Oklahoma Bible mandate challenged in Court

[Into the Night]

Dude, now you see why we atheists speak out about religion in public life here in the USA.

Never heard an atheist speak any such thing yet.

Since when have the hyper-religious required understanding of the holy writ?

What is 'hyper-religious' about teaching the Bible?

And you give atheists a hard time when they raise objections to religion.

Atheists have no objection to religion. They are simply not religious. You are. You are not an atheist.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no law against religion in public life. Jimmy Carter, George Bush, Martin Luther King Jr. frequently spoke about their faith.

The only applicable law is to prohibit government employees from promoting a state religion.

No such law.

If you want the Democrats to ever win Midwestern and Appalachian states they used to be very competitive in, howling about an Oklahoma bible is not going to win a single Midwestern state. This is the kind of thing which can be pursued quietly in court.

On what basis?

It's ridiculous to lay a King James bible on a kid's desk.

Why?

The language is archaic Elizabethean English.

Your illiteracy is YOUR problem. It is not illegal to teach English or any other language.

This is obviously the doing of conservative evangelicals. The Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, and Episcopalian churches down the street from me use the New International Version. It is written in contemporary English and is very widely used

Distortion of the Bible is not the Bible.

Maybe you need to make better and more convincing arguments.

Already done.

I'm an independent thinker, and I don't commit to either Team Atheist or to Team Holy Roller.

No such teams. This isn't a football game.

 

[Into the Night]

Public schools must be neutral on the issue of religion.

No such law.

Neither teaching nor prohibiting the Bible in public schools.

There is nothing illegal about teaching the Bible in public schools.

Of course the real answer is to do away with public schools.

You could argue that, but public schools formed for a reason. The public was willing to pay for them to get a good general education across the public.

 

[Into the Night]

Obviously you never learned anything in school.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Hume]

Inversion fallacy.

go kill yourself

 

[Into the Night]

You're just as bad or worse. Prohibiting competing religious expression violates the 1st amendment.

The first amendment does not apply to the States or to State run schools.

Public schools should be neutral ground where children are free to express any religious idea they please.

Including teaching the Bible.

But then, public schools should not exist - for this very reason.

So you want to force kids into a religion?

It's the flip side of the coin you are complaining about.

He doesn't know what he's complaining about.

 

[Margot]

Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate​

OKLAHOMA CITY – More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.

The 32 plaintiffs include 14 public school parents, four public school teachers and three faith leaders who object to Walters’ extremist agenda that imposes his personal religious beliefs on other people's children – in violation of Oklahomans’ religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The plaintiffs come from a variety of faith traditions, including Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian (U.S.A.) and United Church of Christ, and some identify as atheist, agnostic or nonreligious. Some are of Indigenous heritage, and some have family situations – such as LGBTQ+ members or children with special educational needs – that cause particular concerns around teaching the Bible in public schools, especially around bullying.

Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate

More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.

www.acluok.org

Unconstitutional

 

[EdwinA]

Your inability to understand English is YOUR problem. It is not unconstitutional to teach English or any other language.

They're terrified Okies will stop letting faggots groom kids and stop them from brainwashing them into getting extreme sexual mutilations.

 

[EdwinA]

Unconstitutional

Rubbish. The intent of the separation of church and state is clear: It prevents the Federal Govt. from making ANY law restricting Christians from practicing their religion, not the other way around, as you illiterates keep claiming.

Like I said, the Constitution did not keep the individual states from empowering their favored sects, and giving them powers to raise taxes, which they did to fund public schools. and social services. As I also said, Thomas Jefferson got elected by these Eyul Fundies to the Vice Presidency and then the Presidency. Massachusetts kept its favored sect until 1833; it only changed due to demographic changes and the immigrants having different church memberships other than the Congregationalists and wanted funds for their own schools..

The Xian haters are just full of shit, is all.

 

[domer76]

WOW !!! 32 ???? That;s like, THE ENTIRE STATE !!!! OH NOES !!!!

It’s called a class action suit, idiot. It only needed to be one.

In a backward shithole state like Oklahoma, I’m sure these 32 are placing themselves at employment risk. Good on them for doing the right thing

 

[domer76]

Good. That will result in smaller classes and fewer seat warmers. Let the Xian haters go somewhere else.

