What does this painting mean to you?

IBDaMann said:
I answered your question, and you were ashamed, so you tried desperately to save face, but you failed and now you continue to try to save face after you have already tipped your king. One day you'll learn that when you tip your king, it's over. You can't save face. You lose.
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:rofl2:

You truly are delusional.

BTW I didn't ask any question.
 
FastLane said:
I understand works and grace. You follow God's Commandments because you love God more than you love Man. No one makes it into Heaven by their own works we make into heaven by Christ's work. But does that mean we can do anything we want and just depend on grace alone? God forbid

2Jo 1:6
And this is love, that we walk after His commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
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Rom 6:15

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
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Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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Rom 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Again these saints have the right to the tree of life because they have grace and the do His Commandments because the LOVE God. Rev 22:14


Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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This kind of religious nutbaggery and theological nitpicking is what turns a lot of people off to religion.
 
Damocles said:
The Sabbath is a command of the Old Covenant, one of the "cleansing" commandments. Christ fulfilled the law, therefore you are saved by Grace and not by Action. Christ covered this in many ways, one of them were when he stated that it is what comes out of the mouth of man that defiles him and not what goes into their mouth (Mark 7:14–23).

Each of the commandments, except the Sabbath, are reiterated in the New Testament and apply to the Christians. Here is a list of where to find them, how it is restated:
CommandmentNew Testament passage that reaffirms it for Christians
1. No other godsActs 14:15; 1 Cor 8:6; 1 Thess 1:9; 1 John 5:21 – “turn from idols to serve the living God”
2. No idols / imagesActs 15:20, 29 (Jerusalem Council decision for Gentile Christians); 1 Cor 10:14; 1 John 5:21
3. Do not take God’s name in vainJames 5:12 – “Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear… Let your ‘Yes’ be yes…” (direct echo of the commandment)
5. Honor father and motherEphesians 6:1–3 – “Children, obey your parents in the Lord… ‘Honor your father and mother’ (this is the first commandment with a promise)…” Paul quotes Exodus 20:12 directly and applies it to Gentile Christians in Ephesus.
6. You shall not murderRomans 13:9; Galatians 5:21; James 2:11; 1 Peter 4:15; Revelation 21:8
7. You shall not commit adulteryRomans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Hebrews 13:4; James 2:11
8. You shall not stealRomans 13:9; Ephesians 4:28; 1 Corinthians 6:10
9. You shall not bear false witnessRomans 13:9; Ephesians 4:25; Colossians 3:9
10. You shall not covetRomans 7:7 (Paul: “I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet’”); Romans 13:9; Ephesians 5:3

The one you find missing is the Sabbath, that one was counted as fulfilled. Christ stated he came to fulfill the law, not to replace it... what became the "new covenant"...

So, The Sabbath Day commandment is like eating Kosher (Christ talks about how it is what comes out of your mouth, meaning what you say or think, that defiles you, not what you put into your mouth) and is fulfilled in what becomes the New Covenant.

So when Christians say “Jesus fulfilled the Law, He did not abolish it,” they mean:
  • The moral demands of the Law (including nine of the Ten Commandments) are still in force and are now obeyed out of love and by the power of the Holy Spirit, not to earn salvation.
  • The ceremonial and civil parts (including the literal seventh-day Sabbath regulation) are fulfilled in Christ and no longer bind Christians in the same way.
That is why the New Testament can quote the Ten Commandments as still authoritative for believers, yet also say we are “not under law but under grace” (Romans 6:14–15) and that the Sabbath regulation was “only a shadow of what was to come; the reality is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17).

And Christ rising on the 1st Day of the week became "the lord's day" (referenced in Revelations 1:10, at least in Greek it was) as well as coming back among the Apostles on the 1st day, began a new day of worship, the Christians began meeting on Sunday.

I still maintain my belief that the Sabbath Day was never marked by Adam and they didn't magically know which day is the actual 7th... it was followed by the remembrance and that they took their "7th day" off.

However, Christians began meeting on Sundays when Jesus was still among the faithful before he was "taken up"... I think you need to read that book of yours a bit better.
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So you think Adam ignored what God told him to do. Well we know he ignored God when he ate from the Tree and got kicked out of Eden. But as I showed you Man was redirected to the 7th day Sabbath in the Sinai and the Jews have followed it since that time. Then when have Christ time stamping the 7th day Sabbath and we have Jews all over the world keeping the same day.

Damo here are a couple of thought questions for you . No response required.

