Repeal or replace?
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Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
Barack Hussein Obama destroyed our healthcare system.
I suspect he knew this would happen, and thought he could sneak single-payer in eventually when his pet vanity project collapsed under its own weight.
It’s time to abolish the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with . . . NOTHING.
Your body, your choice.
Many chronic conditions are caused by poor lifestyle decisions. Not my problem. Exercise, eat for health, and many conditions will go away.
But muh poor people.
Most of the globe doesn't have medical insurance for poor people - because it's UNAFFORDABLE.
Yes, it is true — the majority of the world’s population lives in countries that do NOT provide free or low-cost comprehensive health coverage to poor people.Here’s the evidence (2023-2025 data from WHO, World Bank, and national sources):
1. Global coverage
The idea that “the whole world except the U.S. has free healthcare” is a myth that only applies to a small, mostly rich corner of Europe and a few outliers.
So yes — most of the globe absolutely does NOT offer free or low-cost medical insurance for poor people.
If that troubles you virtue-signaling conscience, YOU PAY for the poor.
That's what used to be the standard in America; if someone needed and couldn't afford medical care, they depended on their own savings (gasp), family, friends, or charitable organizations.
IT WORKED WELL, until for-profit health insurance became widespread during WWII.
Consider this:
Average "Affordable" Obamacare family premiums have tripled. Average family coverage now costs $27,000 per year .
"Affordable" Obamacare deductibles are $6,000-$12,000 per family member .
Taxpayers subsidize this broken "Affordable" Obamacare boondoggle to the tune of $700–$800 billion annually
This is an absolute scam, taking money from taxpayers to bail out for-profit insurance companies - the same for-profit insurance companies Trump-hating Democrats say they hate.
Well, if it's affordable, why would we need to throw more money at it?
But muh more people are covered?
Yeah, and incentivized to go to the doctor for literally anything. The poors think "it's the government's money, so it's free money”.
America is ~38 trillion in debt.
Unsustainable.
End it, before it ends America.
I suspect he knew this would happen, and thought he could sneak single-payer in eventually when his pet vanity project collapsed under its own weight.
It’s time to abolish the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with . . . NOTHING.
Your body, your choice.
Many chronic conditions are caused by poor lifestyle decisions. Not my problem. Exercise, eat for health, and many conditions will go away.
But muh poor people.
Most of the globe doesn't have medical insurance for poor people - because it's UNAFFORDABLE.
Yes, it is true — the majority of the world’s population lives in countries that do NOT provide free or low-cost comprehensive health coverage to poor people.Here’s the evidence (2023-2025 data from WHO, World Bank, and national sources):
1. Global coverage
- Only ~30 countries (mostly in Western Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, a few Gulf states, and a handful of others like Thailand and Turkey) offer universal, tax-funded or single-payer systems where the poor pay little or nothing at the point of service.
- That covers roughly 1 billion people — less than 13 % of the world’s 8.2 billion.
- India (1.4 billion): No universal coverage. 75 % of health spending is out-of-pocket. Government schemes (Ayushman Bharat) cover only ~500 million poor for hospital care, but primary care and medicines are mostly paid.
- Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, DR Congo, Egypt, Philippines, Vietnam (combined ~1.1 billion): Similar story — catastrophic out-of-pocket payments are the norm; public facilities exist but are underfunded and charge user fees.
- China (1.4 billion): 95 % have some insurance, but rural and migrant poor still pay 30-50 % of costs out-of-pocket; deductibles and co-pays are high.
- United States (340 million): Medicaid covers only the very poor or specific categories; ~26 million remain uninsured, and even insured poor face high deductibles.
- Latin America: Mexico (IMSS-Bienestar), Brazil (SUS), Argentina, Colombia, Peru have public systems, but quality is uneven and middle/upper classes opt out for private care. Still better than most of the world, but not “free” for everyone.
- Sub-Saharan Africa (1.1 billion outside South Africa): Almost nowhere except Rwanda (~90 % covered by community insurance at ~$5/year) and a few small countries. Everywhere else: pay or die.
