The War in Ukraine
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I think we can agree that Trump has a penchant for over estimating his abilities. That being said, I think it's a good thing that he's at least putting -some- effort into ending the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East.
That the Imperial Empire is suggesting a Rump of Ukraine military of 600.000 when the Russians have said that they want it at 85,000 is very important....one reason is that it indicates the Berletic is right that this is an attempt by the Empire for Minsk 3.0....they think they can run this scam on the Russians yet again.
Many in my grapevine talk about how ignorance and deep hate of Russians has so many in the West simply assuming that the Russians cant learn, and cant stand up to the abuse.
Many in my grapevine talk about how ignorance and deep hate of Russians has so many in the West simply assuming that the Russians cant learn, and cant stand up to the abuse.
I have zero doubt that after a peace deal is signed....it will be eventually.....it has to happen.......that the Empire will use Ukraine extensively for terrorism ops against Russia....which will include one of the Empires already standing terrorism outfits ISIS-K.
Alexander of the Duran is confident that there was a previous version of the so call Trump peace plan that for instance had the Rump of Ukraines military capped much closer to the 85K the Russians want, and that there will be no foreign troops in Ukraine which was changed to no NATO troops in Ukraine which means nothing, as we saw from 2014 as the Ukraine military was built into a strong defacto NATO military with NATO training gear and money.
He says that the WarPigs went trough it with a red pencil.
He says that the WarPigs went trough it with a red pencil.
The Empire is claiming that discussions have been going on with the Russians behind the scenes, that they have largely agreed to the TPP.....the Russians say fuck that noise.....this is a place to begin talks.....that the gap between the TPP and what the Russians have been demanding for a year and a half must be bridged.
Also Trump wants this done by Christmas...the Russians say that negotiations would surely go will into next year.
Also Trump wants this done by Christmas...the Russians say that negotiations would surely go will into next year.
I certainly expect that the WarPigs will make another go with the red pencil......claiming that the Ukrainians demand it.
The Russians are at "Fuck it......whenever you are ready to negotiate....till then we will keep kicking your ass on the battlefield.".
The Russians are at "Fuck it......whenever you are ready to negotiate....till then we will keep kicking your ass on the battlefield.".
Stanislav Krapivnik says that NATO generally hit the oil storage so that they can get flashy video for their narrative war mission, but that they tend to not do much damage....in fact with drones it is not possible to do much damage because of the auto shutoffs....they are generally back in business in a day or so.
Stanislav Krapivnik also says that in recent years the Russian oil industry has been running at something like 35% spare capacity...partly for nation security concerns such as this war with NATO....they are difficult to hurt.
As with the Chinese the Russians are big believers in caution and planning.
As with the Chinese the Russians are big believers in caution and planning.
Oil and Gas is 15% of Russian government income, and there is no way the Chinese would allow the Empire to destroy that...for various reasons.
The Imperial Empire has yet again bought their own BullShit.
They have no idea what they are doing.
The Empire circles the drain.
The Imperial Empire has yet again bought their own BullShit.
They have no idea what they are doing.
The Empire circles the drain.
Effort? I read that Putin put it together and Trump put it out as his own. This is a gift to Putin.
No, this definitely wasn't done in conjunction with Russia. I think that well known blogger Larry Johnson put put it quite succinctly when he said the following:
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A full version of the alleged 28-point US drafted peace plan to bring an end to the war in Ukraine appeared on line courtesy of Ivan Katchanovski @I_Katchanovski (you can read the original post on X here). According to my friend, Pepe Escobar, this document was leaked to the Russian press by Kiril Dimitriev. This proposal is worse than I imagined. During an interview with Maria Zakharova that I hosted on Wednesday, along with Alexander Kazakov and Pepe Escobar, she stated that the Russian Foreign Ministry had not yet received an official copy of the proposal.
Once the proposed document is submitted to the Russian Foreign Ministry, I believe that Sergei Lavrov will use careful diplomatic language welcoming it as a starting point for negotiations, but there is no way in hell that Russia will agree to this in its current form.
Russia is winning on the battlefield and is confident that it will prevail, not only over Ukraine, but over NATO. The proposed document assumes that Russia is looking for a way out… It is not. The biggest problem with this document is that it assumes that Russia and Ukraine are negotiating from a position of equal strength. However, given the current collapse of the Ukrainian military, it will be Russia who will dictate the terms.
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Larry then gets into the details of all the flaws in the plan.
