To Hell With Charlie Kirk

[Damocles]

The image of Hell in the popular consciousness comes from Dante's Inferno in the 14th century.

The Anglican community has always taken a moderate theological view that contrasts with American fire and brimstone fundamentalists.

This ignores the Book of Enoch, which is canon in most Jewish Bibles (Old Testament) though not considered canon in most Christian denominations. That book describes hell in a way you might recognize but is not cut into "9 circles"... However, it describes a place.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

This ignores the Book of Enoch, which is canon in most Jewish Bibles (Old Testament) though not considered canon in most Christian denominations. That book describes hell in a way you might recognize but is not cut into "9 circles"... However, it describes a place.

Interesting reference. Do you remember the section of the description of hell?

https://dn720707.ca.archive.org/0/items/TheCompleteBookOfEnochStandardEnglishVersionJayWinter/The%20Complete%20Book%20of%20Enoch%2C%20Standard%20English%20Version%20-%20Jay%20Winter.pdf

Chapter 2
39 And from henceforth, I will have no mercy on them." saith the Lord of
Spirits.
40 In those days shall the earth also give back that which has been entrusted to
it. Sheol also shall give back that which it has received, and hell shall give back
that which it owes.
41 For in those days the Elect One shall arise and He shall choose the righteous
and holy from among them

 

[Damocles]

Interesting reference. Do you remember the section of the description of hell?

https://dn720707.ca.archive.org/0/items/TheCompleteBookOfEnochStandardEnglishVersionJayWinter/The%20Complete%20Book%20of%20Enoch%2C%20Standard%20English%20Version%20-%20Jay%20Winter.pdf

Chapter 2
39 And from henceforth, I will have no mercy on them." saith the Lord of
Spirits.
40 In those days shall the earth also give back that which has been entrusted to
it. Sheol also shall give back that which it has received, and hell shall give back
that which it owes.
41 For in those days the Elect One shall arise and He shall choose the righteous
and holy from among them

This isn't the only reference to hell in the Book of Enoch.

1 Enoch 10:4-6 the angel Raphael is commanded to bind the fallen angel Azazel and cast him into a desert pit, described as a place of darkness and confinement, until a final judgment when he will be thrown into fire.

1Enoch 21 (the whole chapter) Enoch sees a place of fiery punishment prepared for sinners and rebellious angels, described as a chaotic, burning abyss.

1 Enoch 22 (the whole chapter) describes a divided afterlife with glory for the righteous and eternal punishment for the evil. The wicked are described as being in a place of torment, with darkness and suffering, awaiting final judgment.

 

[Cypress]

This ignores the Book of Enoch, which is canon in most Jewish Bibles (Old Testament) though not considered canon in most Christian denominations. That book describes hell in a way you might recognize but is not cut into "9 circles"... However, it describes a place.

Book of Enoch is not in the Bible, and I don't think it's even considered canonical by Christians.

In terms of belief, practice, and theology, I don't think much weight is placed on non-canonical writings.

 

[Into the Night]

So predictable.

Yup. You're just like talking to a Dr. Psycho program.

 

[Cypress]

I did earlier. Didn't you see the two anonymous sources who confirm that a giant exists?

Paul, Peter, Luke, and Mark were not anonymous.

 

[Into the Night]

We are wading deep into illogical arguments here.

On the one hand, some people don't know the origin of the universe,

Does it even have one?

It also is illogical to claim purely inanimate random chance would result in a mathematically organized and finely tuned universe subject to universal laws of physics.

The Universe isn't subject to any law of physics. Physics is subject to the Universe. Reversal fallacy.

 

[Cypress]

How many sock puppets does that make? At least a dozen?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

How many sock puppets does that make? At least a dozen?

It's hard to say without the old software. He tried changing his name like Fredo does before he started with socks. Overall, a dozen could be correct but only about half are socks.

 

[gmark77]

Paul, Peter, Luke, and Mark were not anonymous.

There is no document by Mark that we know of. There's one that was called Mark by tradition not officially until the second century. Paul was not anonymous but by the same token never met Jesus in the flesh so it doesn't really matter. And Luke, while an apostle, didn't necessarily write the eponymous gospel. You know all this.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Jews control … the colleges, the nonprofits, the movies, Hollywood, all of it”

In October 2023, Kirk alleged that Jews dominated universities, nonprofits and Hollywood alike, a sweeping claim echoing entrenched conspiracy theories of Jewish institutional control.

