Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People

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Since almost every thread is about Kirk, here's another one. This speaks to his influence. I knew who he was but was never a fan. Didn't care for his provocative style. But I have to admit, I didn't know how influential he was. And based on the reactions of this board, neither did many others. It's really a generational thing. His appeal and popularity were largely with Gen Z (not exactly this board's demographic).

Trump likely wouldn't have won this past election without Kirk turning out young voters like he did. Politically speaking, going forward, we'll find out if someone can pick up his mantle or the conservative movement on campuses starts to fade.



Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People

It was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk


When Olivia Hubbard left Iowa to attend college, she thought she was going to get a break from the conservatism her dad was always touting. Instead, she was politically awakened.

Hubbard, now 19 years old, was convinced by a roommate to see Charlie Kirk last year when he visited Grand Canyon University, 20 minutes from the headquarters of Kirk’s organization, Turning Point USA. Listening to Kirk speak, Hubbard said, was like hearing all of her beliefs articulated clearly.

“I thought it was supercool that there’s someone younger who was going to all these universities, and who did believe in God and really made that known,” said Hubbard, who is Christian. From that moment on she was hooked, staying up late watching videos of Kirk debating liberal students on other college campuses.

Kirk was killed Wednesday during a visit to Utah Valley University. The 31-year-old had become a standard-bearer of the MAGA movement and has been credited by President Trump for building his support with young people and helping ensure his return to office.

Mourners watched the arrival of Charlie Kirk's casket at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix on Thursday. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ
A master of 21st century mass media, Kirk accomplished what Republicans had failed to do for decades: break through with younger generations. Regardless of whether they supported him or not, it was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk.

For a generation of young conservatives, he inspired them to proudly tout their views, including opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. Countless others said his views were discriminatory and offensive. Love him or hate him, Kirk was ubiquitous.

Kirk also used social media to connect directly with young people whose views he wanted to elevate, messaging people directly to offer mentorship and launch careers. He boosted a new class of young conservative influencers, political aides and lawmakers, successfully lobbying Trump to pick JD Vance as his vice president.

“Charlie is the reason why I’m in Congress today,” Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, (R., Fla.) said in an interview. Kirk recruited Luna, 36, to work at his grassroots conservative organization, Turning Point USA, as director of Hispanic engagement in 2018. She went on to become the first federally elected alumni of his organization.

Luna said Kirk was successful in part because he knew how to use social media “to connect with the generation that’s grown up in a digital age.” Kirk’s Instagram account had more than 12 million followers.

Riley Gaines, 25, a conservative activist and former college swimmer who campaigns against transgender women participating in female sports, said Kirk deployed her to college campuses to speak with students about her experience.

“It’s Charlie who really gave me a platform, inviting me early on to just speak with him about it, offering his advice, his guidance,” said Gaines.

The legacy of Kirk’s message varies depending on whom you ask.

The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”

“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said.


His impact was undeniable. In 2020, then-candidate Joe Biden easily won voters 18-29 with nearly two thirds of the vote. By 2024, Trump closed the gap to 4 percentage points behind then-Vice President Kamala Harris. He outright won a majority of young men, according to data from AP VoteCast, an election survey.

“He’s probably the most influential person in our generation,” Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, a student at GCU, said through tears Thursday. Ahrenstorff said she and her roommates had huddled in their living room watching Fox News for updates, praying for Kirk to survive.

Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ

Kirk also mastered live events, drawing thousands of excited college students to his appearances, either eager to hear him dunk on a liberal or hoping to see him get schooled by a debate opponent. He invited people of any political persuasion to spar with him under a plastic tent at his “Prove Me Wrong” events—“bring the best libs that Utah has to offer,” he said before he was killed Wednesday.

“That was his happy place was to be out under that tent, debating with people, and then just being out in the crowd of students,” said Carson Carpenter, 20, the former president of the College Republicans at ASU who also organized with Turning Point.

Several liberal students who debated him said after his death that while they vehemently disagreed with many of his views, they appreciated his willingness to debate and said conversations were respectful.


