Into the Night
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Strawman fallacy. Abortion is murder.
Why women have abortions
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Into the Night
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Random phrases. No apparent coherency.
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
Ahhhh, now I get it. You putting "yes" and "you embrace evil and eugenics" on separate lines made me think you were talking about separate things originally, but your repeating the same lines (with the subtraction of evil) in your response to my query for clarification has clarified things now.
Anyway, as I implied in the post that your first "yes." post was in response to, when it comes Eugenics, it's not as black and white as some people seem to think, which is why I quoted the rather lengthy introduction to the term from Wikipedia. I strongly suspect you didn't actually read the complete passage, so I've decided it would be best to just quote the last paragraph in their introduction and then comment on it:
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A progressive social movement promoting eugenics had originated in the 19th century,[10][11][12] with diverse support, but by the mid 20th century the term was closely associated with scientific racism and authoritarian coercion. With modern medical genetics, genetic testing and counseling have become common, and new or liberal eugenics rejects coercive programs in favor of individual parental choice.[13]
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Source:
Eugenics - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I've now read the bit about "new or liberal eugenics" and I think it's possible that this might be ok. Quoting from Wikipedia's page on New eugenics:
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New eugenics, also known as liberal eugenics (a term coined by bioethicist Nicholas Agar), [1] advocates enhancing human characteristics and capacities through the use of reproductive technology and human genetic engineering. Those who advocate for new eugenics generally think selecting or altering embryos should be left to the preferences of parents, rather than forbidden (or left to the preferences of the state). New eugenics purports to distinguish itself from the forms of eugenics practiced and advocated in the 20th century, which fell into disrepute after World War II.[2]
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Source:
New eugenics - Wikipedia
There's a film that actually gets into this type of eugenics that I thought was quite good, and it didn't just cover this 'new eugenics' in a positive light, far from it. Here's the trailer to the film in question:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_KruQhfvW4
Still, the idea of ensuring that children don't suffer from genetic problems is one that I for one would definitely want to spare any children I might have in the future and I know I'm not alone in that. Here's an article on the subject from last year:
The Ethics of Prenatal Genetic Testing
Is more information better when it comes to prenatal screening?magazine.hms.harvard.edu
yes.
prenatal care Is not eugenics.
eugenics is a demonic concept.
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
Because they are whores who can't control their urges
Scott
Verified User
or we can call it word games of all sorts. which is what sloganeering is.I don't think you really understand what sloganeering is. From Wordnet 3.0:
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persuasion by means of empty slogans
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Source:
sloganeering — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik
All the wordswww.wordnik.com
The above definition in turn requires an understanding of the word slogan. I think that Wikipedia's introduction to the word is pretty good:
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A slogan is a memorable motto or phrase used in a clan or a political, commercial, religious, or other context as a repetitive expression of an idea or purpose, with the goal of persuading members of the public or a more defined target group. The Oxford Dictionary of English defines a slogan as "a short and striking or memorable phrase used in advertising". [1] A slogan usually has the attributes of being memorable, very concise and appealing to the audience.[2]
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Source:
Slogan - Wikipedia
In other words, slogans are generally short phrases that are repeated and appealing to particular audiences. I think short phrases such as "baby murder lover" would definitely qualify. I believe such slogans are used to induce emotions in their target audience while also dampening efforts at actual discussions of controversial issues, such as abortion.
I suspect you read little from my previous post.
Looks like you're resorting to the ad hominem fallacy now:
Ad Hominem Fallacy (18 Examples + Definition)
You've probably stumbled across people arguing by attacking someone's character instead of their ideas. Maybe you've even been guilty of this yourself.
practicalpie.com
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
"Another" means "additional person".
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Such a strong language.
Scott
Verified User
I did list the reasons.I see no reason to discount the testimonies of actual women having abortions. If you feel there -are- good reasons to discount them, by all means, list them.Rubbish.After discussing why women have abortions in another thread whose topic definitely isn't abortions, I decided it would be better to make a thread for the subject instead. Below is an excerpt from an article that lists the different reasons women have abortions:
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Generally, people use the term “abortion” to refer to the intentional termination of a pregnancy.
The vast majority of abortions take place early in pregnancy. In 2020, 93.1% of abortions in the United States occurred at 13 weeks’ gestation or sooner.
The Turnaway study followed 954 people from across the United States who sought abortions between 2008 and 2010 to learn the reasons for and effects of pursuing pregnancy termination.
The responses fell into several broad themes, with many people reporting that a combination of factors influenced the decision.
Financial circumstances
Around 40% of people mentioned a financial reason for needing an abortion. Most of them had general financial concerns or said they could not afford to support a child.
Around 4% said a lack of employment contributed to their decision, and 0.6% said they terminated their pregnancies because of a lack of insurance or government assistance.
Timing
More than one-third (36%) of study participants cited reasons relating to timing. Some felt they were not emotionally or financially ready to have a baby, while others felt they were too old to have a child.
Partner-related reasons
Almost one-third (31%) of study participants gave reasons relating to their partner.
For example, some said they did not have a good or stable relationship with their partner or that their partner was unsupportive. Around 8% wanted to get married before having children. Others mentioned that they had a partner who was abusive or who did not want the baby.
Other responsibilities
Around 29% of people mentioned they needed to focus on their other children. They said they already felt overextended with their current children and would be overwhelmed by having another. A small percentage of people thought that having a baby would adversely affect their other children and quality of life.