- 4.5 billion people (55 % of world) lack medical coverage. If insurance is necessary to survive, why are there so damn many folks surviving without it?
The idea that “the whole world except the U.S. has free healthcare” is a myth that only applies to a small, mostly rich corner of Europe and a few outliers.
So yes — most of the globe absolutely does NOT offer free or low-cost medical insurance for poor people.
If that troubles you virtue-signaling conscience, YOU PAY for the poor.
That's what used to be the standard in America; if someone needed and couldn't afford medical care, they depended on their own savings (gasp), family, friends, or charitable organizations.
IT WORKED WELL, until for-profit health insurance became widespread during WWII.
Consider this:
Average "Affordable" Obamacare family premiums have tripled. Average family coverage now costs $27,000 per year .
"Affordable" Obamacare deductibles are $6,000-$12,000 per family member .
Taxpayers subsidize this broken "Affordable" Obamacare boondoggle to the tune of $700–$800 billion annually
This is an absolute scam, taking money from taxpayers to bail out for-profit insurance companies - the same for-profit insurance companies Trump-hating Democrats say they hate.
Well, if it's affordable, why would we need to throw more money at it?
But muh more people are covered?
Yeah, and incentivized to go to the doctor for literally anything. The poors think "it's the government's money, so it's free money”.
America is ~38 trillion in debt.
Unsustainable.
End it, before it ends America.
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Socialism is not capitalism.
Life is Golden
The Sage
Now you're getting it. By demonizing and trying to destroy insurance companies, they are doing Obama's work for him, what he wanted from the get-go. Single payer.
So many simple-minded people cannot see the forest for the trees.
I think you've missed the main thrust of my position, though. Need a minute to read it through?
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
why not a fee for service model for healthcare?
why does it have to be through insurance?
please try to formulate an answer with your weak fascist mind.
Life is Golden
The Sage
The ACA got rid of traditional underwriting and replaced it with taxpayer-funded subsidies which keep insurance companies afloat. Those subsidies now cover the risks insurers used to handle on their own. If the subsidies were cut or taken away, many insurers could go under or drop out of the exchanges. That would likely lead to a single-payer system, because the private market wouldn’t be able to survive without government support.
Fee for service? Insurance is meant to prevent financial devastation, not provide "free" or $20 office visits. If you have a 2 month hospital stay, you think most people can pay that out of pocket? That's the sole purpose of insurance. If insurance companies go away, medical providers aren't going to suddenly drop their outlandish prices either.
That's when the when grand ole gubmint will step in to save the day. Just like Owebama always planned.
"The welfare of humanity is the alibi of tyrants."
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
when premiums themselves are devastating and then one can still get ruined in the case of illness, it's fair to say insurance has failed it's mission.
the very fact of things being done through insurance without real market choice IS WHY costs are high.
it;s a cartel.
fee for service would improve things.
these corporations are too powerful in their lobbying of Congress.
you suck at thinking.
I'm sorry but you're very dumb.
this is a result of fascism, or state capture.
Life is Golden
The Sage
You have no solutions or explanations, only insults. So, if you have a 2 month hospital stay that has a price tag of $500k, how does that work exactly? We aren't talking about an office visit, anyone can pay that or treatment for a sprained ankle. We are addressing how someone will pay hundreds of thousands in medical bills, which happens all the time.
Explain how that will work. I don't care what your feewings about me are. Talk about the topic instead of your thoughts on me, cuz I don't care.
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
I have explanations and solutions.
costs are too high because there are too many layers between patient and provder.
there is a corrupt layer of insurance companies and politicians.
cut them both out is the solution.
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
I'm not sure I read every post of yours, honestly.
Freddy Figbottom
Was it me?
you need to be more succinct.
read strunk and wrights elements of style.
you probably were told to do so and never have.
at least we agree, proving you're up to my standards.
good for you!
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The Sage
So you think if every insurance company shuts down, medical costs are going to magically go down?
That won't happen. The prices won't reverse now. People won't be able to pay them. Enter, the gubmint.
Freddy Figbottom
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you don't want it to change.
you're an insurance company shill.
you like your healtchcare stock too much, selfish.