Antifa, not just an idea but a bunch of terrorists

RB 60 said:
Christianity cannot be defined as an organization because there are so many different denominations of it.
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Antifa, the Anti fascist ideology, already has a lot of denominations from its origins in Germany too. The US groups look different state to state and different compared to the Canadian groups, etc.

That is how ideologies work and why ALL of the US intelligence agencies pre Trump said it was not an organization and why Damo (no intelligence) disagrees. Damo thinks if you say something is not an 'organization' that means you are cannot be organized. He thinks that because he is stupid.
 
QP! said:
I agree. Christianity is organized.

Christianity has disparate small groups who commit crime and terrorist acts.

Thus Christianity is criminal and terrorist.

If you cannot give a single distinction why Christianity escapes the same weak and blanket 'labeling' you are trying to apply to the anti fascist ideology then you have no argument.

Terry at least named the few organization who he says commit the crimes under the Anti Fascist banner, in the same way i named the christian ones.

So explain why it is different when the christian ones do the crimes and why is not the entire Christianity ideology labeled? why do you say the entire Anti fascist ideology is labelled?
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*sigh*

You do not "agree" because you have comprehension issues and didn't understand what was said.

There is no organization out there that calls themselves "christianity"... There are organized groups of Christians, I named a few. Catholics, Methodists, Pentecostals... Some of them are centralized and hierarchical, which you would recognize as an "organization" even with your minimal understanding of organizations like Catholics or Methodists, separate organizations, same ideology with disparate symbolism and some disparate beliefs (Pastors marry, can be women, can include gays as opposed to Priests that cannot marry, cannot be women, and cannot include gays)... Some are not centralized, and according to you could not be "organized" because they are not hierarchical... like Pentecostal Churches which have no overarching central authority... so in your definition those churches don't exist and we shouldn't talk about them...

Anyway, Antifa is a decentralized organization with leftist ideology, it is not an ideology itself. Much like Pentecostal Churches... the central ideology is Christian, but they are Pentecostal Churches not "Christianity"...
 
Damocles said:
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You do not "agree" because you have comprehension issues and didn't understand what was said.

There is no organization out there that calls themselves "christianity"... There are organized groups of Christians, I named a few. Catholics, Methodists, Pentecostals... Some of them are centralized and hierarchical, which you would recognize as an "organization" even with your minimal understanding of organizations like Catholics or Methodists, separate organizations, same ideology with disparate symbolism and some disparate beliefs (Pastors marry, can be women, can include gays as opposed to Priests that cannot marry, cannot be women, and cannot include gays)... Some are not centralized, and according to you could not be "organized" because they are not hierarchical... like Pentecostal Churches which have no overarching central authority... so in your definition those churches don't exist and we shouldn't talk about them...

Anyway, Antifa is a decentralized organization with leftist ideology, it is not an ideology itself. Much like Pentecostal Churches... the central ideology is Christian, but they are Pentecostal Churches not "Christianity"...
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No one can understand what you say as it is stupid.

The Anti Fascist movement exists across many countries and States and cities.

I can name a few and Terry already did of the criminal ones.

So that mirrors EXACTLY what you are saying about Christianity.

So the Christian Ideology CANNOT be defined by one group but can be defined as the umbrella for a bunch of groups who share a common belief system or ideology.

Same for the Anti Fascist ideology. Many disparate groups.

While you have some groups under both ideologies that might commit crimes you CANNOT label either entire ideology, Christianity or Anti Fascism as criminal for the actions of groups who operate under them.
 
QP! said:
Antifa, the Anti fascist ideology, already has a lot of denominations from its origins in Germany too. The US groups look different state to state and different compared to the Canadian groups, etc.

That is how ideologies work and why ALL of the US intelligence agencies pre Trump said it was not an organization and why Damo (no intelligence) disagrees.,
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Like I said, ANTIFA is not a "centralized organization," but a few it's small groups are known to be violent, and those are on the far left
Although not "centralized," I have yet to see anyone affiliated with them agreeing with anything from the right, and especially Trump.
As for ANTIFA "denominations," although these exist, they basically all hate the right. Every damn one of them hates the right's ideologies.

I find it amusing you call DAMO stupid. You should take a long look in the mirror....
 
