A much more accurate poll.

USFREEDOM911 said:
Then why aren't more of those who voted no, encouraging their associates to vote??
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That should have been clear. They don't feel as strongly about it. We have all been a part of the email chains on silly polls like this. We have seen them posted to this board. I have posted them myself.

Like I said, I am not so sure it accurately demonstrates passion. But if not then it demonstrates absolutely nothing. They are not remotely accurate in judging actual public opinion. If they were all polls and consumer research would be done that way as it is much cheaper. Where they are used many respondents are ignored and demographics are used to help ensure a good sample.

It's just unbelievable that you continue to argue this. You are either <9 years old or really stupid. I was going to say 12, but at 12 I might not have known this but I certainly would have been able to understand it.

There are no controls on most web polls to ensure the sample is representative of the population. This poll does not even seem to have many controls to ensure someone or many are not just cheating it. I don't see any need to assume that, since there is no method to the sample selection anyway.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
This is just the mindset of those that want to ignore what over 1 million people have taken the time to voice. :pke:
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Nope, we have taken full notice that 1 million (assuming no one cheated it) people TOOK THE TIME TO VOICE THEIR OPINION on this. That's the problem. You have not taken note or you are too stupid to understand the problem with that.

Honestly, this might be more ignorant than 1/3. Not as funny, but still incredibly ignorant. I mean, at least you can kind of understand Ditzy's confusion since so many, having never been exposed to anything else, just assume that the decimal system is inherent in math.
 
RStringfield said:
That should have been clear. They don't feel as strongly about it. We have all been a part of the email chains on silly polls like this. We have seen them posted to this board. I have posted them myself.

Like I said, I am not so sure it accurately demonstrates passion. But if not then it demonstrates absolutely nothing. They are not remotely accurate in judging actual public opinion. If they were all polls and consumer research would be done that way as it is much cheaper. Where they are used many respondents are ignored and demographics are used to help ensure a good sample.

It's just unbelievable that you continue to argue this. You are either <9 years old or really stupid. I was going to say 12, but at 12 I might not have known this but I certainly would have been able to understand it.

There are no controls on most web polls to ensure the sample is representative of the population. This poll does not even seem to have many controls to ensure someone or many are not just cheating it. I don't see any need to assume that, since there is no method to the sample selection anyway.
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So basically you don't like the poll; but then anyone with the reasoning power of a village idiot, like you, doesn't normally like anything that goes against their belief.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So basically you don't like the poll; but then anyone with the reasoning power of a village idiot, like you, doesn't normally like anything that goes against their belief.
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Again, it has nothing to do with my opinion on the issue. I might not be encouraged to beat you over the head about it if the poll agreed with me, but I still would know it was not accurate. If you kept on with someone else about this on a web poll, where your and my views were in line with the results, I would probably feel the need to say something just so no one assumes all people of my opinion are completely retarded, like you.

Again, you have already been proven wrong about it being just my bias. Anyone that has been around these boards and has a decent memory could tell you. Exhibit A, Ron Paul, I voted for him in the primary and spent the limit on him. I very much wanted him to win. I posted polls here in the hopes of improving his results.

I still did not argue that the many web polls he was winning proved he was actually ahead with voters. I held no hope that that was true, because I knew it was not and that the web polls proved little to nothing. I do think it said something about the passion of his support. But I would not rely on it having proved that for anything important.
 
RStringfield said:
Again, it has nothing to do with my opinion on the issue. I might not be encouraged to beat you over the head about it if the poll agreed with me, but I still would know it was not accurate. If you kept on with someone else about this on a web poll, where your and my views were in line with the results, I would probably feel the need to say something just so no one assumes all people of my opinion are completely retarded, like you.

Again, you have already been proven wrong about it being just my bias. Anyone that has been around these boards and has a decent memory could tell you. Exhibit A, Ron Paul, I voted for him in the primary and spent the limit on him. I very much wanted him to win. I posted polls here in the hopes of improving his results.

I still did not argue that the many web polls he was winning proved he was actually ahead with voters. I held no hope that that was true, because I knew it was not and that the web polls proved little to nothing. I do think it said something about the passion of his support. But I would not rely on it having proved that for anything important.
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So it's Ron Paul's loss that has made you so soar on a poll that had over 1 million responses!!

I understand. :good4u:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So it's Ron Paul's loss that has made you so soar on a poll that had over 1 million responses!!