The Feds cannot make any law re religious instruction or expression, period, public funding, public buildings or no. The vast majority of religious people at the time of the Founding were Christian, no need to babble on about Buddhists, Muslims, pagans, or any of the other cults; they didn't amount to anything, and were insignificant. Jews and Catholics had their own schools. Nobody complained then about crosses and Ten Commandments on the walls. In fact several states still had favored sects, and they were running the schools; this was the case until around the 1830's, when Massachusetts was the last state to end its religious controls on public schools to make them non-sectarian, and even then there was no banning of Christian crosses and plaques with the ten Commandments on them. Nobdoy gave a shit about sniveling atheists and pagans and whining Muslim bullshit.

Ah yes, you’re talking about a time when women couldn’t vote, slavery was still legal, and interracial marriage was taboo.

Make America Great Again, as you yearn for those good old days. LOL

 

[TOP]

Lately there's been a surprising surge of faith when it comes to young people...especially young men....it's wonderful to see...
and a very good thing...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCKN3CVSo8

 

[EdwinA]

It’s called a class action suit, idiot. It only needed to be one.

In a backward shithole state like Oklahoma, I’m sure these 32 are placing themselves at employment risk. Good on them for doing the right thing

It's called your sleazy media hyping up a tiny handful of losers into a Big Giant Revolt N Stuff !!!!, and you tards run around trying to sell it, like the losers you are.

 

[EdwinA]

Ah yes, you’re talking about a time when women couldn’t vote, slavery was still legal, and interracial marriage was taboo.

Make America Great Again, as you yearn for those good old days. LOL

And you tards have never dine a thing to improve anything, you just snivel and whine. You don't do a damn ting about slavery, we know for a fact.

And besides, 'Progressives' were all for those things. It was Da Evul Xians who led the way to doing away with those, not you gimps.

 

[domer76]

It's called your sleazy media hyping up a tiny handful of losers into a Big Giant Revolt N Stuff !!!!, and you tards run around trying to sell it, like the losers you are.

If you even had a basic understanding of the Constitution, we could discuss this. But that’s merely another of a long list that you don’t know shit about.

 

[Margot]

Rubbish. The intent of the separation of church and state is clear: It prevents the Federal Govt. from making ANY law restricting Christians from practicing their religion, not the other way around, as you illiterates keep claiming.

Like I said, the Constitution did not keep the individual states from empowering their favored sects, and giving them powers to raise taxes, which they did to fund public schools. and social services. As I also said, Thomas Jefferson got elected by these Eyul Fundies to the Vice Presidency and then the Presidency. Massachusetts kept its favored sect until 1833; it only changed due to demographic changes and the immigrants having different church memberships other than the Congregationalists and wanted funds for their own schools..

The Xian haters are just full of shit, is all.

The United States of America has no national religion, whether Christian,Judaism, Islam,Hindu or others!

 

[Cypress]

You mean SOME 'leaders, not all. '32' isn't hardly enough to warrant being called a 'big reaction'. You could find more than that over what color to paint road stripes on something.

Road stripes is not a constitutional issue.

Tyranny of the majority does not apply to constitutional cases.

I'm sure if I looked up the Supreme Court cases against Obamacare, there would only be a limited number of plaintiffs listed on the court case.

You don't have to canvass the state or nation to sign everyone up as a plaintiff for a constitutional test case.

 

[domer76]

And you tards have never dine a thing to improve anything, you just snivel and whine. You don't do a damn ting about slavery, we know for a fact.

And besides, 'Progressives' were all for those things. It was Da Evul Xians who led the way to doing away with those, not you gimps.

WHOOSH!

 

[Cypress]

Your inability to understand English is YOUR problem. It is not unconstitutional to teach English or any other language.

Shakespeare was hard enough to read in 12th grade English class, but you want fourth graders to be forced to slog their way through archaic Elizabethean English just to satisfy right-wing evangelical adults, rather than give kids widely available translations in contemporary English.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm surprised these reactionaries are trying to make kids read the King James Bible.

The language in KJV is so archaic, kids won't be able to understand it.

The intent of the school board is obviously not to the benefit of the kids, but to ingratiate themselves with the fire-and-brimstone gang, whom mistakenly believe KJV is the most authentic Bible.

Evangelists use the KJV. Why they believe the KJV Bible is the most authentic version is weird to me. Force of habit?

It does have a rich history.

Why the King James Bible of 1611 Remains the Most Popular Translation in History | HISTORY

Not only was it the first 'people's Bible,' but its poetic cadences and vivid imagery have had an enduring influence ...

www.history.com