President Trump “Any document signed by sleepy Joe Biden with the autopen, which was approximately 92% of them, is hereby terminated”

Earl said:
Horse mierfa.

Stone is right.

"Lastly,....with over a decade of failure, a decade of being proven WRONG at just about every turn,....you would think they would be ashamed and too embarrassed to keep flapping their ignorant mouths. Even the dumbest of the dumb finally learn when to shut up. But not these people. They continue to prove their stupidity DAILY. These guys are too stupid to even know they SHOULD BE embarrassed of themselves by now. :ROFLMAO:"

The orders that were improperly signed need to be voided.

You need to up your game, Marty.
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Trumpers aren't the brightest lights but even they should know the legality of Biden's orders isn't for Trump to determine. Nor is it matter of
orders that were ineffectively executed to be "voided". They had no legal validity to begin with. What is required is an authoritative order declaring them invalid, i.e., a court order. But I guess this isn't easy for a Trumper to mentally process. Work on it.
 
Earl said:
Horse mierfa.

Stone is right.

"Lastly,....with over a decade of failure, a decade of being proven WRONG at just about every turn,....you would think they would be ashamed and too embarrassed to keep flapping their ignorant mouths. Even the dumbest of the dumb finally learn when to shut up. But not these people. They continue to prove their stupidity DAILY. These guys are too stupid to even know they SHOULD BE embarrassed of themselves by now. :ROFLMAO:"

The orders that were improperly signed need to be voided.

You need to up your game, Marty.
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Earl, you are babbling. This will be up the Courts, and they may well just not hear them, and say "uh uh."
 
Who is at the top of your list of high-profile pardons you'd like to see reversed? Fauci sits near the top of my null-and-void list. That smug gnome got a blanket preemptive pardon for every lie, every wrecked business, every masked-up kid he tormented. Rip it up, then send the raid teams at 4 a.m. - battering ram, rifles drawn, dogs barking, the full Democrat treatment he cheered on for others. Make him sell the vacation home to cover legal bills the way Trump supporters had to. Why? What laws did he break? Who cares, we'll figure that out after the show, it's what we learned from the Biden DOJ.

Who would you like to see get the Biden DOJ treatment?
 
martin said:
How far is nowhere?
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You think the leftists will just let them "cancel" these things or do you think they'll take it to court? I'm betting even you know they'd take that to court and are just saying stupid things because you are simple. Simple people with simple minds and ideas should not speak out and tell us how simple they really are.

Now, let the adults speak.

I am interested in seeing where this goes from here.
 
Damocles said:
You think the leftists will just let them "cancel" these things or do you think they'll take it to court? I'm betting even you know they'd take that to court and are just saying stupid things because you are simple. Simple people with simple minds and ideas should not speak out and tell us how simple they really are.

Now, let the adults speak.
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I'll speak again in that case. There is nothing to cancel. If Biden's pardons are ineffective (which is highly unlikely) it is only because they were
done in a way not in compliance with the law. Trump's social media announcement is mere noise. The test of the pardons will come when one is challenged in court if it ever is.
 
martin said:
Trumpers aren't the brightest lights but even they should know the legality of Biden's orders isn't for Trump to determine. Nor is it matter of
orders that were ineffectively executed to be "voided". They had no legal validity to begin with. What is required is an authoritative order declaring them invalid, i.e., a court order. But I guess this isn't easy for a Trumper to mentally process. Work on it.
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Elon Musk is a Trumper, Marty.

Is he a bright light?

Marty, you are slipping and floundering.

You might want to consider a children’s forum.

Poor Marty.
 
Earl said:
Marty, you need to up your game.

“Nowhere" is a figurative concept.

You are assigning a figurative concept to a literal concept.

Please try to do better in the future.
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Unfortunate your mind is so limited, Earl. Do more reading in serious books; see if that helps. Putting you back on "ignore".
 
martin said:
Unfortunate your mind is so limited, Earl. Do more reading in serious books; see if that helps. Putting you back on "ignore".
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That was ugly and small-minded, Marty.

Here, allow me to help you with your lack of understanding of EO’s.

  • Presidential Prerogative: A sitting President can modify or revoke executive orders issued by themselves or their predecessors by issuing a new order to that effect. This often happens with policy shifts between administrations.
Do you understand now, Marty?


The phrase "Unfortunate your mind is so limited" is not grammatically correct; it is missing the pronoun "that" or "it," making the correct version: "Unfortunate that your mind is so limited" or "Unfortunate it is that your mind is so limited". While a simpler way to express the same sentiment is, "It's unfortunate your mind is so limited," this is still a more informal phrasing.

Please do better with your atrocious grammar, Marty.
 
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martin said:
I'll speak again in that case. There is nothing to cancel. If Biden's pardons are ineffective (which is highly unlikely) it is only because they were
done in a way not in compliance with the law. Trump's social media announcement is mere noise. The test of the pardons will come when one is challenged in court if it ever is.
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What exactly do you think was done out of compliance with the law? Do you think Trump will take the next steps and return someone to death row? Or do you think Trump regularly makes noise and does nothing controversial?
 
Here, Marty, read carefully:

Are presidential pardons executive orders?