I understand. :good4u:
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You don't seem to understand much of anything. But, if you insist on making yourself look I like a retard then I will quit trying to help you understand statistics.
 
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USFREEDOM911 said:
AHHHHHHHHHHH; so what CT do you attribute to the number of votes??
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CT??

As explained before, even assuming every vote represented one individual the poll is of little value. So I don't care to attribute it to anything. There is no point in finding out whether anyone cheated it.

But a unique IP is easy to get around. With that and a simple program (i could write one in a short period) that continuously post a response, it might be cheated. It's possible they have some other controls to protect against that, but I don't see them. Usually, a programmer would use the word/character recognition stuff to protect against that.
 
RStringfield said:
CT??

As explained before, even assuming every vote represented one individual the poll is of little value. So I don't care to attribute it to anything. There is no point in finding out whether anyone cheated it.

But a unique IP is easy to get around. With that and a simple program (i could write one in a short period) that continuously post a response, it might be cheated. It's possible they have some other controls to protect against that, but I don't see them. Usually, a programmer would use the word/character recognition stuff to protect against that.
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Just curious; have you bothered to ask them, or would this possiblity cause you to lose sleep??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Just curious; have you bothered to ask them, or would this possiblity cause you to lose sleep??
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No, as explained and repeated several times, IT DOES NOT MATTER. Why would I waste my effort or theirs to improve their silly web poll into an uncheatable silly web poll.

Web polls, even if they do a good job of controlling against people voting twice, are worthless for anything but amusement. If this were on my site and someone asked me me to put in a character recognition control to protect against automated responses, I would tell them to stfu, it's just a silly web poll, for amusement only and not meant to be scientific. Further, adding the character recognition step may cause many not to use it and defeat the purpose, i.e., amusement.

You are incredibly fucking stupid and thick headed.
 
RStringfield said:
No, as explained and repeated several times, IT DOES NOT MATTER. Why would I waste my effort or theirs to improve their silly web poll into an uncheatable silly web poll.

Web polls, even if they do a good job of controlling against people voting twice, are worthless for anything but amusement. If this were on my site and someone asked me me to put in a character recognition control to protect against automated responses, I would tell them to stfu, it's just a silly web poll, for amusement only and not meant to be scientific. Further, adding the character recognition step may cause many not to use it and defeat the purpose, i.e., amusement.

You are incredibly fucking stupid and thick headed.
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It obviously does matter, or else why would you spend so much time railing against it!! :good4u:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
It obviously does matter, or else why would you spend so much time railing against it!! :good4u:
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Just pointing out what should be obvious, since you are apparently so incredibly ignorant. Whether it was cheated really does not matter, since the poll is just for fun anyway. I have said all along that it does not matter much in judgment of the value of this poll.
 
RStringfield said:
Just pointing out what should be obvious, since you are apparently so incredibly ignorant. Whether it was cheated really does not matter, since the poll is just for fun anyway. I have said all along that it does not matter much in judgment of the value of this poll.
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So polls ran on news sites aren't accurate.
 
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Self-selection bias, which is possible whenever the group of people being studied has any form of control over whether to participate. Participants' decision to participate may be correlated with traits that affect the study, making the participants a non-representative sample. For example, people who have strong opinions or substantial knowledge may be more willing to spend time answering a survey than those who do not. Another example is online and phone-in polls, which are biased samples because the respondents are self-selected. Those individuals who are highly motivated to respond, typically individuals who have strong opinions, are overrepresented, and individuals that are indifferent or apathetic are less likely to respond. This often leads to a polarization of responses with extreme perspectives being given a disproportionate weight in the summary. As a result, these types of polls are regarded as unscientific.
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Again, I guarantee if you asked the question of whether you support or oppose the Az law with a representative sample, a very large number (maybe a plurality) would say they were unsure. That is because many don't know what is in the law and others don't have a strong opinion.

If the poll does not ask you demographic questions (e.g., race, age, household income etc.) with which they may cull the sample, then the poll is fairly worthless as a representation of actual public opinion.

There is no point in going to extreme efforts to try to prevent cheating in such polls, since they are not meant to be scientific anyway. Requiring a unique IP is pretty easy, but will not even begin to prevent a determined cheater.

I am sorry you are so ignorant and have failed to understand this, though I have repeated it all several times and in different ways to try to get the point across. But you should probably take some perspective from the fact that even those who share your bias (which seems to be in the majority here) have not posted agreement with your stupid position. They don't want
 
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