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Read my post 32 and stick to the Atlantic and Bloomberg if you like more right leaning sources. Socialism, like Capitalism is not a single thing and has a wide scope.
Trump the socialist...or nationalist.
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Now that is the socialism we should be worried about.
Those idiot tRumplings will call it "brilliant" and applaud vigorously like the boobleheads they are.
National Socialism...or Nazism.
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You can pretend all you want that this is just business as usual but what Trump and his admin are doing are far more reflective of how Russia and CHina see corporations.
If you see the below and think this is how America should operate and not just for Trump but by future POTUS and any and all top government officials when they are awarding big contracts or can force control stakes, then you belong in China or Russia...
$10 Billion and Counting: Trump Administration Snaps Up Stakes in Private Firms
The Trump administration is spending billions of dollars on deals with ownership stakes in companies. The unusual practice shows no sign of slowing.Trump buys at least $82 million in bonds since late August, disclosures show
- Trump's new bond investments span several industries
- He acquired Intel bonds after government acquired a stake
U.S. President Donald Trump bought at least $82 million in corporate and municipal bonds from late August to early October including new investments in sectors benefiting from his policies, financial disclosures made public on Saturday showed.....
Trump buys millions in Boeing bonds while awarding it contracts
He also bought upwards of $5 million in Intel bonds after announcing the US government was buying a 10% stake in the company
You do not understand what government ownership means.
What!? They’re both left leaning, especially The Atlantic.
At least you agree with the balanced site I cited.
The framing could inadvertently support either extreme position - those wanting to label any government involvement as "socialism" or those wanting to normalize extensive state control as merely "capitalism" - without acknowledging the sophisticated model that blends elements of both systems [2].
You don’t understand that virtually all governments have some ownership in private companies.
I guess that makes the entire world communist in your view.
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I would never disagree broad concepts like Democracy, Communism, Socialism, etc can exists across a broad spectrum.What!? They’re both left leaning, especially The Atlantic.
At least you agree with the balanced site I cited.
The framing could inadvertently support either extreme position - those wanting to label any government involvement as "socialism" or those wanting to normalize extensive state control as merely "capitalism" - without acknowledging the sophisticated model that blends elements of both systems [2].
If i was trying to be exactly accurate I would say Trump is moving America solidly into bucket 3 below currently with it tipping into bucket 4, as the personal enrichment of himself and his 'favored' oligarchs follows. I think bucket 4 is where America will fully be given enough time and control by Trump.
Formal government/system types
1. State Capitalism
- The government exerts strong control or ownership influence over major corporations, but markets and private property still exist.
- The state often backs national champions, regulates competition, and steers industry.
- Can be pragmatic (economic nationalism) without a fixed ideological doctrine.
2. Corporatism (Political Corporatism, not “corporate rule”)
- The state integrates corporations and labour into government-supervised economic decision-making.
- Government mediates and controls industries through official partnership structures, often directing them.
- Commonly associated with:
- Benito Mussolini era Italy, but also exists in non-fascist countries.
- Key trait: state coordination of companies into the policy apparatus, not necessarily corruption.
3. Authoritarian Capitalism
- The government controls corporate behaviour, suppresses rivals, and elevates favoured business elites while keeping private industry nominally intact.
- Leaders tend to be oligarchic figures aligned with state power.
4. Kleptocracy
- The state seizes or directs corporate resources for personal enrichment, installing loyal elites.
- Most focused on corruption and personal wealth extraction, not ideology.
- Falls under the broader umbrella of authoritarian systems.
5. Fascism / Fascist-derived systems (one subtype of corporatist authoritarianism)
- The government directs corporations, promotes nationalist economic goals, and installs loyal oligarchs.
- Does not require traditional socialist economics (even though Fascist Italy controlled industry).
- Often misleadingly confused with socialism because of state control, but fascism is:
- ultra-nationalist
- anti-Marxist
- hierarchical
- focused on state supremacy, not worker ownership
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Yes because there is nothing "Factual" about this...
Or about Trump and those Oligarchs now enriching themselves via crony capitalism and buying stock and debt in companies they are doing government deals with.
If it is not on Factually, it does not exist according to you.
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And you do not understand what Factually is telling you.
It is NOT saying the US under Trump fits any one specific bucket. All factually is doing is giving their definition of a bucket.
Factually, in NO WAY, disputes what i post with my categories and where i say i put Trump in the landscape.
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With Crazy Trump we've got the National Socialist (Nazi) party of the twenty first century
I certainly understand that.
Yet they specifically contrast state capitalism with socialism.
You contradict Factually’s assertion.
Multiple sources frame this development within the context of Trump's approach to state capitalism, comparing it to China's model where the government plays an active role in business operations [6] [7].
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Are you all thereGodwin’s Law violation.
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No they did not.I certainly understand that.
Yet they specifically contrast state capitalism with socialism.
You contradict Factually’s assertion.
Multiple sources frame this development within the context of Trump's approach to state capitalism, comparing it to China's model where the government plays an active role in business operations [6] [7].
Re read your post #50 and look what you replied to specifically (my post 49) . In post 49 I classified Trump as being in Bucket 3 and moving towards 5, when you replied that Factually disagreed with that.
Trump is a populist, not "nationalist" in the way you mean, he is also not conservative, socialist, or fascistic. The government is not directing my company to make bullets instead of forums, like fascism would, it is not telling me that I must say anything, or even be pro American as a Nationalist would... Nobody has been hurt or arrested for saying anti American stuff on this site, or any others that I have seen. That leftist copy of Trump's "truth social" that folks are calling bluesky has not been raided as it would if were working against a communistic or Venezuelan style "socialism"...
Trump is a populist, he does what all populists have done for ages and gets people on board through constant ad campaigns.
Trump is a populist, he does what all populists have done for ages and gets people on board through constant ad campaigns.