmark77 is a retard. Equally hopeless but in a different direction. Whereas Sybil's fake forum indicates intelligence simply to put it together, he's crazier than a bedbug. Perry is just a retarded dumbass. Sad.
Impartial, unmediated, and ontological truth cannot be apprehend by the human mind, with the possible exception of mathematics.
Practically everything we know is a belief. This distinction is whether it's justified belief based on either evidence, logic, or intuition, or whether it's blind faith.
There are really only three explanations for the existence of the universe:
1) The universe is infinitely old, and does not require creation (this idea can be dismissed on the basis of logic and science).
2) Matter and energy came into existence from nothing, because of inanimate physical causes (this idea is incoherent).
3) Something outside the universe is responsible for it's origination and it's lawful mathematical organization.
I've always thought internet message boards attract weirdos, schizos, psychos the way pig shit attracts flies!Sybil is a schizo so, yes, agreed.
OTOH, @gmark77 is a retard. Equally hopeless but in a different direction. Whereas Sybil's fake forum indicates intelligence simply to put it together, he's crazier than a bedbug. Perry is just a retarded dumbass. Sad.
^^ Incoherent. At the time Proverbs was written, the Israelites had no distinct concept of heaven, a spiritual afterlife, or resurrectionWell, I guarantee kenniving douchebags don't. Who does that cut out?
"An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,"
Bible Gateway passage: Proverbs 6 - King James Version
My son, if thou be surety for thy friend, if thou hast stricken thy hand with a stranger, Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth. Do this now, my son, and deliver thyself, when thou art come into the hand of thy friend; go, humble thyself, and...www.biblegateway.com
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
LOL Yes, there's that element. The nutjobs standing on streetcorners screaming about "the Deep State" or "the End is near" moved to the Internet where they are safe from being pelted with rotten tomatoes and rocks.
It's also a safe haven for racists, perverts and other people who would be fired or arrested if they were to say the same shit IRL that they spew on JPP. This makes JPP a great sociological lab....or a zoo. LOL
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Actually, this idea makes the most sense to me. Just as God is "infinitely old", so too is the universe that he has always existed inside of. Otherwise, where is God existing, exactly? How does one exist outside of everywhere?
I have a very hard time believing that 'nothing' created 'something'.
How does something exist outside of everywhere?
If the universe was infinitely old we would have had to traverse an infinite amount of time to arrive at today. That is logically incoherent because in an infinitely old universe today would never have gotten here.
Me too.
The immaterial does not require space, time, or matter. In other words, the immaterial isn't limited to the spatial and temporal dimensions of this universe.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Maybe only the observable portion of the universe is finite (while some or all non-observable portions are infinite)?
Right.
What if this universe includes dimensions that aren't spatial and/or temporal?
Into the Night
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Into the Night
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Why? You are not the Universe.
It doesn't need to. It's already here.
Yes it is. There is no other universe, by definition.
Into the Night
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Several problems with tthis:
1) Given the assumption that Theory of the Continuum (that the Universe has always been here and always will be) is True, the Universe isn't 'temporal' or temporary in any way.
2) What we can observe is not only finite, is it subject to the problems of phenomenology. This is why observation or data it produces is NOT a proof. Even something as simple as a sunrise can (and has!) many different explanations depending on the model of what we consider 'the Truth' to be. In other words, what one considers 'real' is to that individual The Truth. What is 'real' is as unique to each of us as a fingerprint. In other words, there is no 'absolute real'. 'Real' is quite literally what we individually declare for ourselves...each and every one of us. Therefore, to each and every one of us, what we each consider 'real' IS the 'Truth'.
3) Since what we observe is necessarily finite in a Universe with no known boundary, what we observe is so minuscule as to be irrelevant to the Universe itself. Therefore, all of our laws of physics and other sciences can only be applied with confidence to what we can see, and what we see if necessarily infinitesimally small. Every theory of science must be falsifiable. That test must be objective, practical to conduct, and available. We cannot conduct any test of any theory of science outside what we can observe. Therefore, science itself is a set of theories describing an infinitesimally small place.
4) Science does not explain everything, and never will. It makes use of models when describing theories. Those models are necessarily our own invention. It is part of the theory itself. When transcribing the theory into mathematical form (to give it the power of prediction), the model remains, with the elements of the equation referring to that model.
For example, while the 1st law of thermodynamics has so far held True where we can observe it in action, we cannot really know if it holds true through the entire unobserved Universe. We assume it does hold True nevertheless (except for those who choose to ignore it, like the Church of Global Warming does!).
Dimensions in an infinite Universe is itself meaningless, including the 'dimension' of time. A dimension ONLY has meaning when you can declare a reference point, or a zero, on your scale to measure from. Likewise, the units you decide to use are your choice. There is no 'absolute unit' or 'absolute dimension'.
Into the Night
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Don't know who you are, Hugo?
Into the Night
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Once you learn English, Hugo. You should probably learn to read. If nothing else, Richard Dawkins has written a lot of material significant to the conversation here.