Why do we have 7 days in a week? Why not 6 or 8 or 10? 10 seems like a logical number since we have ten digits on our hands and our numerical system is based on 10. And worldwide our week is 7 days. Why 7? Seven is a prime number and we can't even divide 7 into 365 evenly.. If God gave us the 7th day it seems likely he would protect it so Man could observe it. Here are the names for the seventh day of the week worldwide.

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Hungarian: Szombat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota
 
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FastLane said:
So you think Adam ignored what God told him to do. Well we know he ignored God when he ate from the Tree and got kicked out of Eden. But as I showed you Man was redirected to the 7th day Sabbath in the Sinai and the Jews have followed it since that time. Then when have Christ time stamping the 7th day Sabbath and we have Jews all over the world keeping the same day.

Damo here are a couple of thought questions for you . No response required.

Why do we have 7 days in a week? Why not 6 or 8 or 10? 10 seems like a logical number since we have ten digits on our hands and our numerical system is based on 10. And worldwide our week is 7 days. Why 7? Seven is a prime number and we can't even divide 7 into 365 evenly.. If God gave us the 7th day it seems likely he would protect it so Man could observe it. Here are the names for the seventh day of the week worldwide.

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Hungarian: Szombat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota
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Does not matter, the day of the week is not salient to the discussion. Even if it is a form of the word "Sabbath" it does not change that Sabbath was part of the old covenant, and that Christians began meeting on Sundays when Christ was still among them before he was "taken up". It doesn't change that 'The Lord's Day" as Sunday is referenced in the Bible, and that Christ taught the "New Covenant"...

You need to talk to your pastor for a better understanding. I suggest you specifically ask about the difference between the Old Covenant where your ticket to the afterlife was earned through following rituals, and the New Covenant where you are saved by Grace. I suspect that you will find out that this Buddhist has a better understanding of your own religion than you do. Even though I do not believe in it.
 
Damocles said:
Does not matter, the day of the week is not salient to the discussion. Even if it is a form of the word "Sabbath" it does not change that Sabbath was part of the old covenant, and that Christians began meeting on Sundays when Christ was still among them before he was "taken up". It doesn't change that 'The Lord's Day" as Sunday is referenced in the Bible, and that Christ taught the "New Covenant"...

You need to talk to your pastor for a better understanding. I suggest you specifically ask about the difference between the Old Covenant where your ticket to the afterlife was earned through following rituals, and the New Covenant where you are saved by Grace. I suspect that you will find out that this Buddhist has a better understanding of your own religion than you do. Even though I do not believe in it.
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The Moral Law was given from the beginning it is immutable. I think you have an incomplete understanding of the Bible. For example you confidently said the 1st day of the week was the Lord's day even though there is ZERO Biblical support for that. If you will notice I didn't resort to cut and paste like you did to explain my position. I suspect you think that because the vast majority of Christian observe the 1st day of the week they all can't be wrong. Being in the majority does not mean you are right.
Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

2Jo 1:6
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
 
Damocles said:
Does not matter, the day of the week is not salient to the discussion. Even if it is a form of the word "Sabbath" it does not change that Sabbath was part of the old covenant, and that Christians began meeting on Sundays when Christ was still among them before he was "taken up". It doesn't change that 'The Lord's Day" as Sunday is referenced in the Bible, and that Christ taught the "New Covenant"...

You need to talk to your pastor for a better understanding. I suggest you specifically ask about the difference between the Old Covenant where your ticket to the afterlife was earned through following rituals, and the New Covenant where you are saved by Grace. I suspect that you will find out that this Buddhist has a better understanding of your own religion than you do. Even though I do not believe in it.
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Where is it referenced in the Bible?
 
Damocles said:
Go back, we're in your circular logic loop again. I have posted the verses twice. Seriously. Talk to your pastor, you are not good at this.
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OK call me dense. Post it AGAIN .

Damo I have read EVERY verse in the Bible that references the 1st day of the week (there aren't that many) and in none of them is it called the Lord's day.
 
christiefan915 said:
Yet for some reason the Catholic church is the focus of your exegesis. And to what end? If you're happy in your denomination, none of the other denominations' practices should matter to you.
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The reason that I focus on Catholicism is THEY are the ones who changed God's Law and almost all Christians eventually followed them. It matters to me because it will eventually negatively impact people's salvation. I'm hopping people will ponder the questions that I raise.
 
OK here you go Damo which of these days references the 1st day of the week as the Lord's day?

Mat 28:1
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
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Mar 16:2
And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
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Mar 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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Luk 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
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Jhn 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
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Jhn 20:19
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
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Act 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
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1Co 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
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