Kirk was hard to ignore. “There was this buzz going around” when he came to campus, said Mahogany McDougle, 18, a GCU student.

Kirk also built a formidable grassroots political machine. His organization, Turning Point USA, became a Republican hub on college campuses at a time when some conservative students felt isolated. It claims more than 250,000 student members with 3,500 college chapters at schools ranging from small private Christian universities to large public universities and Ivy League schools.

Attendees at a Turning Point USA event at Ohio State University where Kirk spoke in 2019. Photo: Megan jelinger/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
Taylor Rogers, 24, an assistant press secretary at the White House, started a Turning Point USA chapter at Clemson University that became the largest chapter in the country at the time. She first met Kirk at a campus event. “In some way, he influenced everyone who is my age that is working in the White House today.”

Beyond his impact on campus, several prominent conservative influencers say Kirk was a mentor who encouraged their activism from a young age.


Brilyn Hollyhand, 19, a freshman at Auburn University, was only in the fourth grade when he invited Kirk to come on his own podcast. He was surprised that Kirk not only responded to him, but also agreed to join. The show ended up going 30 minutes past the scheduled time.

According to Hollyhand, when he asked Kirk why he had agreed to talk, Kirk said, “‘I give campus speeches begging Gen Z to get off the sidelines. And here’s a Gen Z member, you know, off the sidelines in the fight.’ And he was, like, ‘I wanted to reward you, and I wanted to thank you.’”

 
Since almost every thread is about Kirk, here's another one. This speaks to his influence. I knew who he was but was never a fan. Didn't care for his provocative style. But I have to admit, I didn't know how influential he was. And based on the reactions of this board, neither did many others. It's really a generational thing. His appeal and popularity were largely with Gen Z (not exactly this board's demographic).

Trump likely wouldn't have won this past election without Kirk turning out young voters like he did. Politically speaking, going forward, we'll find out if someone can pick up his mantle or the conservative movement on campuses starts to fade.



Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People

It was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk


When Olivia Hubbard left Iowa to attend college, she thought she was going to get a break from the conservatism her dad was always touting. Instead, she was politically awakened.

Hubbard, now 19 years old, was convinced by a roommate to see Charlie Kirk last year when he visited Grand Canyon University, 20 minutes from the headquarters of Kirk’s organization, Turning Point USA. Listening to Kirk speak, Hubbard said, was like hearing all of her beliefs articulated clearly.

“I thought it was supercool that there’s someone younger who was going to all these universities, and who did believe in God and really made that known,” said Hubbard, who is Christian. From that moment on she was hooked, staying up late watching videos of Kirk debating liberal students on other college campuses.

Kirk was killed Wednesday during a visit to Utah Valley University. The 31-year-old had become a standard-bearer of the MAGA movement and has been credited by President Trump for building his support with young people and helping ensure his return to office.

Mourners watched the arrival of Charlie Kirk's casket at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix on Thursday. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ
A master of 21st century mass media, Kirk accomplished what Republicans had failed to do for decades: break through with younger generations. Regardless of whether they supported him or not, it was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk.

For a generation of young conservatives, he inspired them to proudly tout their views, including opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. Countless others said his views were discriminatory and offensive. Love him or hate him, Kirk was ubiquitous.

Kirk also used social media to connect directly with young people whose views he wanted to elevate, messaging people directly to offer mentorship and launch careers. He boosted a new class of young conservative influencers, political aides and lawmakers, successfully lobbying Trump to pick JD Vance as his vice president.

“Charlie is the reason why I’m in Congress today,” Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, (R., Fla.) said in an interview. Kirk recruited Luna, 36, to work at his grassroots conservative organization, Turning Point USA, as director of Hispanic engagement in 2018. She went on to become the first federally elected alumni of his organization.

Luna said Kirk was successful in part because he knew how to use social media “to connect with the generation that’s grown up in a digital age.” Kirk’s Instagram account had more than 12 million followers.

Riley Gaines, 25, a conservative activist and former college swimmer who campaigns against transgender women participating in female sports, said Kirk deployed her to college campuses to speak with students about her experience.

