Is "The Messiah" a racial slur?

[Damocles]

Ok, but does any of that point towards the term being racist?

Nah, NT already said he didn't think it was racist. He's just attempting to say that seasoning a steak is the same thing as eating oregano with no meat.

For instance:

Somebody posts something critical of a policy, at the same time they are answering a post where somebody clearly is into "worship" territory and they tell that person that they are attempting to Deify Obama by using the phrase "your Messiah"...

Well, for Nigel, you get to ignore the rest of the post and scoop out only "your Messiah" and pretend that was the only thing they said. Just like you may have used oregano to season your steak in a marinade, but to him you get to just take that out and say they "eat oregano"...

 

[WinterBorn]

I'm not saying it is racist, although I'm sure plenty of racists use the term.

I'm sure plenty of racists use our interstates, cell phones, and US currency too. Doesn't really mean much.

 

[Bonestorm]

Nah, NT already said he didn't think it was racist. He's just attempting to say that seasoning a steak is the same thing as eating oregano with no meat.

Does anyone get that stupid metaphor? And who the fuck seasons a steak with oregano?

 

[Damocles]

Does anyone get that stupid metaphor? And who the fuck seasons a steak with oregano?

I expanded in an edit, but clearly wasn't fast enough so I'll expand here.

For instance:

Somebody posts something critical of a policy with links and reasoning, at the same time they are answering a post where somebody clearly is into "worship" territory and they tell that person that they are attempting to Deify Obama by using the phrase "your Messiah"...

Well, for Nigel, you get to ignore the rest of the post and scoop out only "your Messiah" and pretend that was the only thing they said. Just like you may have used oregano in a marinade to season your steak, but to Nigel this means you get to just take that out and say they "eat oregano"...

 

[Bonestorm]

I'm sure plenty of racists use our interstates, cell phones, and US currency too. Doesn't really mean much.

Well, it's kind of using the term "Welfare Queen" which in and of itself not necessarily a racist term but is sometime used by racists to evoke images of women of color on welfare.

 

[WinterBorn]

Well, it's kind of using the term "Welfare Queen" which in and of itself not necessarily a racist term but is sometime used by racists to evoke images of women of color on welfare.

But when people try and make either term racist, you not only present a dishonest interpretation, you make the real claims of racism more difficult to make.


Nigel, why is it hard to just say "No, its not racist". Obama is not going to be popular with a large portion of the population. That is the nature of the game. But to try and color things with the "I'm sure lots of racists use the term" is trying to make a connection that doesn't exist.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

But when people try and make either term racist, you not only present a dishonest interpretation, you make the real claims of racism more difficult to make.


Nigel, why is it hard to just say "No, its not racist". Obama is not going to be popular with a large portion of the population. That is the nature of the game. But to try and color things with the "I'm sure lots of racists use the term" is trying to make a connection that doesn't exist.

You tell him sister!

 

[WinterBorn]

You tell him sister!

Misogynist!!!

 

[Bonestorm]

But when people try and make either term racist, you not only present a dishonest interpretation, you make the real claims of racism more difficult to make.


Nigel, why is it hard to just say "No, its not racist". Obama is not going to be popular with a large portion of the population. That is the nature of the game. But to try and color things with the "I'm sure lots of racists use the term" is trying to make a connection that doesn't exist.

I've already said it isn't racist.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

No, I'd say it's your garden-variety rightwing psychological projection. Didn't republicans defend or provide cover for George bush for seven and a half years, until it became apparent he was a political liability for the party? And isn't there some well documented facts that the GOP congress voted for everything bush wanted like 98% of the time through two terms?


What I'm more interested in is a credible and plausible explanation of the republican position on this BP clusterfuck. It's all over the map. Over the past two months the well blowout has gone from not being a huge deal (natural oil seepage is just as bad), to saying its "Obama's Katrina", an epic and historic disaster. Actually, I think some GOPer has now elevated it to "Obama's Chernobyl". Another fascinating conundrum is how on one hand, Obama didn't do anything to get BP to concede 20 billion bucks, to on the other hand saying that it was a chicago-style thuggish shakedown of BP.

You know I had the distinct impression that as much as liberals harshed on Bush on Katrina, they actually wanted those people on the rooftops to be saved. The constant goal post shifting, and flailing all over the map by the GOP seems to indicate they simply view this disaster in terms of how much political damage they can do to Obama. But, I'd hate to think anyone was that immoral. It might take a team of university psychologists to study and explain why the GOP is all over the map and constantly shifting goals posts on this.

