The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines

[domer76]

Scott is a liar, people.

Check #221 yesterday.

The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective, the outcome vastly worth the very rare injury caused by them.

He is not engaged in free speech.

He is willfully, voluntarily, and knowingly trying to hurt citizens.

I think he’s not just that. This guy is light in brain cells and does not bring a full deck to the card game. He’s just not all there.

With these types, you can debunk their bogus, pseudoscience conspiracy sites until you’re blue in the face but they’ll continue to cite the same source over and again.

I haven’t placed him on ignore yet, but it’s damn close.

 

[jimmymccready]

Yet another unsubtantiated assertion.

I did, responded to it too, in post #255.

I posted sources, you denied it, which makes you a liar.

 

[jimmymccready]

Unsubstantiated assertions are a dime a dozen. What's a lot harder to come up with is evidence for one's assertions.

Proven over and over as effective and safe.

 

[Scott]

The death toll from the vaccine is and was negligibly small.

Not true. Dennis Rancourt and others conducted a study and found that the amount of deaths associated with the Covid 19 vaccines was massive, accounting for around 17 million deaths worldwide. That being said, Rancourt has since pointed out that the Covid 19 vaccines can't take all the credit:
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Coming back to the 17 million vaccine deaths… In this post, I want to address the following paradox:

On the one hand, there is a strong temporal association between C19 vaccine rollouts and excess all-cause mortality, leading to our calculated global C19 vaccine mortality of approximately 17 million, whereas, on the other hand, large-scale adverse-effect monitoring and vaccination-status-differentiated all-cause mortality show a vaccine mortality rate that is some 1000 times smaller than needed to explain the observed vaccine-associated excess all-cause mortality.

This is a significant inconsistency that cannot summarily be disregarded, one way or the other. Both outcomes are based on sufficiently reliable observational data.

The said paradox cannot be solved solely by showing or proving clever molecular or cellular mechanisms of C19 vaccine harm. It is a quantitative paradox not a conceptual one.

There is no reasonable doubt that the C19 vaccines cause death, not to mention mass injury, as established in a growing number of published autopsy reports and clinical observations (3,580 science-journal articles to date).

That is not the question.

Another aspect that should be considered proven is that the notion that the C19 vaccine “saved lives”, or “millions of lives”, is a ridiculous notion. The untenable nature of that theoretical proposition (advanced in The Lancet) was demonstrated by me and co-author Joseph Hickey here: https://correlation-canada.org/nobel-vaccine-and-all-cause-mortality/. Likewise, the recent estimate of “lives saved” by Ioannidis and co-authors is erroneous and silly.

So, on the one hand, there are strong correlations in time between peaks in excess all-cause mortality and vaccine rollouts (hundreds of examples), whereas, on the other hand, reasonably estimated fatal vaccine toxicity is not large enough (by some 3 orders of magnitude) to explain the measured vaccine-associated all-ages excess all-cause mortality.

I provided an answer to this paradox in section 3.3.6 of my recent paper: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202412.0480/v1

[snip]

A solution to the paradox​

A solution is that the C19 vaccine rollouts are themselves systematically accompanied by deadly concomitant measures that cause the vaccine-associated peaks in excess all-cause mortality.

What are the said concomitant measures and how are they so fatal?

It turns out that the said concomitant measures are the same kinds of factors that in 2020 caused hot spots of large excess all-cause mortality prior to any C19 vaccine rollout, and that have been causing excess deaths throughout and after the 5 May 2023 end of the declared pandemic.

I most recently put it this way:

… the impugned COVID-19 vaccine rollouts may be synchronously accompanied by concomitant aggressive medical and/or health interventions, and the latter interventions would be the relevant primary cause(s) of death.

Examples of such accompanying interventions might include:

• the use of incorrectly stored or handled COVID-19 vaccination products
• incorrect combinations of COVID-19 vaccination products from different manufacturers
• incorrect physical administrations of the COVID-19 vaccine, using rushed or ill-trained staff
• testing for COVID-19, and the associated consequences of positive test results
• more aggressive or extreme immobilization and isolation enforcement during the vaccine rollout
• the psychological stress of being coerced into re-vaccination, in the institutional environment
• administration of influenza or other vaccinations
• administration of medications intended to facilitate acceptance or to alleviate side effects of the injections
• disrupted patient care schedule, including regular medication, meals and hydration
• transmitted stress of the attendants, or infections from the attendants
• and so on

The thus associated or accompanying assaults can be different in their array and different in magnitude from one country to another, from one institution to another, and from one COVID-19 vaccine rollout to another (with multiple doses, such as boosters). For example, Rancourt (2022) discusses the case of India, compared to the consequences of so-called vaccine-equity campaigns in the USA.

