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Temu Obama claims Adelita Grijalva wasn’t sworn in because Mike Johnson and Republicans, at the direction of President Trump, are running a “pedophile protection program.”
He should know that Epstein grand jury files can only be released by a judge’s order—the last justice who blocked them was appointed by Clinton.
Maybe he should be blaming his own party for protecting predators.
View: https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1985429893828788676
He should know that Epstein grand jury files can only be released by a judge’s order—the last justice who blocked them was appointed by Clinton.
Maybe he should be blaming his own party for protecting predators.
View: https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1985429893828788676
It’s Day 34 of the Schumer shutdown.
Democrats are LYING when they say Republicans shut down the government.
The only House Democrat to vote in favor of the clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) on September 19, 2025, was Rep. Jared Golden of Maine.
The bill passed the House by a vote of 217-212, with the vote being largely along party lines.
Only two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Victoria Spartz of Indiana, voted against the measure.
The Senate did not pass the clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) that the House passed on September 19, 2025.
The bill failed in the Senate the same day it was sent over from the House, by a vote of 44-48, falling short of the 60 votes required to pass funding legislation.
On September 19, 2025, only two Democrats, Senator John Fetterman and Senator Catherine Cortez Masto.voted in favor of the House-passed clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371).
One other member who caucuses with the Democrats, but is an Independent, also voted for the measure:
The Republican Senators who voted no were:
The clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) has been rejected in the Senate at least 13 times as of November 2025.
The Democrat caucus has largely refused to invoke cloture (meaning they are blocking the 60 votes required to advance the legislation), leading to the government shutdown when funding expired on September 30, 2025.
Only three members of the Democratic caucus have consistently voted in favor of invoking cloture (ending debate) on the clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) in the Senate since the September 19, 2025 vote. These same members had also voted for the bill itself initially.
The members are:
Only one Republican, Senator Rand Paul, has repeatedly voted against invoking cloture.
Democrats have previously voted to implement similar "clean" Continuing Resolutions in the past. Democrats voted in favor of "clean" CRs no fewer than 13 times during the Biden administration.
Democrats are LYING when they say Republicans shut down the government.
The only House Democrat to vote in favor of the clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) on September 19, 2025, was Rep. Jared Golden of Maine.
The bill passed the House by a vote of 217-212, with the vote being largely along party lines.
Only two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Victoria Spartz of Indiana, voted against the measure.
The Senate did not pass the clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) that the House passed on September 19, 2025.
The bill failed in the Senate the same day it was sent over from the House, by a vote of 44-48, falling short of the 60 votes required to pass funding legislation.
On September 19, 2025, only two Democrats, Senator John Fetterman and Senator Catherine Cortez Masto.voted in favor of the House-passed clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371).
One other member who caucuses with the Democrats, but is an Independent, also voted for the measure:
- Senator Angus King of Maine.
The Republican Senators who voted no were:
- Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky
- Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska; however, by the end of the month, Murkowski announced she would switch her vote to "yes" for subsequent procedural votes to at least keep the government open, though the bill has still consistently failed due to the 60-vote requirement doe to Democrat opposition.
The clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) has been rejected in the Senate at least 13 times as of November 2025.
The Democrat caucus has largely refused to invoke cloture (meaning they are blocking the 60 votes required to advance the legislation), leading to the government shutdown when funding expired on September 30, 2025.
Only three members of the Democratic caucus have consistently voted in favor of invoking cloture (ending debate) on the clean Continuing Resolution (H.R. 5371) in the Senate since the September 19, 2025 vote. These same members had also voted for the bill itself initially.
The members are:
- Senator John Fetterman (D-PA)
- Senator Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV)
- Senator Angus King (I-ME), an independent who caucuses with Democrats
Only one Republican, Senator Rand Paul, has repeatedly voted against invoking cloture.
Democrats have previously voted to implement similar "clean" Continuing Resolutions in the past. Democrats voted in favor of "clean" CRs no fewer than 13 times during the Biden administration.
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Whatsa matter, Hugo? Couldn't use your crayons on it?
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Personally, I have to give a lot of credit for the ATC guys still working, even without a paycheck, and even though a lot of their buddies don't come to work anymore.
That's the kind of guy I want on the scope when I'm talking to 'em. Their love of aviation is what keeps them there.
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Won't work. They would have to recertify for the position. That can take some time. By the time they complete certification, government will probably open. Also, the military is paid by the federal government, just as ATC is.
ATC certification is by location. If you are certified for Seattle Departure/Approach control, you are not certified for any other position.
The reason is a simple one. Every control center is different, with different requirements and different traffic flow.
OIC.
Ronald Reagan used military air traffic controllers (ATCs) during the 1981 PATCO strike.
- August 3, 1981: The Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) went on strike, with ~13,000 of the nation's 17,000 controllers walking off the job, demanding better pay and working conditions.
- On August 5, Reagan declared the strike illegal under the Taft-Hartley Act (which prohibits federal employees from striking) and fired 11,345 controllers who refused to return to work within 48 hours.
- To keep the system running at reduced capacity (~50–60% of normal flights):
- The FAA called in military ATCs from the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Army.
- Approximately 800–1,000 military controllers were deployed to civilian towers and centers.
- They worked alongside ~3,000 supervisors, non-striking controllers, and temporary hires.
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That was when military was getting paid, and again, military ATC operators have to recertify.
After recertification for those positions, and the military was getting paid, and so were the remaining ATC operators.
Reagan did break the PATCO union as well.
Now it's different. ATC is not getting paid, and neither is the military ATC.
I understand.
While the core principles haven't fundamentally changed since the 1981 PATCO strike era, modern rules (as of 2025) emphasize facility-specific qualifications even more stringently due to increased airspace complexity, technology integration (e.g., ADS-B and automation tools), and safety protocols.
Under the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) standards for the Air Traffic Control Series (GS-2152), controllers "must possess or obtain, within uniformly applicable time limits, the facility ratings required for full performance at the facility where the position is located." These ratings cover knowledge of local terrain, landmarks, radio aids, communication circuits, and procedures unique to that site—e.g., Seattle's high-traffic coastal approaches differ vastly from Chicago's en route center flows or a rural tower's low-volume ops.
New hires now complete FAA Academy basics (2–5 months in Oklahoma City), then get assigned to a specific facility for 1–3 years of on-the-job training (OJT) and classroom work tailored to that location. Only after passing facility-specific exams and proficiency checks do they earn Certified Professional Controller (CPC) status for that position. Transferring? You'd need recertification at the new site, often taking months of OJT.
Each of the FAA's 400+ facilities (towers, TRACONs like Seattle Approach, en route centers) has unique traffic patterns, weather challenges, and equipment. Universal certification could risk errors in high-stakes environments handling 50,000+ daily flights.
In 1981, Reagan bypassed these rules via emergency measures:
- Military controllers (from Air Force, Navy, Army) were temporarily detailed under FAA supervision, not as fully certified civilians. They handled ~50–60% of flights without location-specific recertification, thanks to military training overlap (e.g., radar and procedures).
- Today, even military vets get hiring preference but still require facility-specific OJT and certification at their assigned site—no direct "plug-and-play" across locations. The FAA now prioritizes this to avoid the 1981 disruptions (e.g., flight cuts), amid ongoing shortages.
go kill yourself