A good recent clip from American Professor John Mearsheimer on the war in Ukraine...
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9g8HqyAsnE0
The War in Ukraine
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Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Fuck Putin and his war on children. Any American supporting Russia's aggression is an enemy of the Constitution and should be hunted down for it.
I suspect we may never agree on either Putin or Russia more generally, but just in case you're open to considering a different point of view:Fuck Putin and his war on children. Any American supporting Russia's aggression is an enemy of the Constitution and should be hunted down for it.
Mira Terada: NATO kills children, but Russia will put an end to it. - Donbass Insider
Mira Terada, accompanied by Sarah Bils and two children from Donbass and Syria, denounced the crimes committed by NATO and its mercenaries.
www.donbass-insider.com
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
You're free to support Russia and Putin's aggression against the West. I'm free to support the CIA taking out all enemies of the Constitution abroad.I suspect we may never agree on either Putin or Russia more generally, but just in case you're open to considering a different point of view:
Mira Terada: NATO kills children, but Russia will put an end to it. - Donbass Insider
Mira Terada, accompanied by Sarah Bils and two children from Donbass and Syria, denounced the crimes committed by NATO and its mercenaries.
I suspect we may never agree on either Putin or Russia more generally, but just in case you're open to considering a different point of view:
Mira Terada: NATO kills children, but Russia will put an end to it. - Donbass Insider
Mira Terada, accompanied by Sarah Bils and two children from Donbass and Syria, denounced the crimes committed by NATO and its mercenaries.
You're free to support Russia and Putin's aggression against the West. I'm free to support the CIA taking out all enemies of the Constitution abroad.
The West, headed by the U.S., could have easily avoided this war. Instead, it headed straight for it. American Professor John Mearsheimer predicted this war would happen 10 years ago if the U.S. kept on leading Ukraine down the primrose path:
'Ukraine going to be wrecked': After Zelenskyy Trump spat, John Mearsheimer's 2015 prediction goes viral - BusinessToday
In this video, Mearsheimer can be heard making some startling predictions about Ukraine riding high on the backing of the US and other Western powers.
The final straw appeared to be Ukraine's renewed assault on the Donbass republics just days before Russia's military operation began:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
scheerpost.com
Quoting the most relevant passage in that last article:
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In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.
If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.
That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.
The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.
In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.
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Fuck Putin and his war on children. Any American supporting Russia's aggression is an enemy of the Constitution and should be hunted down for it.
Now now, let's be nice. I don't know why Dutch thinks the U.S. Constitution has something to do with Russia's war on Ukraine, but perhaps he'd like to explain his reasoning.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Fuck all Russia supporters D-E-A-D. May the CIA hunt them down and hand them over to the Cartels.
Berletic is having none of the "US is looking for an offramp" narrative:
And just in case you're skeptical, below are some of President Trump's favorite neo-cons, Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal, talking THIS WEEK at CSIS about using American workers as human shields INSIDE Ukraine to prevent Russia from restarting a conflict once Moscow realizes any "peace deal" it makes with the US is just Minsk 3.0.The truth is out in the open, anyone who falls for this does it willingly.
View: https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1991355556314206401
And just in case you're skeptical, below are some of President Trump's favorite neo-cons, Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal, talking THIS WEEK at CSIS about using American workers as human shields INSIDE Ukraine to prevent Russia from restarting a conflict once Moscow realizes any "peace deal" it makes with the US is just Minsk 3.0.The truth is out in the open, anyone who falls for this does it willingly.
View: https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1991355556314206401
Pepe Escobar
https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar
@RealPepeEscobar
THAT UKRAINE 'PEACE PLAN"Everything remains beyond fishy about an alleged, "secretive" 28-point "peace plan" for Ukraine apparently cooked up by Dmitriev-Witkoff - with later input by Vance and Rubio. Including vague “security guarantees for both sides” but not a word on No Ukraine in NATO. In an extensive itvw yesterday in Moscow to, among others, Judge Nap and George Galloway (online) and Larry Johnson and I (live in the TASS studio), Maria Zakharova, on a roll, confirmed again that Moscow did not receive ANYTHING about this "plan" from the US. So no reaction from the Russian MFA and no reaction from the Kremlin. For the moment, only a tsunami of spin.
https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar
@RealPepeEscobar
THAT UKRAINE 'PEACE PLAN"Everything remains beyond fishy about an alleged, "secretive" 28-point "peace plan" for Ukraine apparently cooked up by Dmitriev-Witkoff - with later input by Vance and Rubio. Including vague “security guarantees for both sides” but not a word on No Ukraine in NATO. In an extensive itvw yesterday in Moscow to, among others, Judge Nap and George Galloway (online) and Larry Johnson and I (live in the TASS studio), Maria Zakharova, on a roll, confirmed again that Moscow did not receive ANYTHING about this "plan" from the US. So no reaction from the Russian MFA and no reaction from the Kremlin. For the moment, only a tsunami of spin.