Basically, these types of measures, like any campaign of coordinated and largescale aggressive

• mandates,
• measures,
• so-called responses, and
• medical assaults including testing, diagnostic bias, isolation, denial of treatment (especially antibiotics for pneumonia), mechanical ventilation, sedation, experimental and improper treatments, and any coerced vaccination

will increase biological stress and thereby induce fatal self-infection transmissionless bacterial pneumonias in elderly and sick people. Social isolation and in-bed immobilization are devastating for the sick and elderly, not to mention deprivation of touch and restriction of breathing.

This hypothesis is amply supported by a large scientific literature. See: Yup, my latest.

The same basic mechanism (mass environmental or societal assault —> fatal self-infections of the sick and elderly) has probably caused all epidemics and pandemics in history, and the seasonal winter excesses in all-cause mortality, as argued and referenced here.
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Full article:

Did the C19 vaccine kill 17 million? Yes, but how? Not what you think!

Clinical data proves lethality but not of this magnitude

denisrancourt.substack.com

 

[Scott]

Scott is a liar, people.

Yet another unsubtantiated assertion.

I posted sources [snip]

In post #251, you said I was a liar. You posted no "sources" to back up that claim, it was just an unsubstantiated assertion.

 

[Scott]

The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective, the outcome vastly worth the very rare injury caused by them.

Unsubstantiated assertions are a dime a dozen. What's a lot harder to come up with is evidence for one's assertions.

Proven over and over as effective and safe.

Again, making unsubstantiated assertions is easy. Providing evidence for them is the hard part.

 

[gfm7175]

We know now that 3 things worked if done properly.

Distancing
Masking
Vaccinating

1) "six feet apart" does not stop the spread of a virus (or any pathogen for that matter). It's laughable to believe that you're "at risk of getting sick" if you're 5'11" away from a person, but "safe" at 6'0".

2) Masks do not work against viruses (especially the masks that were widely used at the time). Viruses are smaller than the pores of a mask. Masks are also not properly worn 24/7/365.

3) There are no COVID vaccines in existence. There are mRNA treatments though. Those treatments aren't nearly as "safe and effective" as advertised.

Now, tell us, fucktard, what distance would YOU choose for an airborne virus that we’d never seen before?

SARS has been seen before. COVID is simply a variant of SARS.

In your face?
One foot?
Three feet?
Ten feet?

Pick a fucking number, Nostradamus.

Besides the unrealistic "purposely panting right in one's face for an extended time", it really doesn't matter. Airborne pathogens are all over in the air that you're breathing.

The masking works if done properly, too.

No, it doesn't (because the pores are too large).

The science tells us that,

"The science" (and mask engineering specs) say the complete opposite, actually.

but as a public health POLICY , it fell short because people didn’t:

Always wear masks

Did YOU wear YOUR mask 24/7/365?!

Used the wrong mask

There is no widely available and feasible "correct mask".

Weren’t fitted properly

Irrelevant in this case.

Try to know the difference between science vs policy, moron.

Your issue, not mine.

 

[gfm7175]

Not one fucking bit. All three are scientifically valid.

All three deny science (and mask engineering specs).

You sad COVID conspiracy fucks will never take the opportunity to actually research the truth.

Name calling doesn't change the truth, Gomer.

What is the claimed size of a COVID virus?
What is the size of the pores of the most-commonly-worn masks?
Were those masks worn 24/7/365? Why not?

You merely buy the pseudoscience bullshit.

You merely buy the media's (funded by Big Harma) fear-porn bullshit.

 

[gfm7175]

A vaccine, you fucking idiot, is a substance that causes an immune response.

Pet dander is a vaccine? Pollen is a vaccine?

 

[jimmymccready]

In post #251, you said I was a liar. You posted no "sources" to back up that claim, it was just an unsubstantiated assertion.

I did, and so you are lying now.

 

[Scott]

In post #251, you said I was a liar. You posted no "sources" to back up that claim, it was just an unsubstantiated assertion.

I did, and so you are lying now.

For the audience, feel free to check jimmy's post #251 to verify for themselves that he posted no sources to back up his claim that I'm a liar.

 

[jimmymccready]

Yup, 251 tells you to check 221. You are such a stupe.

 

[Nordberg]

Safety and accomplishments of vaccines. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm. They have saved millions of lives and ended many crippling diseases.

 

[Scott]

Safety and accomplishments of vaccines. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm. They have saved millions of lives and ended many crippling diseases.