Still, I think there's a reason that Larry thinks that Russia will say that it's a starting point. This article from RT is one such reason:
US peace plan thwarts EU attempts to use frozen Russian assets – media
Washington’s proposal jeopardizes the timetable for new financial aid promised by Brussels to Kiev, according to a German newspaper
Quoting Larry makes you a heretic....we who are being rubbed out left and right this deeply into this dark age....No, this definitely wasn't done in conjunction with Russia. I think that well known blogger Larry Johnson put put it quite succinctly when he said the following:
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A full version of the alleged 28-point US drafted peace plan to bring an end to the war in Ukraine appeared on line courtesy of Ivan Katchanovski @I_Katchanovski (you can read the original post on X here). According to my friend, Pepe Escobar, this document was leaked to the Russian press by Kiril Dimitriev. This proposal is worse than I imagined. During an interview with Maria Zakharova that I hosted on Wednesday, along with Alexander Kazakov and Pepe Escobar, she stated that the Russian Foreign Ministry had not yet received an official copy of the proposal.
Once the proposed document is submitted to the Russian Foreign Ministry, I believe that Sergei Lavrov will use careful diplomatic language welcoming it as a starting point for negotiations, but there is no way in hell that Russia will agree to this in its current form.
Russia is winning on the battlefield and is confident that it will prevail, not only over Ukraine, but over NATO. The proposed document assumes that Russia is looking for a way out… It is not. The biggest problem with this document is that it assumes that Russia and Ukraine are negotiating from a position of equal strength. However, given the current collapse of the Ukrainian military, it will be Russia who will dictate the terms.
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Larry then gets into the details of all the flaws in the plan.
Still, I think there's a reason that Larry thinks that Russia will say that it's a starting point. This article from RT is one such reason:
US peace plan thwarts EU attempts to use frozen Russian assets – media
Washington’s proposal jeopardizes the timetable for new financial aid promised by Brussels to Kiev, according to a German newspaperwww.rt.com
U do know this right?
I'm fine with being labelled a heretic by the mainstream establishment. I think it's wise to remember that it's that same establishment that told Zelensky to walk away from a peace deal that would have ended the war in Ukraine shortly after it began. American Professor and Statesman Jeffrey Sachs goes into the details:
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When Zelensky said a few days after Russia’s invasion that Ukraine was ready for neutrality, a peace agreement was in reach. I know the details of this because I talked to key negotiators and mediators in detail and have learned much from public pronouncements of others. Shortly after the start of negotiations in March 2022, a document was exchanged between the parties that President Putin had approved, and that Lavrov had presented. This was being managed by the Turkish mediators. I flew to Ankara in the spring of 2022 to hear first-hand and in detail what happened in the mediation. The bottom-line is this: Ukraine walked away, unilaterally, from a near agreement.
vii. The End of the Ukraine War
Why did Ukraine walk away from the negotiations? Because the United States told them to and because the UK added icing to the cake by having BoJo [Boris Johnson] go to Kyiv in early April to Ukraine to make the same point. Keir Starmer turns out to be even worse, even more of a warmonger. It’s unimaginable, but it is true. Boris Johnson explained, and you can find it on the web, that what’s at stake here is nothing less than Western hegemony! Not Ukraine but Western hegemony. Michael von der Schulenberg and I met at the Vatican with a group of experts in Spring 2022, and we wrote a document explaining that nothing good can come out of continued war.<em>(*21)</em> Our group argued strenuously, but to no avail, that Ukraine should negotiate immediately, because delays will mean massive deaths, risk of nuclear escalation, and possibly an outright loss of the war.
I wouldn’t want to change one word from what we wrote then. Nothing was wrong in that document. Since the US talked Ukraine out of the negotiations, perhaps one million Ukrainians have died or been severely wounded. And American senators who are as nasty and cynical as imaginable say this is a wonderful expenditure of US money because no Americans are dying. It’s the pure proxy war. One of our senators nearby New York State, Connecticut’s Richard Blumenthal, said this out loud. Mitt Romney said this out loud. It’s the best money America can spend. No Americans are dying. It’s unreal.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Geopolitics of Peace - Speech to the European Parliament - Brave New Europe
Edited transcript of Jeffrey Sachs’ speech to the European Parliament 19 February, 2025 concernong EU, the NATO proxy war in Ukraine, and Israel’s genocide in Palestine Jeffrey D. Sachs is a University Professor and Director [...]
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For months, the Wall Street Journal has held a story detailing the personal corruption of Andrii Yermak, the second most powerful man in Ukraine. Yermak has skimmed hundreds of millions in Amercian tax dollars meant for Ukraine aid. The Journal’s editors can prove that. But they’re not. Instead they’re protecting Yermak. Why?Because Yermak is leading Ukraine’s efforts to scuttle the Trump peace plan for Eastern Europe. The owners of the Wall Street Journal don’t want peace with Russia. They want war. At the same time, the Journal’s editorial page has attacked the Trump administration for pushing a peace agreement. This is true corruption. Without informing its readers, the Murdoch family is using both sides of its newspaper to continue the war with Russia. That’s not the behavior of a news organization. It’s the hallmark of an intel agency.