Are you the type of person who would execute wounded survivors of a missile strike?

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed with Schmitt.

FWIW, the "I was just following orders" excuse doesn't work in modern international and US law. This goes from every person actively involved from the person who pushed the button all the way up the chain of command.

While Admiral Bradley is clearly on the hook for this, the missile operator may not be if they were unaware that there were survivors clinging to the target. If Secretary of War Crimes, Whiskey Pete, gave a "Kill'em All" order, he's on the hook too. If Trump told Whiskey Pete to "Kill'em All", then he, too, is on the hook. Due to SCOTUS, Trump may be absolved of US prosecution, but not from the ICC. As President, he might be protected by diplomatic immunity, but once he leaves office, he might not ever be able to leave the country without risk of arrest and prosecution as a war criminal.

I'm not a lawyer, but as many have pointed out, all military personnel are indoctrinated on the laws of war and lawful vs. unlawful orders. Junior personnel often need to be reminded of those laws since young people are easier to manipulate when it comes to following the rules vs. "this is how we do it in the real world, kid".
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As Zenmode noted, the White House press Secretary simply couldn't answer the question about what legal authority there is to kill the survivors of a missile strike.
 
Cypress said:
My theory is TrumpCo. doesn't want any survivors who might testify it was a pleasure craft, not a drug boat.
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Exactly. The timeline is important. The double-tap strike occurred in early September. An attack on a submersible in October(?) left two survivors who were repatriated to their home countries. This is odd, but may have been the result of realizing Trump, Whiskey Pete and/or ADM Bradley had committed a war crime the previous month.

What's odd is that a submersible is clearly a threat. A surface craft may not be. Trump repatriates survivors from a submersible, a common drug boat, yet murdered two survivors from a surface craft. This odd behavior can be explained if he realized that the September strike was a war crime and was trying to cover his ass.

October 18, 2025

2 survivors of suspected drug vessel will be sent to home countries, Trump says​

The two survivors of an American military strike on a suspected drug-carrying vessel in the Caribbean will be sent to Ecuador and Colombia, their home countries, President Donald Trump said Saturday.

The military rescued the pair after striking a submersible vessel Thursday, in what was at least the sixth such attack since early September.
 
Cypress said:
“I can’t imagine anyone, no matter what the circumstance, believing it is appropriate to kill people who are clinging to a boat in the water,” said Michael Schmitt, a former Air Force lawyer and professor emeritus at the U.S. Naval War College. “That is clearly unlawful.”

It doesn’t matter whether the U.S. is in “armed conflict” with drug cartels as the Trump administration asserts. Such a fatal attack would have violated peacetime laws and those governing armed conflict, the experts say.


www.pbs.org

What the law says about killing survivors of a boat strike, according to experts

Leveling a second strike on the survivors of an initial attack on an alleged drug boat would have been a crime, legal experts say.
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Shark bites are painful.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Exactly. The timeline is important. The double-tap strike occurred in early September. An attack on a submersible in October(?) left two survivors who were repatriated to their home countries. This is odd, but may have been the result of realizing Trump, Whiskey Pete and/or ADM Bradley had committed a war crime the previous month.

What's odd is that a submersible is clearly a threat. A surface craft may not be. Trump repatriates survivors from a submersible, a common drug boat, yet murdered two survivors from a surface craft. This odd behavior can be explained if he realized that the September strike was a war crime and was trying to cover his ass.

October 18, 2025

2 survivors of suspected drug vessel will be sent to home countries, Trump says​

The two survivors of an American military strike on a suspected drug-carrying vessel in the Caribbean will be sent to Ecuador and Colombia, their home countries, President Donald Trump said Saturday.

The military rescued the pair after striking a submersible vessel Thursday, in what was at least the sixth such attack since early September.
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That is strange that they allowed survivors from a submersible
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Very strange. IMO, they realized they fucked up in September and tried to make amends in October.

Weirder is that they didn't simply arrest, interrogate and take to court the submersible survivors. Clearly they didn't want witnesses brought the US.
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I was wondering that too. Why not pick up the survivors, who probably are a source of good Intel if they are drug runners.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed with Schmitt.

FWIW, the "I was just following orders" excuse doesn't work in modern international and US law. This goes from every person actively involved from the person who pushed the button all the way up the chain of command.

While Admiral Bradley is clearly on the hook for this, the missile operator may not be if they were unaware that there were survivors clinging to the target. If Secretary of War Crimes, Whiskey Pete, gave a "Kill'em All" order, he's on the hook too. If Trump told Whiskey Pete to "Kill'em All", then he, too, is on the hook. Due to SCOTUS, Trump may be absolved of US prosecution, but not from the ICC. As President, he might be protected by diplomatic immunity, but once he leaves office, he might not ever be able to leave the country without risk of arrest and prosecution as a war criminal.

I'm not a lawyer, but as many have pointed out, all military personnel are indoctrinated on the laws of war and lawful vs. unlawful orders. Junior personnel often need to be reminded of those laws since young people are easier to manipulate when it comes to following the rules vs. "this is how we do it in the real world, kid".
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I think it was Miller and not Trump. Miller wants every brown person on the planet dead.
 
Phantasmal said:
I think it was Miller and not Trump. Miller wants every brown person on the planet dead.
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No doubt you're right about Miller, but that doesn't make the Dementia Don a puppet of evil people like Miller. Trump is the President and he's still responsible no matter what he or SCOTUS says. Most Americans know this too which is why the tide is turning on the MAGAt cracker retards.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No doubt you're right about Miller, but that doesn't make the Dementia Don a puppet of evil people like Miller. Trump is the President and he's still responsible no matter what he or SCOTUS says. Most Americans know this too which is why the tide is turning on the MAGAt cracker retards.
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He will never face the consequences of his actions, but I hope his underlings realize they will, but it’s most likely he will pardon them all. It’s why they feel free to commit the crimes they are committing.
 
Phantasmal said:
He will never face the consequences of his actions, but I hope his underlings realize they will, but it’s most likely he will pardon them all. It’s why they feel free to commit the crimes they are committing.
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Agreed on all points. Still, if convicted by the ICC for a war crime, those pardoned may only be free in the US and risk arrest and trial if they ever travel outside our borders.

The Admiral knew better and should pay the price for his actions. This is why Presidents who go general-shopping can set a dangerous precedent.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on all points. Still, if convicted by the ICC for a war crime, those pardoned may only be free in the US and risk arrest and trial if they ever travel outside our borders.

The Admiral knew better and should pay the price for his actions. This is why Presidents who go general-shopping can set a dangerous precedent.
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Agreed
 
Nordberg said:
Of course not. You believe Fox and far right gnus. You're being educated by the Trumpys.
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MAGAt cracker retards can't be educated. They simply open their mouths and take whatever their Orange Jesus shits puts into it.

Earl is a traitor, but probably has some form of brain-damage so I doubt he'll ever be tried for his treason much less hung for it.
OTOH, he might have an "accident" in the home. A fall, food poisoning, drug overdose, etc.
 
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