RB 60 said:
Like I said, ANTIFA is not a "centralized organization," but a few it's small groups are known to be violent, and those are on the far left
Although not "centralized," I have yet to see anyone affiliated with them agreeing with anything from the right, and especially Trump.
As for ANTIFA "denominations," although these exist, they basically all hate the right. Every damn one of them hates the right's ideologies.

I find it amusing you call DAMO stupid. You should take a long look in the mirror....
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It also vets membership and decentralized on purpose. They vet membership, you and I could not walk in and start chanting, we would be unknown and untrusted, therefore would not be invited and if we showed up we'd be asked to leave or doxxed.

According to the source (itsgoingdown.org, etc.) their documents call for closed collective vetting. If an untrusted and uninvited guest shows up, they must leave. Copy/pasting here: Don’t allow new people to walk in off the street. Instead, develop a process for researching and vetting people who want to be involved." They suggest background checks (e.g., asking for ID or personal info pre-meeting) and building trust via referrals or shared actions.

Doing my own writing here: Why This = Organization: It's not random, it's gated entry to protect the cell. Quora insiders (from self-identified Antifa) echo my point: To "join," you must align with "Points of Unity" (e.g., direct confrontation with fascists) and get vouched for by existing members. Strangers? Doxxed or bounced, as I said. This mirrors Al-Qaeda's "acquaintance principle" (trust via personal ties) but without fatwas.

This has been long practiced and well rehearsed starting with early organizations like Weather Underground and through trial and error we have the decentralized organization of today.

Antifa's small-cell model is a deliberate evolution to dodge the pitfalls that crushed predecessors like the Weather Underground (WU). WU had bombs, manifestos, and a collective leadership, but FBI infiltration (via COINTELPRO) and high-profile arrests dismantled them by 1977. Antifa "improved" by going fully horizontal: no leaders to decapitate, no central assets to seize.

I could go on, but if I do it will be later. I need to sleep.

Antifa is an organization deliberately created without centralization with roots in previous leftist ideologue terrorist groups.
 
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Damocles said:
It also vets membership and decentralized on purpose. They vet membership, you and I could not walk in and start chanting, we would be unknown and untrusted, therefore would not be invited and if we showed up we'd be asked to leave or doxed.

According to the source (itsgoingdown.org, etc.) their documents call for closed collective vetting. If an untrusted and uninvited guest shows up, they leave. Copy/pasting here: Don’t allow new people to walk in off the street. Instead, develop a process for researching and vetting people who want to be involved." They suggest background checks (e.g., asking for ID or personal info pre-meeting) and building trust via referrals or shared actions.

Doing my own writing here: Why This = Organization: It's not random, it's gated entry to protect the cell. Quora insiders (from self-identified Antifa) echo my point: To "join," you must align with "Points of Unity" (e.g., direct confrontation with fascists) and get vouched for by existing members. Strangers? Doxxed or bounced, as you said. This mirrors Al-Qaeda's "acquaintance principle" (trust via personal ties) but without fatwas.

This has been long practiced and well rehearsed starting with early organizations like Weather Underground and through trial and error we have the decentralized organization of today.

Antifa's small-cell model is a deliberate evolution to dodge the pitfalls that crushed predecessors like the Weather Underground (WU). WU had bombs, manifestos, and a collective leadership, but FBI infiltration (via COINTELPRO) and high-profile arrests dismantled them by 1977. Antifa "improved" by going fully horizontal: no leaders to decapitate, no central assets to seize.

I could go on, but if I do it will be later. I need to sleep.

Antifa is an organization deliberately created without centralization with roots in previous leftist ideologue terrorist groups.
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I did not read more than this.....ANTIFA HQ in Portland controls membership......and they do a very good job of it.
 
Damocles said:
It also vets membership and decentralized on purpose. They vet membership, you and I could not walk in and start chanting, we would be unknown and untrusted, therefore would not be invited and if we showed up we'd be asked to leave or doxed.

According to the source (itsgoingdown.org, etc.) their documents call for closed collective vetting. If an untrusted and uninvited guest shows up, they leave. Copy/pasting here: Don’t allow new people to walk in off the street. Instead, develop a process for researching and vetting people who want to be involved." They suggest background checks (e.g., asking for ID or personal info pre-meeting) and building trust via referrals or shared actions.