Casting Jews as drivers of “anti-white” politics

In November 2023, while defending billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk, who had endorsed an explicitly anti-Semitic post, Kirk said “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them,” and said that “the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.”

TRT World - 5 times Charlie Kirk made anti-Semitic remarks

Kirk was a vocal supporter of Israel, but he often faced criticism for making anti-Semitic proclamations.

www.trtworld.com

 

[Cypress]

There is no document by Mark that we know of. There's one that was called Mark by tradition not officially until the second century. Paul was not anonymous but by the same token never met Jesus in the flesh so it doesn't really matter. And Luke, while an apostle, didn't necessarily write the eponymous gospel. You know all this.

Wrong as usual.
The late first century bishop pappias corroborates that the Gospel of Mark was written by Peter's secretary Mark.

Luke is a real person mentioned in the New testament.

Paul knew the apostles Peter, John, and Jesus' brother James and could report on what they told him.

Gospel authors are named by second century bishops.

There was no propaganda value to the church in naming two canonical scriptures after two obscure and low-ranking Christians.
If they wanted to lie, make a splash, and gain instant authority for these two gospels, they would have named them after real disciples of Jesus, like Andrew, Phillip,or James - not Mark and Luke.

The logical conclusion is the Peter's secretary Mark and Paul's companion Luke wrote two of the gospels.

You might be able to get away with questioning the authorship of one or two of the canonical gospels and the primary Pauline epistles.

But when you look at the collective works, you start to look like a kook by taking the position that "Everybody's lying!"

 

[Damocles]

Book of Enoch is not in the Bible, and I don't think it's even considered canonical by Christians.

In terms of belief, practice, and theology, I don't think much weight is placed on non-canonical writings.

Did you not read what I wrote?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

This ignores the Book of Enoch, which is canon in most Jewish Bibles (Old Testament) though not considered canon in most Christian denominations. That book describes hell in a way you might recognize but is not cut into "9 circles"... However, it describes a place.

What xtians call the "old testament" in their bible is full of mistranslations
omissions and add on's, doesn't reflect the Hebrew text or meaning

 

[Damocles]

What xtians call the "old testament" in their bible is full of mistranslations
omissions and add on's, doesn't reflect the Hebrew text or meaning

lol. I get that. However, I read the book of Enoch, and studied it in college. It isn't canonical in Christian religions because they say it has "changed" over time. Interestingly their God mentions it in the New Testament.

Anyway, if you want to read the Book of Enoch you get a modern translation from the Hebrew text.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Bullshit.

only Rosie O'Donnell.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

What xtians call the "old testament" in their bible is full of mistranslations
omissions and add on's, doesn't reflect the Hebrew text or meaning

I only put stock in the new testament anyway.

the old Hebe book is a racist document.

 

[Matt Dillon]

I hope this the last week, we have to hear about Charlie Kirk too?!!

There’s no excuse for political violence, but it’s hard to be sympathetic for someone who profited off hate.

Charlie Kirk died as he lived: propagating hateful myths about marginalized groups in our society.

Literally.

He was shot seconds after falsely insinuating that transgender people are more prone to committing mass shootings.

Kirk became rich and famous spreading hateful lies, trafficking in conspiracy theories (some of which were antisemitic) and railing against the LGBTQ community. Ironically, he argued that school shootings were a small price to pay for the Second Amendment.

He was not simply a right-wing pundit with whom one might disagree in polite conversation. He was both a profiteer and architect of America’s increasingly violent culture war.

This isn’t a “both sides” event — political violence in America is almost exclusively the realm of the political right. Put another way, there is no left-wing equivalent to Charlie Kirk — that’s how extreme he was. Trump will likely use his death to further the destruction of U.S. democracy.

There’s no excuse for political violence — but Charlie Kirk is absolutely responsible for making political violence more likely in America.

He never “lowered the temperature” as so many politicians and pundits are now disingenuously pleading; he spent his entire adult life pouring fuel on the fire.

You reap what you sow.

https://cultmtl.com/2025/09/to-hell-with-charlie-kirk/


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As a Christian, I don't wish that anyone go to hell. I always hope the wicked, the users, and the abusers see the error of their ways before they face the end. Kirk was literally doing his schtick when he was shot, so I don't see that as being repentant.