It's a good thing that RFK Jr. is reforming the CDC. He still hasn't cleared out all the corruption, but he's at least working on it. One day, they may even admit to nefarious things they've done in the past, such as this:

Simpsonwood 2025

After 25 years, CHD exposes what happened behind closed doors at the secret Simpsonwood meeting in June of 2000, where CDC, FDA, and pharma officials reviewed explosive data linking vaccines with autism and neurological damage… and then buried it. Children’s Health Defense uncovers what they...

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[Into the Night]

I definitely have my disagreements with @Into the Night, but I think it wouldn't help anyone if I didn't point out that we actually agree on some things when it comes to both the covid vaccines and the alleged Cov 2 virus. Below are quotes from 2 posts he's made in this thread:
Into the Night: "Covid19 does not kill."

Source: Post #31

Seeing as how I don't believe the Cov 2 virus exists, I definitely agree with that statement. I said as much in post #41.

Into the Night:
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The covid19 'vaccine' isn't a vaccine. It's a treatment. mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. It is designed to program cells to manufacture covid19 viruses.

Yes...Ivermectine does seem to be effective against covid19 infection.
**

Source: Post #32

I didn't agree with everything he said there, but I did agree with some of it and definitely felt it merited a response, which I did in post #42.

For whatever reason, Into the Night never responded to either of my responses to these posts of his, but due to these posts of his, I believe that he actually does see some of the truth in regards to Covid 19 vaccines and at least doesn't see the alleged Cov 2 virus as deadly.

There is no covid 19 vaccine. It's an mRNA treatment.
Covid 19 (also known as SARS-CoV-2) is a real virus. It does not kill. It CAN cause pneumonia (like any respiratory virus can), which CAN kill. Apparently the Covid shot does very little to mitigate a Covid infection. It also carries some risk using it (allergic reactions). Naturally developed immunity is much more effective.

Ivermectin has shown some effectiveness against a covid infection.

Pneumonia is a bacteriological infection and must be treated aggressively with antibiotics.

Covid is a respiratory virus, spread via air. It can lodge in air filters and on any surface. The infection cycle normally takes about two weeks, even after immunity, but the symptoms are mitigated significantly after the first infection. In ALL cases, watch for the development of pneumonia and GET IT TREATED RIGHT AWAY. Pneumonia is no joke.

Masks do not stop any virus, including any variant of covid.

No vaccine or mRNA treatment prevents infection of a virus.

 

[Into the Night]

Safety and accomplishments of vaccines. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm. They have saved millions of lives and ended many crippling diseases.

No vaccine prevents infection, Sybil.

Some vaccines have saved lives. Others are useless, Still others wound up CAUSING infections.
ALL vaccines have a risk of allergic reaction.

 

[Into the Night]

The BIGGEST factor in reducing a lot of crippling diseases is sanitation and the introduction of effective antibiotics.

The Black Death is bacteriological.
Cholera is bacteriological.
Typhus is bacteriological.
Tuberculosis is bacteriological.
Leprosy is bacteriological.


I could go on, but the real killers of the past were bacteriological infections, not viruses so much.

 

[Into the Night]

Pet dander is a vaccine? Pollen is a vaccine?

Exactly. These are common substances that cause an immune response. That's called allergy. Certain foods, plants, pet dander, dust, ... All kinds of things can cause an overly strong immune response.

Fortunately, allergies come and go. What you are allergic to today might very well be different tomorrow, as your body adjusts to the changing conditions.

 

[Nordberg]

It's a good thing that RFK Jr. is reforming the CDC. He still hasn't cleared out all the corruption, but he's at least working on it. One day, they may even admit to nefarious things they've done in the past, such as this:

Simpsonwood 2025

After 25 years, CHD exposes what happened behind closed doors at the secret Simpsonwood meeting in June of 2000, where CDC, FDA, and pharma officials reviewed explosive data linking vaccines with autism and neurological damage… and then buried it. Children’s Health Defense uncovers what they...

childrenshealthdefense.org

You consp[ircy nuts are doing real damage to America.

 

[Scott]

It's a good thing that RFK Jr. is reforming the CDC. He still hasn't cleared out all the corruption, but he's at least working on it. One day, they may even admit to nefarious things they've done in the past, such as this:

Simpsonwood 2025

After 25 years, CHD exposes what happened behind closed doors at the secret Simpsonwood meeting in June of 2000, where CDC, FDA, and pharma officials reviewed explosive data linking vaccines with autism and neurological damage… and then buried it. Children’s Health Defense uncovers what they...

childrenshealthdefense.org

You consp[ircy nuts are doing real damage to America.

I suppose this is the point where I should call you a sheep? I mean, you -could- read the link and see if you can find anything concrete to rebut, but I suppose that'd be too much to ask.