“It’s Charlie who really gave me a platform, inviting me early on to just speak with him about it, offering his advice, his guidance,” said Gaines.

The legacy of Kirk’s message varies depending on whom you ask.

The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”

“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said.


His impact was undeniable. In 2020, then-candidate Joe Biden easily won voters 18-29 with nearly two thirds of the vote. By 2024, Trump closed the gap to 4 percentage points behind then-Vice President Kamala Harris. He outright won a majority of young men, according to data from AP VoteCast, an election survey.

“He’s probably the most influential person in our generation,” Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, a student at GCU, said through tears Thursday. Ahrenstorff said she and her roommates had huddled in their living room watching Fox News for updates, praying for Kirk to survive.

Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ

Kirk also mastered live events, drawing thousands of excited college students to his appearances, either eager to hear him dunk on a liberal or hoping to see him get schooled by a debate opponent. He invited people of any political persuasion to spar with him under a plastic tent at his “Prove Me Wrong” events—“bring the best libs that Utah has to offer,” he said before he was killed Wednesday.

“That was his happy place was to be out under that tent, debating with people, and then just being out in the crowd of students,” said Carson Carpenter, 20, the former president of the College Republicans at ASU who also organized with Turning Point.

Several liberal students who debated him said after his death that while they vehemently disagreed with many of his views, they appreciated his willingness to debate and said conversations were respectful.


Kirk was hard to ignore. “There was this buzz going around” when he came to campus, said Mahogany McDougle, 18, a GCU student.

Kirk also built a formidable grassroots political machine. His organization, Turning Point USA, became a Republican hub on college campuses at a time when some conservative students felt isolated. It claims more than 250,000 student members with 3,500 college chapters at schools ranging from small private Christian universities to large public universities and Ivy League schools.

Attendees at a Turning Point USA event at Ohio State University where Kirk spoke in 2019. Photo: Megan jelinger/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
Taylor Rogers, 24, an assistant press secretary at the White House, started a Turning Point USA chapter at Clemson University that became the largest chapter in the country at the time. She first met Kirk at a campus event. “In some way, he influenced everyone who is my age that is working in the White House today.”

Beyond his impact on campus, several prominent conservative influencers say Kirk was a mentor who encouraged their activism from a young age.


Brilyn Hollyhand, 19, a freshman at Auburn University, was only in the fourth grade when he invited Kirk to come on his own podcast. He was surprised that Kirk not only responded to him, but also agreed to join. The show ended up going 30 minutes past the scheduled time.

According to Hollyhand, when he asked Kirk why he had agreed to talk, Kirk said, “‘I give campus speeches begging Gen Z to get off the sidelines. And here’s a Gen Z member, you know, off the sidelines in the fight.’ And he was, like, ‘I wanted to reward you, and I wanted to thank you.’”

Yes, Charlie broke through to all the white nationalist disaffected youth category.....and then was shot by of them. Oh, the irony!
 
Since almost every thread is about Kirk, here's another one. This speaks to his influence. I knew who he was but was never a fan. Didn't care for his provocative style. But I have to admit, I didn't know how influential he was. And based on the reactions of this board, neither did many others. It's really a generational thing. His appeal and popularity were largely with Gen Z (not exactly this board's demographic).

Trump likely wouldn't have won this past election without Kirk turning out young voters like he did. Politically speaking, going forward, we'll find out if someone can pick up his mantle or the conservative movement on campuses starts to fade.



Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People

It was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk


When Olivia Hubbard left Iowa to attend college, she thought she was going to get a break from the conservatism her dad was always touting. Instead, she was politically awakened.

Hubbard, now 19 years old, was convinced by a roommate to see Charlie Kirk last year when he visited Grand Canyon University, 20 minutes from the headquarters of Kirk’s organization, Turning Point USA. Listening to Kirk speak, Hubbard said, was like hearing all of her beliefs articulated clearly.

“I thought it was supercool that there’s someone younger who was going to all these universities, and who did believe in God and really made that known,” said Hubbard, who is Christian. From that moment on she was hooked, staying up late watching videos of Kirk debating liberal students on other college campuses.