George Floyd was murdered by police. Limbaugh just fucking died. Both are merely footnotes in history. Just like this fuck will be.

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I haven’t gotten a single thing except satisfaction that another MAGAt type is gone. I guess I deserve that satisfaction, huh?

He was a hate merchant. An abuser of the weak.

He was a white Christian nationalist. He preyed on the ignorance and fear of people. He was an evil provacateaur nothing more.

Here's a sound bite from Kirk, and the right is trying to gaslight us into thinking he wasn't a nasty piece of work.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968097283809193990

Kirk: I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run up against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. It's like Black Hillary on steroids. Is she Black? I guess she says she's Caribbean or whatever. Doesn't matter. She gives these speeches, and it just has this aura of totalitarianism. My team says she is Indian and Caribbean.

I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a bumbling, dementia-filled Alzheimer's, corrupt, tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.

Is his hatred of Blacks what attracts you?

I'm still not crying. ;-)

They're treating that hate-merchant like a holy head of state. Like a "Pope" or something. Scary shit.

He was absolutely being serious and no, he wasn't "just indulging in talk show banter" anymore than trump was just indulging in "locker room talk" when he boasted about grabbing women by the p*ssy.

Kirk was an obvious right-wing fascist Nazi wannabe a-hole who probably had visions of being the leader of a new third Reich.

Or the new fourth Reich I would guess.

"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." -- Simon & Garfunkel, The Boxer

Mr. KIrk used his alleged faith to promote not the words of Christ, but his own RW agenda which has little to nothing to do with Jesus. IOW he used the Lord to spread division, distrust, demonization of "the other side." It's only fitting that his chosen party is now using his death to hammer enemies, stifle speech, demonize the Left, and further divide Americans.

Hate personified.

That was a great compilation. Of course, the alt Reich will say it's all taken out of context or that he was just using talk show bluster, but the darkness of Kirk's heart was on display every time he spoke.

Mocking is what the right does. Even though Kirk was a terrible bigot preaching how to tear America apart, we still mostly talk like adults. There are probably exceptions, but the right is overwhelmingly nasty. We know what Kirk was. We know what Trump is. They are disguising cruelty as saving us from foreigners. We do not need saving. We are all descendants of immigrants. They lie about them because Fascists have proven how well that works.

Charlie Kirk was a fascist

As a Christian l, I don’t believe in a place called Hell, or that Christ would allow anyone to go there.

Yes dead today, dead always

Kirk was a white xtian nationalist who got his wish

Look, you leftard fuckstick goobers, your ilk assassinating Charlie Kirk is not going away anytime soon and is hung 'round your scrawny
necks like The Scarlet Fucking Letter, and shall be for a long time to come, ok? Fuck You!
You earned it, you fuckin' turds! Enjoy, bitches!

PS: You're all soulless ghoul douchebags. Every single one quoted.
I left one out of this, because they showed humanity.
I bet over half of you tards don't even know what I'm talking about and that's how dumb you are.
Some of you have been infected with the dumb.
What is The Scarlet Letter you ghouls? Hmm?! You fuckin' shitbags? Tell me in your own words. Not no AI synopsis, you retards. Your own understanding, bitches.

 

[Nomad]

Look, you leftard fuckstick goobers, your ilk assassinating Charlie Kirk is not going away anytime soon and is hung 'round your scrawny
necks like The Scarlet Fucking Letter, and shall be for a long time to come, ok? Fuck You!
You earned it, you fuckin' turds! Enjoy, bitches!

PS: You're all soulless ghoul douchebags. Every single one quoted.
I left one out of this, because they showed humanity.
I bet over half of you tards don't even know what I'm talking about and that's how dumb you are.
Some of you have been infected with the dumb.
What is The Scarlet Letter you ghouls? Hmm?! You fuckin' shitbags? Tell me in your own words. Not no AI synopsis, you retards. Your own understanding, bitches.

Our ilk didn't assassinate Kirk.

Your ilk assassinated the Hortmans, though.

And their dog.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Our ilk didn't assassinate Kirk.

Your ilk assassinated the Hortmans, though.

And their dog.

Wrong.