Doing my own writing here: Why This = Organization: It's not random, it's gated entry to protect the cell. Quora insiders (from self-identified Antifa) echo my point: To "join," you must align with "Points of Unity" (e.g., direct confrontation with fascists) and get vouched for by existing members. Strangers? Doxxed or bounced, as you said. This mirrors Al-Qaeda's "acquaintance principle" (trust via personal ties) but without fatwas.

This has been long practiced and well rehearsed starting with early organizations like Weather Underground and through trial and error we have the decentralized organization of today.

Antifa's small-cell model is a deliberate evolution to dodge the pitfalls that crushed predecessors like the Weather Underground (WU). WU had bombs, manifestos, and a collective leadership, but FBI infiltration (via COINTELPRO) and high-profile arrests dismantled them by 1977. Antifa "improved" by going fully horizontal: no leaders to decapitate, no central assets to seize.

I could go on, but if I do it will be later. I need to sleep.

Antifa is an organization deliberately created without centralization with roots in previous leftist ideologue terrorist groups.
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Exactly. Sleep well.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
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That's right! Words YOU should live by!
 
Damocles said:
When a decentralized movement exists, it continues to exist even if you repeatedly declare it does not. This magical disappearing movement is a "fever-dream" of leftists everywhere.

Saying it doesn't exist is just another way of telling us all to stop believing our lying eyes and just believe what you danged well tell us to believe... It's just idiocy, rebaked, a bit burned, and collapsed because you killed the yeast.
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There is no Antifa. Antifa is a trumptard fever dream - like when trumptards deny The Holocaust or claim vaccines cause autism. You fall victim to so many trumptard fantasies. If you had shame, you'd be experiencing it now.

And yes - you should stop believing all the lies coming from the cult leader - absolutely - you're finally getting it, Damo! Great job!
 
LurchAddams said:
There is no Antifa. Antifa is a trumptard fever dream - like when trumptards deny The Holocaust or claim vaccines cause autism. You fall victim to so many trumptard fantasies. If you had shame, you'd be experiencing it now.

And yes - you should stop believing all the lies coming from the cult leader - absolutely - you're finally getting it, Damo! Great job!
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All cops are bastards never happened they say.

Just how dumb R U?
 
LurchAddams said:
There is no Antifa.
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Even Wikipedia agrees that Antifa exists:
en.wikipedia.org

Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

It makes it clear from the get go that it's not exactly a unified political movement though. Here's the first paragraph from their article on the subject:
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Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntifə/) is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement. It is a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups in the United States. Antifa political activism includes nonviolent methods of direct action such as poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, speeches, protest marches, and community organizing. Some also use tactics involving digital activism, doxing, harassment, violence, and property damage. Supporters of the movement aim to combat far-right extremists, including neo-Nazis and white supremacists.
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Continuing from the same article, some history on the movement, as well as views from the left and right on it:
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The American antifa movement grew after Donald Trump was elected president of the United States in 2016. Antifa activists' actions have since received support and criticism from various organizations and pundits. Some on the political left and some civil rights organizations criticize antifa's willingness to adopt violent tactics, which they describe as counterproductive and dangerous, arguing that these tactics embolden the political right and their allies. Both Democratic and Republican politicians have condemned violence from antifa. Many right-wing politicians and groups have characterized antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, or use antifa as a catch-all term, which they adopt for any left-leaning or liberal protest actions. According to some scholars, antifa is a legitimate response to the rise of the far right. Scholars tend to reject an equivalence between antifa and right-wing extremism. Some research suggests that most antifa action is nonviolent.
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The Republican Party not just an idea but a bunch of terrorists storming a closed and guarded Capitol Building.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Yep. Supposedly Trump has rounded up and is busy deporting all those illegal rapists carrying diseases and killing everyone. So now we need to drag an old boogeyman out of the closet. Voila -- it's Antifa!

MAGATs are so fucking fearful, so utterly stupid and gullible and willing to be led by the wolves wearing lambs' skins.
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Said the old hag that's afraid of her own shadow.
 
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