Kirk was killed Wednesday during a visit to Utah Valley University. The 31-year-old had become a standard-bearer of the MAGA movement and has been credited by President Trump for building his support with young people and helping ensure his return to office.

Mourners watched the arrival of Charlie Kirk's casket at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix on Thursday. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ
A master of 21st century mass media, Kirk accomplished what Republicans had failed to do for decades: break through with younger generations. Regardless of whether they supported him or not, it was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk.

For a generation of young conservatives, he inspired them to proudly tout their views, including opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. Countless others said his views were discriminatory and offensive. Love him or hate him, Kirk was ubiquitous.

Kirk also used social media to connect directly with young people whose views he wanted to elevate, messaging people directly to offer mentorship and launch careers. He boosted a new class of young conservative influencers, political aides and lawmakers, successfully lobbying Trump to pick JD Vance as his vice president.

“Charlie is the reason why I’m in Congress today,” Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, (R., Fla.) said in an interview. Kirk recruited Luna, 36, to work at his grassroots conservative organization, Turning Point USA, as director of Hispanic engagement in 2018. She went on to become the first federally elected alumni of his organization.

Luna said Kirk was successful in part because he knew how to use social media “to connect with the generation that’s grown up in a digital age.” Kirk’s Instagram account had more than 12 million followers.

Riley Gaines, 25, a conservative activist and former college swimmer who campaigns against transgender women participating in female sports, said Kirk deployed her to college campuses to speak with students about her experience.

“It’s Charlie who really gave me a platform, inviting me early on to just speak with him about it, offering his advice, his guidance,” said Gaines.

The legacy of Kirk’s message varies depending on whom you ask.

The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”

“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said.


His impact was undeniable. In 2020, then-candidate Joe Biden easily won voters 18-29 with nearly two thirds of the vote. By 2024, Trump closed the gap to 4 percentage points behind then-Vice President Kamala Harris. He outright won a majority of young men, according to data from AP VoteCast, an election survey.

“He’s probably the most influential person in our generation,” Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, a student at GCU, said through tears Thursday. Ahrenstorff said she and her roommates had huddled in their living room watching Fox News for updates, praying for Kirk to survive.

Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ

Kirk also mastered live events, drawing thousands of excited college students to his appearances, either eager to hear him dunk on a liberal or hoping to see him get schooled by a debate opponent. He invited people of any political persuasion to spar with him under a plastic tent at his “Prove Me Wrong” events—“bring the best libs that Utah has to offer,” he said before he was killed Wednesday.

“That was his happy place was to be out under that tent, debating with people, and then just being out in the crowd of students,” said Carson Carpenter, 20, the former president of the College Republicans at ASU who also organized with Turning Point.

Several liberal students who debated him said after his death that while they vehemently disagreed with many of his views, they appreciated his willingness to debate and said conversations were respectful.


Kirk was hard to ignore. “There was this buzz going around” when he came to campus, said Mahogany McDougle, 18, a GCU student.

Kirk also built a formidable grassroots political machine. His organization, Turning Point USA, became a Republican hub on college campuses at a time when some conservative students felt isolated. It claims more than 250,000 student members with 3,500 college chapters at schools ranging from small private Christian universities to large public universities and Ivy League schools.

Attendees at a Turning Point USA event at Ohio State University where Kirk spoke in 2019. Photo: Megan jelinger/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
Taylor Rogers, 24, an assistant press secretary at the White House, started a Turning Point USA chapter at Clemson University that became the largest chapter in the country at the time. She first met Kirk at a campus event. “In some way, he influenced everyone who is my age that is working in the White House today.”

Beyond his impact on campus, several prominent conservative influencers say Kirk was a mentor who encouraged their activism from a young age.


Brilyn Hollyhand, 19, a freshman at Auburn University, was only in the fourth grade when he invited Kirk to come on his own podcast. He was surprised that Kirk not only responded to him, but also agreed to join. The show ended up going 30 minutes past the scheduled time.