https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar
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Ivan Katchanovski
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Full text of 28 point Trump peace plan that is published by Ukrainian MP & media:1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.2. A full and comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine, and Europe. All ambiguities of the past 30 years will be considered resolved.3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and that NATO will not expand further.4. A dialogue will be conducted between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation, thereby ensuring global security and increasing opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.6. The size of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be limited to (6)00,000 personnel.7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that it will not accept Ukraine in the future.8. NATO agrees not to deploy troops in Ukraine.9. European fighter aircraft will be stationed in Poland.10. U.S. Guarantees: The United States will receive compensation for the guarantee. If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of new territories and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked. If Ukraine without cause launches a missile at Moscow or Saint Petersburg, the security guarantee will be considered invalid.11. Ukraine retains the right to EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while the issue is under consideration.12. A powerful global package of measures for the reconstruction of Ukraine, including but not limited to:a. Creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in high-growth sectors, including technology, data-processing centres, and artificial intelligence.b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine on the joint reconstruction, development, modernisation, and operation of Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.c. Joint efforts to restore war-affected territories, including the reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.d. Infrastructure development.e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon gradually and on an individual basis.b. The United States will conclude a long-term economic cooperation agreement aimed at mutual development in the fields of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data-processing centres, rare-earth mining projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.c. Russia will be invited to return to the G8.14. Frozen assets will be used in the following way:US$100 billion of frozen Russian assets will be invested in U.S.-led reconstruction and investment efforts in Ukraine. The United States will receive 50% of the profits from this undertaking. Europe will add another US$100 billion to increase the total investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. Frozen European assets will be unfrozen. The remaining frozen Russian assets will be invested in a separate American-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint American-Russian projects in areas to be determined. This fund will be aimed at strengthening bilateral relations and increasing shared interests in order to create strong motivation not to return to conflict.15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to facilitate and ensure the fulfilment of all provisions of this agreement.16. Russia will legislatively enshrine a policy of non-aggression toward Europe and Ukraine.17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and arms control, including START-1.18. Ukraine agrees to remain a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.19. The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant will be restarted under IAEA supervision, and the generated electricity will be split equally between Russia and Ukraine (50:50).20. Both countries undertake to introduce educational programmes in schools and society that promote understanding and tolerance of different cultures and the elimination of racism and prejudice:a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and protection of linguistic minorities.b. Both countries agree to lift all discriminatory measures and to guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.c. All Nazi ideology and activity must be rejected and prohibited.21. Territories:a. Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk will be recognised de facto as Russian, including by the United States.b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.c. Russia renounces other annexed territories (probably referring to Russian-occupied parts of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts – Ed.) that it controls outside the five regions.d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk oblast they currently control; this withdrawal zone will be regarded as a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.22. After future territorial arrangements are agreed, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of violation of this commitment.23. Russia will not obstruct Ukraine’s commercial use of the Dnipro River, and agreements will be reached on the free transportation of grain across the Black Sea.24. A humanitarian committee will be created to resolve outstanding issues:a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on the “all-for-all” principle.b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.c. A family reunification programme will be implemented.d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of conflict victims.25. Ukraine will hold elections 100 days after the agreement is signed.26. All parties involved in the conflict will receive full amnesty for actions committed during the war and will undertake not to file claims or pursue complaints in the future.27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by a Peace Council headed by President Trump. Predetermined sanctions will apply in the event of violations.28. Once all parties have agreed to and signed this memorandum, the ceasefire will enter into force immediately after both sides withdraw to the agreed positions so that implementation of the agreement can begin.
Looks like this is not a proposal to Russia.....this in chatter inside the Empire as to what a deal might look like.
How realistic it is I dont know, and the Russians have zero reason to trust any deal the Empire makes given the constant aggression and lying.
How realistic it is I dont know, and the Russians have zero reason to trust any deal the Empire makes given the constant aggression and lying.
Anyone dumb enough to still believe what the Ukrainians say cant be helped.
My mistake . 28 point plan.
Trump administration's 28-point Ukraine-Russia peace plan presented to Zelenskyy
The plan, which is still a draft and could change, was presented in Kyiv earlier Thursday.abcnews.go.com
2 of my favourite bloggers on the war in Ukraine have weighed in with articles on the subject. Here is the non paid portion of the first:
Leaked 'Peace Proposal' Carries Hidden Intrigues, as 'Camo-Putin' Signals Defiance
Major things are afoot in Ukraine.
simplicius76.substack.com
I myself have only read the non paid portion myself, though I do have access to the rest. It looks quite good in my view.
Next, an article from another blogger who I greatly respect on the subject:
I'll quote the introduction to this second article:
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A full version of the alleged 28-point US drafted peace plan to bring an end to the war in Ukraine appeared on line courtesy of Ivan Katchanovski @I_Katchanovski (you can read the original post on X here). According to my friend, Pepe Escobar, this document was leaked to the Russian press by Kiril Dimitriev. This proposal is worse than I imagined. During an interview with Maria Zakharova that I hosted on Wednesday, along with Alexander Kazakov and Pepe Escobar, she stated that the Russian Foreign Ministry had not yet received an official copy of the proposal.
Once the proposed document is submitted to the Russian Foreign Ministry, I believe that Sergei Lavrov will use careful diplomatic language welcoming it as a starting point for negotiations, but there is no way in hell that Russia will agree to this in its current form.
Russia is winning on the battlefield and is confident that it will prevail, not only over Ukraine, but over NATO. The proposed document assumes that Russia is looking for a way out… It is not. The biggest problem with this document is that it assumes that Russia and Ukraine are negotiating from a position of equal strength. However, given the current collapse of the Ukrainian military, it will be Russia who will dictate the terms.
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