Yet again we see another attempt by one of the Messiah's blind devotees trying to revert to another topic. So uncomfortable with discussing anything that might revolve around criticism and he blindly leaps into a giant straw man creation project.

Apparently Cypress is to dimwitted to actually comprehend what people have been saying or why criticisms might change over time as more information becomes public.

Apparently Cypress is too much of a hack to admit that the natural seeps discussion was to state there were positive benefits to drilling off shore. Instead he pretends it was brought up based on claims they were just as bad as the spill. It must suck to go through life as such a moron... it almost makes me feel bad for the little leg humping stalker.

That said... this IS an epic disaster and Obama IS our President and thus is responsible for responding to it. His failure in many areas may be uncomfortable for idiots like Cypress to discuss, but for the rest of the world, the discussion moves along anyway.

But do go on Cypress... continue to show what a devout follower you are to the One. It is quite comical.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Misogynist!!!

Misogynist has nothing to do with it.

you stated you were a Bama fan.... men aren't bama fans. Just women who like the pretty color of the uniforms. Thus, by default you are a woman.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

But when people try and make either term racist, you not only present a dishonest interpretation, you make the real claims of racism more difficult to make.


Nigel, why is it hard to just say "No, its not racist". Obama is not going to be popular with a large portion of the population. That is the nature of the game. But to try and color things with the "I'm sure lots of racists use the term" is trying to make a connection that doesn't exist.

So you believe it's only a coincidence that the term has only been used towards our first black President?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Ok, but does any of that point towards the term being racist?

That's not the argument. The argument is that the term "Messiah" as they are using it is racist.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

No, I'd say it's your garden-variety rightwing psychological projection. Didn't republicans defend or provide cover for George bush for seven and a half years, until it became apparent he was a political liability for the party? And isn't there some well documented facts that the GOP congress voted for everything bush wanted like 98% of the time through two terms?


What I'm more interested in is a credible and plausible explanation of the republican position on this BP clusterfuck. It's all over the map. Over the past two months the well blowout has gone from not being a huge deal (natural oil seepage is just as bad), to saying its "Obama's Katrina", an epic and historic disaster. Actually, I think some GOPer has now elevated it to "Obama's Chernobyl". Another fascinating conundrum is how on one hand, Obama didn't do anything to get BP to concede 20 billion bucks, to on the other hand saying that it was a chicago-style thuggish shakedown of BP.

You know I had the distinct impression that as much as liberals harshed on Bush on Katrina, they actually wanted those people on the rooftops to be saved. The constant goal post shifting, and flailing all over the map by the GOP seems to indicate they simply view this disaster in terms of how much political damage they can do to Obama. But, I'd hate to think anyone was that immoral. It might take a team of university psychologists to study and explain why the GOP is all over the map and constantly shifting goals posts on this.

So you don't think the term is racist? You would agree that it's just purely a coincidence that this term has never been applied to any other US President but only to the one and only black US President? That this has no racial context?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Gergen nails it!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXvK84MPqQ"]YouTube- Gergen Calls Out Racial "Signals" of McCain Ads[/ame]

 

[Cypress]

So you don't think the term is racist? You would agree that it's just purely a coincidence that this term has never been applied to any other US President but only to the one and only black US President? That this has no racial context?

Meh, what do I know. You might be right, I just never thought about messiah that much.

One thing I'm crystal clear on, is that there is a buttload of rhetoric that Obama "the one" is uppity, arrogant, and slick.

I'm totally hip to what that is code for.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

That's not the argument. The argument is that the term "Messiah" as they are using it is racist.

Think about it... NO ONE... except Toppy... agrees with you that it is racist.

and Toppy calls everyone who disagrees with him a KKK/redneck/GED racist blah blah blah...

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Meh, what do I know. You might be right, I just never thought about messiah that much.

One thing I'm crystal clear on, is that there is a buttload of rhetoric that Obama "the one" is uppity, arrogant, and slick.

I'm totally hip to what that is code for.

wow... give the little leg humper a democratic pundit talking about hidden 'codes' and damn if doesn't suddenly become 'crystal clear' about the 'buttload of rhetorical hidden codes'

Amazing how fast he can drink the kool aid.

 

[WinterBorn]

So you believe it's only a coincidence that the term has only been used towards our first black President?

The opposing party would have had some derogatory name for him. It happens with every president.

They have a derogatory name for him because they oppose his politics and because of the way his supporters act towards him.

By your definition, any nickname they came up with for him would have been racist? That is simply inaccurate.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

The only people I EVER see using the term "Messiah" with regards to President Obama are the same half dozen hate-filled losers who hang out here on the JPP boards and who shamelessly resort to derision and belittlement to try and make others as angry as they are.

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