According to Hollyhand, when he asked Kirk why he had agreed to talk, Kirk said, “‘I give campus speeches begging Gen Z to get off the sidelines. And here’s a Gen Z member, you know, off the sidelines in the fight.’ And he was, like, ‘I wanted to reward you, and I wanted to thank you.’”

Kirk was a believer in free speech, and I really respect that coming from a party that is not so sure about it.

He was generally very respectful of those he debated and discussed things with, but he was also one who promoted sides. We have to stop that and respect when others have a different opinion, there really is, on most questions not a right or wrong. I believe he significantly misunderstood the Constitution and was causing harm by spreading false information to young people searching for an identity. He also went off the rails sometimes and spouted angary rhetoric. Nobody is perfect, I've done that plenty. I think its his failure to have a debate where he actually listened to the person talking to him and his failure to try to learn from the other person were his greatest failures. Many college age kids are searching for an identity, and he provided a prepackaged one ready for them to adopt, instead of educating them so they could develop their own identity. Young people need to do the work to develop their own ideology and identity, not have a pre-packaged one pushed on them.
 
Kirk was a believer in free speech, and I really respect that coming from a party that is not so sure about it.

He was generally very respectful of those he debated and discussed things with, but he was also one who promoted sides. We have to stop that and respect when others have a different opinion, there really is, on most questions not a right or wrong. I believe he significantly misunderstood the Constitution and was causing harm by spreading false information to young people searching for an identity. He also went off the rails sometimes and spouted angary rhetoric. Nobody is perfect, I've done that plenty. I think its his failure to have a debate where he actually listened to the person talking to him and his failure to try to learn from the other person were his greatest failures. Many college age kids are searching for an identity, and he provided a prepackaged one ready for them to adopt, instead of educating them so they could develop their own identity. Young people need to do the work to develop their own ideology and identity, not have a pre-packaged one pushed on them.
He was smooth, yes, but he was pushing ideas that were contrary to both our Constitution and Christianity. Ergo, he only believed in free speech for white men.
 
He was smooth, yes, but he was pushing ideas that were contrary to both our Constitution and Christianity. Ergo, he only believed in free speech for white men.
Yes, I agree, and he made a lot of money doing it.

He had that right, but I think it was harmful to the nation.
 
He was smooth, yes, but he was pushing ideas that were contrary to both our Constitution and Christianity. Ergo, he only believed in free speech for white men.
I've been thinking about the people who his message appealed to. What's wrong in their lives that they latched onto the words of a demagogue? Why were divisive comments like this resonating with them? Like you, I'm trying to get inside their heads. ;)

"The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”

“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said."
 
Kirk was a believer in free speech, and I really respect that coming from a party that is not so sure about it.

He was generally very respectful of those he debated and discussed things with, but he was also one who promoted sides. We have to stop that and respect when others have a different opinion, there really is, on most questions not a right or wrong. I believe he significantly misunderstood the Constitution and was causing harm by spreading false information to young people searching for an identity. He also went off the rails sometimes and spouted angary rhetoric. Nobody is perfect, I've done that plenty. I think its his failure to have a debate where he actually listened to the person talking to him and his failure to try to learn from the other person were his greatest failures. Many college age kids are searching for an identity, and he provided a prepackaged one ready for them to adopt, instead of educating them so they could develop their own identity. Young people need to do the work to develop their own ideology and identity, not have a pre-packaged one pushed on them.
I do agree completely about the need for open dialogue in our country, especially on college campuses. We've become so polarized that we would rather go into our silos and dehumanize those we disagree with, rather than speak to each other.

Part of Kirk’s schtick was trying to dunk on others because it makes for great social media clips (though in fairness, that’s hardly unique to him, it’s the world we live in). So while it was dialogue, it often wasn’t a true discussion. That said, he did create space for dialogue and we need more of it.
 
I do agree completely about the need for open dialogue in our country, especially on college campuses. We've become so polarized that we would rather go into our silos and dehumanize those we disagree with, rather than speak to each other.

Part of Kirk’s schtick was trying to dunk on others because it makes for great social media clips (though in fairness, that’s hardly unique to him, it’s the world we live in). So while it was dialogue, it often wasn’t a true discussion. That said, he did create space for dialogue and we need more of it.
I thought it was a bit pitiful because he was punching down against people who were very uneducated on the things he understood very well.
 