“A pardon is an executive order granting clemency for a conviction. It may be granted "at any time" after the commission of the crime. As per Justice Department regulations, convicted persons may only apply five or more years after their sentence has been completed…”

So, Marty, the pardons (EO’s) granted by the vegetable can be revoked by simply issuing another EO reversing the pardons (EO’s).

See how easy that was, Marty?

Evan a person with “a limited mind” should be able to follow it.
 
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Earl said:
Here, Marty, read carefully:

Are presidential pardons executive orders?


“A pardon is an executive order granting clemency for a conviction. It may be granted "at any time" after the commission of the crime. As per Justice Department regulations, convicted persons may only apply five or more years after their sentence has been completed…”

So, Marty, the pardons (EO’s) granted by the vegetable can be revoked by simply issuing another EO reversing the pardons (EO’s).

See how easy that was, Marty?

Evan a person with “a limited mind” should be able to follow it.
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I don't think that is quite true. No pardon reversals have ever happened, and you know Dems would have demanded Carter reverse Ford's pardon of Nixon if they had that chance.

Anyway, a pardon is specifically a power granted in the constitution and is irrevocable after it is accepted, and sometimes, if it is an unconditional pardon, it is immediate upon signature even if they do not accept it. This is a power given to the executive in the constitution and courts have ruled it a deed, irrevocable upon the time it is executed (either with an acceptance or with a signature on an unconditional pardon).

Key historical precedents:

  • Ex parte Garland (1866): The Supreme Court described a pardon as “a deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential, and delivery is not complete without acceptance… When the pardon is full, it releases the punishment and blots out of existence the guilt… it makes the offender a new man.”
  • Burdick v. United States (1915): Reaffirmed that a pardon carries an “imputation of guilt” and that acceptance is required, but once accepted it is irrevocable.
  • Multiple Attorneys General (e.g., 1833, 1869, 1890, 1926) have issued formal opinions stating that one president cannot revoke the pardon of a predecessor.

Executive orders are directives to the executive branch about how to administer the law. They can be revoked or modified by later presidents because they are ongoing administrative acts. A pardon, by contrast, is a one-time, completed constitutional act that extinguishes criminal liability for a specific individual. Once it is signed and delivered (or publicly announced and not rejected), the judicial branch treats the underlying conviction or potential prosecution as void. There is no remaining administrative mechanism for a later president to “undo” it.

I believe it would be double jeopardy to try to reincarcerate someone for a crime for which they have been pardoned.
 
Damocles said:
I don't think that is quite true. No pardon reversals have ever happened, and you know Dems would have demanded Carter reverse Ford's pardon of Nixon if they had that chance.

Anyway, a pardon is specifically a power granted in the constitution and is irrevocable after it is accepted, and sometimes, if it is an unconditional pardon, it is immediate upon signature even if they do not accept it. This is a power given to the executive in the constitution and courts have ruled it a deed, irrevocable upon the time it is executed (either with an acceptance or with a signature on an unconditional pardon).

Key historical precedents:

  • Ex parte Garland (1866): The Supreme Court described a pardon as “a deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential, and delivery is not complete without acceptance… When the pardon is full, it releases the punishment and blots out of existence the guilt… it makes the offender a new man.”
  • Burdick v. United States (1915): Reaffirmed that a pardon carries an “imputation of guilt” and that acceptance is required, but once accepted it is irrevocable.
  • Multiple Attorneys General (e.g., 1833, 1869, 1890, 1926) have issued formal opinions stating that one president cannot revoke the pardon of a predecessor.

Executive orders are directives to the executive branch about how to administer the law. They can be revoked or modified by later presidents because they are ongoing administrative acts. A pardon, by contrast, is a one-time, completed constitutional act that extinguishes criminal liability for a specific individual. Once it is signed and delivered (or publicly announced and not rejected), the judicial branch treats the underlying conviction or potential prosecution as void. There is no remaining administrative mechanism for a later president to “undo” it.

I believe it would be double jeopardy to try to reincarcerate someone for a crime for which they have been pardoned.
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Double jeopardy involves a retrial. There would be no retrial.

‘The most basic understanding of double jeopardy is that it refers to prosecuting a person more than once for the same offense.’

I understand the ambiguity of a removal of a pardon (an EO) by a president but this is a true statement…”A pardon is an executive order granting clemency for a conviction.”

EO’s can be revoked by another EO doing so.

It would be an interesting case in the S.C, if approached in this manner.
 
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Damocles said:
What exactly do you think was done out of compliance with the law? Do you think Trump will take the next steps and return someone to death row? Or do you think Trump regularly makes noise and does nothing controversial?
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What I'm saying is: if the pardons are valid, Trump lacks the power to cancel them. If the pardons are invalid because they were executed not in compliance with the law, as Trump claims, then there is nothing for him to "cancel"; the pardons fail on their own, which only a court, not Trump, can determine.
 

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The commutations are not pardons.


Commutation. Unlike a pardon, a commutation does not mean that there is forgiveness for the underlying offense.


It appears that.since the commutations are not pardons, there is no ambiguity as to their revocations.
 
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Damocles said:
I'm interested to see where it goes from here.
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Yes, which will be the first pardon tested in the courts? Can't wait. At this point, we can't lose anything, it's either pardons get thrown out or they stand as they currently do. Obviously, I think a pardon of all things needs to be signed by the president himself.
 
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