Additionally, about 20% of people reported having an abortion because the timing would interfere with their future opportunities and goals. They felt they could not continue their education or advance their careers while raising a baby.
Emotions and mental health
Around 19% of people in the study expressed that they were emotionally or mentally unprepared for a child. They mentioned not having the mental capacity to have a baby or not feeling mentally stable enough to raise a child.
Other health-related reasons
Approximately 12% of individuals mentioned health-related reasons for having an abortion, such as:
- concerns for their health
- concerns for the health of the fetus
- drug, tobacco, or alcohol use
- non-illegal prescription drug or birth control use
- worsening of existing health issues, such as back pain and diabetes
- mental health concerns
- the effect of medications for existing health conditions on the fetus
Inability to provide for a baby
Some people — around 12% — chose abortion because of their desire for a better life for the child than they could provide. They mentioned feeling inadequate and unable to care for themselves or a child.
Other people said their housing situation was unsuitable for a baby.
Not independent or mature enough for a baby
Just under 7% of people reported a lack of maturity or said they had to rely on other people. Some explained that they felt they were too young for a baby and were unprepared for parenthood.
Influences from family and friends
About 5% of people described influences from family and friends as a reason they chose abortion. They worried that a child would be a strain on their family or that they would experience judgment from others.
Some people had an abortion because they were too scared to tell their parents about their pregnancy, while a small proportion had pressure from family to end their pregnancy.
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Full article:
The reasons for abortion: Statistics, safety, and access
There are many reasons for abortion, ranging from serious health risks and family planning to financial concerns. Learn more here.www.medicalnewstoday.com
If that's truly the case, you should have no problem repeating or quoting said reasons.
What do you think?
Car crashes are 100% avoidable too- just don't go anywhere near a car and you're safe. In life, risks tend to be unavoidable at times. Due to this fact, we have to weigh potential risks against potential rewards. I think we can agree that most if not all people make mistakes when caculating the risk/reward ratios. Also keep in mind that when it comes to unwanted pregnancies, we only hear about those who lost the bet. We tend not to hear much from those who avoided unwanted pregnancies even though they took risks where it might have happened.
I suspect that by unforeseen medical issues, you are referring to the "life threatening risk" category that's cited in the article referenced and quoted in the opening post of this thread. Quoting from it:
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Some people have life threatening health conditions that arise later in pregnancy. In these situations, a person may need or want to end a pregnancy to protect themselves or save their life.
Examples of life threatening conditions that can develop later in pregnancy include:
- severe preeclampsia
- cancer requiring immediate treatment
- intrauterine infection with premature amniotic sac rupture
Source:
The reasons for abortion: Statistics, safety, and access
There are many reasons for abortion, ranging from serious health risks and family planning to financial concerns. Learn more here.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Is that what you were referring to?
Scott
Verified User
You may wish to read the following article on the ad hominem fallacy:
Ad Hominem Fallacy (18 Examples + Definition)
You've probably stumbled across people arguing by attacking someone's character instead of their ideas. Maybe you've even been guilty of this yourself.
practicalpie.com
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
You are dismissed, baby killer assclown.You may wish to read the following article on the ad hominem fallacy:
Ad Hominem Fallacy (18 Examples + Definition)
You've probably stumbled across people arguing by attacking someone's character instead of their ideas. Maybe you've even been guilty of this yourself.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
He has no way shown he supports baby killing.You are dismissed, baby killer assclown.
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
yes, babies are living humans.
you're still just doing word games.
de facto realities exist outside the lies you tell yourself.
did you know that?
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
no.I suspect you read little from my previous post.
Looks like you're resorting to the ad hominem fallacy now:
Ad Hominem Fallacy (18 Examples + Definition)
You've probably stumbled across people arguing by attacking someone's character instead of their ideas. Maybe you've even been guilty of this yourself.
Im accurately describing you just doing more word games.
did YOU know that de facto realities exist outside the lies you tell yourself?
Scott
Verified User
I certainly hope you're joking about his Ukraine posts. According to HE10, Ukraine asked to be invaded, it's infrastructure destroyed, it's women and children kidnapped and raped.Come on Lurch, do you really think your post helped in this discussion about abortion? I also personally think that Hawkeye has had a lot of good posts, particularly on subjects such as the war in Ukraine, as well as many flaws of the United States government.If only your mom had had one - we'd never have had to deal with your moronic bullshit!42% were getting their second or more abortion......that begins to sound like a lifestyle choice.
One in Four US Women Expected to Have an Abortion in Their Lifetime
www.guttmacher.org
I suspect I've read a lot more of Hawkeye's posts on the subject than you have and I don't agree that those are his positions on the war in Ukraine.
If you'd like to get a feel for my position on the war in Ukraine, I suggest taking a look at this thread:
But -this- thread isn't about the war in Ukraine at all. I just brought up the war in Ukraine to demonstrate that on some subjects, I'm in general agreement with Hawkeye. I suspect that on the subject of abortions, we might be more in agreement. Care to elaborate on your views on the subject?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
There are no word games.
Scott
Verified User
On the contrary, in a discussion, what the participants believe shapes the entire discussion.
Scott
Verified User
If you're asking why I continue to point out when metaphors are twisted, my answer is that I want to avoid muddying the waters of the discussion.
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
you're ALL word games, chump.
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
contract killing is accurate.