We need more Charlie Kirks. At every level in the political spectrum.

I think if Kirk & I sat down to talk about the issues, we'd agree on about 10% of 'em (being generous). But I know the conversation would be intellectually invigorating. He'd either persuade me, or strengthen my own convictions, and either way I'd be grateful.

This whole past few days has really changed my outlook on life, people & politics. Like, why are we so afraid of opinions & disagreeing? Wouldn't the country be boring if we all agreed on everything? We can disagree, and still be respectful, and friendly.
 
I've been thinking about the people who his message appealed to. What's wrong in their lives that they latched onto the words of a demagogue? Why were divisive comments like this resonating with them? Like you, I'm trying to get inside their heads. ;)

"The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”

“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said."
You know I say this with all due respect and also that I wasn't a fan of Kirk's. Yes, he was provocative but no he wasn't a demogogue. You’re a liberal, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but naturally a conservative message isn’t going to appeal to you.

To young conservative leaning people who feel their voices are silenced on campuses, Turning Point USA gave them a voice. Supporting that doesn't mean they agree with everything Kirk said. Plenty of people who admired Kirk stated as such.

You don’t have to agree with it but if you really want to understand why his message resonated, that’s it.
 
You know I say this with all due respect and also that I wasn't a fan of Kirk's. Yes, he was provocative but no he wasn't a demogogue. You’re a liberal, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but naturally a conservative message isn’t going to appeal to you.

To young conservative leaning people who feel their voices are silenced on campuses, Turning Point USA gave them a voice. Supporting that doesn't mean they agree with everything Kirk said. Plenty of people who admired Kirk stated as such.

You don’t have to agree with it but if you really want to understand why his message resonated, that’s it.
I'm saying that appealing to someone's baser instincts seems counterproductive. Kirk traveled to college campuses. These are kids who can afford to be where they are and didn't have to start work at minimum wage right out of high school. Yet, IMO the message they got from Kirk was "The Others are taking something that belongs to you and you have to fight back." It's not about taking responsibility for your own life and future.

You don't have to demonize the majority of the country. You don't have to pretend that there's a limited amount of (money, good, services, recognition) and it's every man for himself. I didn't like Kirk's divisive comments, which he seemed to model after trump's.
 
Since almost every thread is about Kirk, here's another one. This speaks to his influence. I knew who he was but was never a fan. Didn't care for his provocative style. But I have to admit, I didn't know how influential he was. And based on the reactions of this board, neither did many others. It's really a generational thing. His appeal and popularity were largely with Gen Z (not exactly this board's demographic).

Trump likely wouldn't have won this past election without Kirk turning out young voters like he did. Politically speaking, going forward, we'll find out if someone can pick up his mantle or the conservative movement on campuses starts to fade.



Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People

It was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk


When Olivia Hubbard left Iowa to attend college, she thought she was going to get a break from the conservatism her dad was always touting. Instead, she was politically awakened.

Hubbard, now 19 years old, was convinced by a roommate to see Charlie Kirk last year when he visited Grand Canyon University, 20 minutes from the headquarters of Kirk’s organization, Turning Point USA. Listening to Kirk speak, Hubbard said, was like hearing all of her beliefs articulated clearly.

“I thought it was supercool that there’s someone younger who was going to all these universities, and who did believe in God and really made that known,” said Hubbard, who is Christian. From that moment on she was hooked, staying up late watching videos of Kirk debating liberal students on other college campuses.

Kirk was killed Wednesday during a visit to Utah Valley University. The 31-year-old had become a standard-bearer of the MAGA movement and has been credited by President Trump for building his support with young people and helping ensure his return to office.

Mourners watched the arrival of Charlie Kirk's casket at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix on Thursday. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ
A master of 21st century mass media, Kirk accomplished what Republicans had failed to do for decades: break through with younger generations. Regardless of whether they supported him or not, it was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk.

