Ignorance and the Bible

[Cypress]

^^^
Perry's OCD* on display.

*Obsessive @Cypress Disorder

I don't think Perry ever misses a post I compose

 

[Cypress]

The way I remember it is because life takes a low entropy energy source (sunlight), and metabolizes and radiates it into a higher entropy energy form. Therefore it accords with the second law of thermodynamics.

 

[Into the Night]

No...the points I made earlier.

Here they are again...bolded and enlarged so you can see them:

When speaking of whether or not any gods exist..."believing" is merely blind guessing. "Faith" on the other hand, is merely insisting that one's blind guess is correct.

Faith is not insisting anything. It merely makes a claim. Insisting that the claim is True (trying to prove it) produces the circular argument fallacy. This is what a fundamentalist does.

You folk are absolutely sure your blind guesses that a god exists...and that you know what pleases that god and what offends it.

So? Still remains an argument of faith. No fallacy.

Atheists are absolutely sure that their blind guesses that no gods exist (or that it is more likely that no gods exist than that at least one god does exist).

Atheists make no such claim. Atheists don't care whether a god or gods exist or not.

The Church of No God are fundamentalists, trying to prove their religion is True.

You and those who guess as you do MAY be correct. The atheists MAY be correct.

Atheists make no claim.

I do not know which it is...and I would rather not make a blind guess about it.

You have to. It is not possible to prove whether any god or gods exist or not.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

(Don't worry, I don't expect you to explain your "reasoning" here because it would require you to google too much. LOL )

Perry OCD*. LOL

*Obsessive @Cypress Disorder

 

[gmark77]

I read it in a physics book I have.

That's not a citation. And it isn't a reason.

Look, if you don't understand what you read then fine! Just admit this is way out of your area of expertise.

You seem reluctant to acknowledge your clear limitations.

 

[Into the Night]

YES IT HAS BEEN ASKED...SEVERAL TIMES.

NOT ANSWERED.

SEE MY POSTS #1194 & 1216.

Never really answered...just avoided or given short-shrift...with YOU deciding what a Christian is.

A Christian is someone that believes that Jesus Christ exists, and that He is who He says He is, namely, the Son of God.

I am saying your "beliefs" on this issue are merely BLIND GUESSES about the REALITY of existence.

So? The Argument of Faith is also known as the Circular Argument. Not in and of itself a fallacy.

Tell me how you know the stuff you spout as being the truth rather than a guess.

Attempted force of circular argument fallacy.

I am saying your "faith" is merely your insistence that your blind guesses are correct.

This part is correct.

Tell me how you know the "faith" you have in your blind guesses are "the truth."

Attempted force of circular argument fallacy.

Actually discuss the issue rather than do what the atheists do in avoidance.

Atheists don't particularly avoid. They comment just like any other posters here.

 

[Into the Night]

The way I remember it is because life takes a low entropy energy source (sunlight), and metabolizes and radiates it into a higher entropy energy form. Therefore it accords with the second law of thermodynamics.

You just violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't think Perry ever misses a post I compose

It's a weird obsession of his. I looked at his messages and, for the past several days, he only posted to this thread. Before that, he was chasing after you on this thread:

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Thread 'History's most devout and/or ardent atheist-agnostic-christian presidents'

Aug 30, 2025

Agnostic​

Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington

Atheist​

Donald Trump
Richard Nixon

Christian​

Jimmy Carter
John Adams
George W. Bush

• Cypress

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[Dutch Uncle]

That's not a citation. And it isn't a reason.

Look, if you don't understand what you read then fine! Just admit this is way out of your area of expertise.

You seem reluctant to acknowledge your clear limitations.

^^^
Perry Penis-Envy!

Why didn't you just google it, son? I did. It took me 5 seconds:

Entropy and life - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Into the Night]

Every example I've cited of Bart Ehrman on this thread is where his conclusions categorically clash with the conclusions of you and Domer.

So don't try to hitch yourself to Ehrman's wagon.

He at least practices a type of agnostic intellectual uncertainty, and he tries to steer clear of the confirmation bias practiced by atheists on this thread and elsewhere.