For a generation of young conservatives, he inspired them to proudly tout their views, including opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. Countless others said his views were discriminatory and offensive. Love him or hate him, Kirk was ubiquitous.

Kirk also used social media to connect directly with young people whose views he wanted to elevate, messaging people directly to offer mentorship and launch careers. He boosted a new class of young conservative influencers, political aides and lawmakers, successfully lobbying Trump to pick JD Vance as his vice president.

“Charlie is the reason why I’m in Congress today,” Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, (R., Fla.) said in an interview. Kirk recruited Luna, 36, to work at his grassroots conservative organization, Turning Point USA, as director of Hispanic engagement in 2018. She went on to become the first federally elected alumni of his organization.

Luna said Kirk was successful in part because he knew how to use social media “to connect with the generation that’s grown up in a digital age.” Kirk’s Instagram account had more than 12 million followers.

Riley Gaines, 25, a conservative activist and former college swimmer who campaigns against transgender women participating in female sports, said Kirk deployed her to college campuses to speak with students about her experience.

“It’s Charlie who really gave me a platform, inviting me early on to just speak with him about it, offering his advice, his guidance,” said Gaines.

The legacy of Kirk’s message varies depending on whom you ask.

The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”

“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said.


His impact was undeniable. In 2020, then-candidate Joe Biden easily won voters 18-29 with nearly two thirds of the vote. By 2024, Trump closed the gap to 4 percentage points behind then-Vice President Kamala Harris. He outright won a majority of young men, according to data from AP VoteCast, an election survey.

“He’s probably the most influential person in our generation,” Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, a student at GCU, said through tears Thursday. Ahrenstorff said she and her roommates had huddled in their living room watching Fox News for updates, praying for Kirk to survive.

Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ

Kirk also mastered live events, drawing thousands of excited college students to his appearances, either eager to hear him dunk on a liberal or hoping to see him get schooled by a debate opponent. He invited people of any political persuasion to spar with him under a plastic tent at his “Prove Me Wrong” events—“bring the best libs that Utah has to offer,” he said before he was killed Wednesday.

“That was his happy place was to be out under that tent, debating with people, and then just being out in the crowd of students,” said Carson Carpenter, 20, the former president of the College Republicans at ASU who also organized with Turning Point.

Several liberal students who debated him said after his death that while they vehemently disagreed with many of his views, they appreciated his willingness to debate and said conversations were respectful.


Kirk was hard to ignore. “There was this buzz going around” when he came to campus, said Mahogany McDougle, 18, a GCU student.

Kirk also built a formidable grassroots political machine. His organization, Turning Point USA, became a Republican hub on college campuses at a time when some conservative students felt isolated. It claims more than 250,000 student members with 3,500 college chapters at schools ranging from small private Christian universities to large public universities and Ivy League schools.

Attendees at a Turning Point USA event at Ohio State University where Kirk spoke in 2019. Photo: Megan jelinger/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
Taylor Rogers, 24, an assistant press secretary at the White House, started a Turning Point USA chapter at Clemson University that became the largest chapter in the country at the time. She first met Kirk at a campus event. “In some way, he influenced everyone who is my age that is working in the White House today.”

Beyond his impact on campus, several prominent conservative influencers say Kirk was a mentor who encouraged their activism from a young age.


Brilyn Hollyhand, 19, a freshman at Auburn University, was only in the fourth grade when he invited Kirk to come on his own podcast. He was surprised that Kirk not only responded to him, but also agreed to join. The show ended up going 30 minutes past the scheduled time.

According to Hollyhand, when he asked Kirk why he had agreed to talk, Kirk said, “‘I give campus speeches begging Gen Z to get off the sidelines. And here’s a Gen Z member, you know, off the sidelines in the fight.’ And he was, like, ‘I wanted to reward you, and I wanted to thank you.’”

Social media is the “generational thing,” younger adults, particularly male, are centered upon it, especially the negative side, for information and understanding of the events evolving around them. Doubtful the kid who shot him listened to Kirk other than the hate reviews he got off the web

Yes he probably filled some gap, especially the vacuum left when the MAGA movement separated itself from the established GOP and traditional conservative principles, which I’d say is why Trump and his GOP are so effected by the tragedy

I couldn’t attest how much he himself effected the election, I’ve heard some say Joe Rogan or even Musk’s money did likewise, difficult to determine
 
I'm saying that appealing to someone's baser instincts seems counterproductive. Kirk traveled to college campuses. These are kids who can afford to be where they are and didn't have to start work at minimum wage right out of high school. Yet, IMO the message they got from Kirk was "The Others are taking something that belongs to you and you have to fight back." It's not about taking responsibility for your own life and future.

You don't have to demonize the majority of the country. You don't have to pretend that there's a limited amount of (money, good, services, recognition) and it's every man for himself. I didn't like Kirk's divisive comments, which he seemed to model after trump's.
Good observation
 
I'm saying that appealing to someone's baser instincts seems counterproductive. Kirk traveled to college campuses. These are kids who can afford to be where they are and didn't have to start work at minimum wage right out of high school. Yet, IMO the message they got from Kirk was "The Others are taking something that belongs to you and you have to fight back." It's not about taking responsibility for your own life and future.

You don't have to demonize the majority of the country. You don't have to pretend that there's a limited amount of (money, good, services, recognition) and it's every man for himself. I didn't like Kirk's divisive comments, which he seemed to model after trump's.
If you weren't so ignorant, I wouldn't have so much fun laughing at your posts.
 
I'm saying that appealing to someone's baser instincts seems counterproductive. Kirk traveled to college campuses. These are kids who can afford to be where they are and didn't have to start work at minimum wage right out of high school. Yet, IMO the message they got from Kirk was "The Others are taking something that belongs to you and you have to fight back." It's not about taking responsibility for your own life and future.

You don't have to demonize the majority of the country. You don't have to pretend that there's a limited amount of (money, good, services, recognition) and it's every man for himself. I didn't like Kirk's divisive comments, which he seemed to model after trump's.
He actually messaged almost exactly opposite to that, especially on the taking responsibility portion. I don't believe you have watched more than bumper sticker moments and attempts at gotchas of any of his programs.

Shoot... You should listen to this one. If you listen to only the bumper sticker version, you'd think like you did.

But if you listen to the context... It's all about taking responsibility.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBqAjG0VOfo
 
I'm saying that appealing to someone's baser instincts seems counterproductive. Kirk traveled to college campuses. These are kids who can afford to be where they are and didn't have to start work at minimum wage right out of high school. Yet, IMO the message they got from Kirk was "The Others are taking something that belongs to you and you have to fight back." It's not about taking responsibility for your own life and future.

You don't have to demonize the majority of the country. You don't have to pretend that there's a limited amount of (money, good, services, recognition) and it's every man for himself. I didn't like Kirk's divisive comments, which he seemed to model after trump's.
MAGAts are all about baser instincts. They deeply believe in a Zero Sum Game. In their world there are only winners and losers, those with and those without. They seek to be winners by taking from those they consider to be losers. Fox News recommending murdering the homeless is an example of this belief.

MAGAts are a dark evil over the land.

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We need more Charlie Kirks. At every level in the political spectrum.

I think if Kirk & I sat down to talk about the issues, we'd agree on about 10% of 'em (being generous). But I know the conversation would be intellectually invigorating. He'd either persuade me, or strengthen my own convictions, and either way I'd be grateful.

This whole past few days has really changed my outlook on life, people & politics. Like, why are we so afraid of opinions & disagreeing? Wouldn't the country be boring if we all agreed on everything? We can disagree, and still be respectful, and friendly.
So the death of Charlie Kirk was not in vain. Your response is echoed by thousands of people who changed their straight line thought pattern and started questioning.

I ignored much of what Kirk said, but found most of his conversations with young people to be very entertaining, much like Jesse Watters man on the street interviews. Even though I know they are selective, the ignorance of some young adults astounds me.
I applaud you for your admission, and that is why I try to pay attention to some of the left wing media outlets.
Good on you.
BTW, the memes will not stop, but my respect for you and a small few of others here has grown.
 
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