What 'confirmation bias' by atheists? What 'bias' are they 'confirming'?

 

[Into the Night]

You, gmark77, are the one who does not understand atheism. You pretend it is something other than what it is...a belief system.

Atheism is not a belief.

And "implicit atheist" is another name for an intellectual coward who wants to use "atheist" as a self-descriptor.

No such thing. A person is either an atheist, or he is not.

Grow some balls.

Bullshit. Atheism is a pretense.

Atheism has no pretense.

TEST:

Do you believe there are no gods?

Do you believe it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one?

C'mon. Answer those questions.

Stating there is a god or gods is a religion.
Stating there are no gods is a religion.

An atheist states neither.

 

[Cypress]

That's not a citation!

I'm not going to go through my library to find the Sean Caroll book I read it in.

And it isn't a reason!

I already posted a reason before you even wrote your post

The way I remember it is because life takes a low entropy energy source (sunlight), and metabolizes and radiates it into a higher entropy energy form. Therefore it accords with the second law of thermodynamics.

Instead of relying on my posts to teach you new things, why don't you do what I did - do the hard work of extensively reading books on physics, religion, history, etc.

 

[Into the Night]

I read it in a physics book I have.

Must've been a comic book.

2nd law of thermodynamics: e(t+1) >= e(t) where 'e' is entropy. Entropy can NEVER decrease. Entropy is available energy to do work.

 

[Cypress]

^^^
Perry Penis-Envy!

Why didn't you just google it, son? I did. It took me 5 seconds:

Entropy and life - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The way I remember it is because life takes a low entropy energy source (sunlight), and metabolizes and radiates it into a higher entropy energy form. Therefore it accords with the second law of thermodynamics.

From Bing AI:
Entropy favors biological life over inanimate matter because biological systems actively maintain and increase their internal order and complexity, seemingly defying the universal tendency towards disorder.

• Entropy measures disorder or randomness, and while living organisms maintain this order, they also export disorder into their surroundings through metabolic processes, such as releasing heat and waste products.
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• The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that in a closed system, entropy tends to increase over time, which means that biological processes, which require energy, inherently increase entropy within the organism.
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• Living organisms feed on negative entropy, or negentropy, which is the process of extracting order from their environment and dissipating disorder.
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• This relationship is fundamental to understanding the dynamics of life, as biological systems are self-replicating dissipative structures that efficiently consume free energy and maintain their structure.
  
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  Thus, the principles of entropy play a crucial role in explaining how biological systems can maintain order while contributing to the overall increase in entropy of the universe.
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[Into the Night]

It's a weird obsession of his. I looked at his messages and, for the past several days, he only posted to this thread. Before that, he was chasing after you on this thread:

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Thread 'History's most devout and/or ardent atheist-agnostic-christian presidents'

Aug 30, 2025

Agnostic​

Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington

Atheist​

Donald Trump
Richard Nixon

Christian​

Jimmy Carter
John Adams
George W. Bush

• Cypress

• 
• 

Trump is not an atheist, Sybil. He is a Christian.

 

[Into the Night]

This Wikipedia article is wrong. Entropy can never decrease.

 

[gmark77]

I'm not going to go through my library to find the Sean Caroll book I read it in.

I already posted a reason before you even wrote your post


Instead of relying on my posts to teach you new things, why don't you do what I did - do the hard work of extensively reading books on physics, religion, history, etc.

I see you don't understand your initial claim.

Sad, really.

But then not unexpected since this is clearly not your area.

Pro-Tip: Try sticking to things you know when you post.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Pro-Tip: Try sticking to things you know when you post.

^^^
Perry Penis-Envy and his OCD*. Sad.

*Obsessive @Cypress Disorder

 

[gmark77]

The way I remember it is because life takes a low entropy energy source (sunlight)

WTF? "low entropy source" = sunlight? What are you on about. SUnlight is ENERGY.

, and metabolizes and radiates it into a higher entropy energy form.

Where do you come up with this stuff???????

Sunlight causes life to radiate entropy? That sounds pretty stupid.