You are anything but reasonable. You’ve been corrected several times but keep spewing the same bullshit.
There’s nothing more extraordinary than thinking the resurrection actually occurred or that the Trinity is true. That’s tin foil hat material.
Ignorance and the Bible
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There’s nothing more extraordinary than thinking the resurrection actually occurred or that the Trinity is true. That’s tin foil hat material.
Funny how your god supposedly gave you a brain and then doesn’t want you to use it. At least you’re not failing him in that respect.
One would think an all-everything god would be clear in his message to mankind. Or to not remain hidden since……
Forever.
What did Jesus say and teach that is being codified into US law?
Joe doesn't have any witnesses or people so committed to believing in him, they are willing to be stoned, beaten, shipwrecked, imprisoned, executed for their belief in Joe's claim.
I wish you could be honest in this debate. I have actually lauded much of Christ's teachings on this forum. And you know it. So stop misrepresenting (lying) about my position. Just stop it. It is beneath you.
You know damn well what I'm talking about. I gave examples.
But you just need to keep it "personal" don't you?
And Jesus does because it said so in the Bible. Yes we know you are a believer.
Many people have died for fictional beliefs. I'm surprised you don't know this. Look at Jonestown in 1978.
I have questioned and used pejorative language throughout this thread impartially against both physical materialism, evangelical Bible thumpers, and biblical literalists. I don't defend one team, or hunker down on one foxhole.
i have considered atheism and religion as an option for my worldview.
as far as I can tell, you are Dogmatic and have never self evaluated your own assumptions or critiqued your faith in physical materialism. You weren't even aware of some of the deep questions about it widely discussed by scientists, philosophers, theologians
Believing the creation, order, design, and mathematical fine-tuning of the universe is the result of physical inanimate random chance is faith in a miracle just as extraordinary as the resurrection
Well...you said, "...if someone tells me they believe Joe Smith down the street is God incarnate and he believes that our government should be more amenable to what Joe Smith wants for us I'm going to push back."
But if Joe says, "There are no gods"...you would not push back.
Seems there is the inconsistency that atheists mention so often.
Why would you not push back? SERIOUSLY. Obviously it is possible there is at least one god...and there is no way to determine if it is more probably that "there are no gods" or that "there is at least one."
So why would you not push back on that?
Actually it would. You avoiding it...especially the way you seem to be...indicates that it is not clear at all.
There also is no proof that there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.
And it is not a terrifying concept to us. It simply is as laughable at the theistic assertions.
You know what’s really laughable? The fact that you can’t understand simple logic like implicit atheism.
Honestly it’s hilarious to see your usual argument. You seem to think it so deep.
That’s funny
I do understand "implicit atheism." I suspect you do not.
Implicit atheism is the atheism practiced by people who want to be known as atheists, but do not have the balls to simply acknowledge that they "believe" (blindly guess) that no gods exist...or "believe" (blindly guess) that it is more likely that no gods exist than that at least one god does exist.
So I ask you:
Do you "believe" that no gods exist? a) YES b) NO c) DO NOT KNOW.
Do you "believe" that it is more likely that no gods exist than that there is at least one god? a) YES b) NO c) DO NOT KNOW.
Do you "believe that it is more likely that at least one god exists than that no gods exist? a)YES b) NO c) DO NOT KNOW.
C'mon...give an answer. Stop avoiding the questions, because they go to the bullshit that you are an implicit atheist.
No problem. Be entertained.
But answer the questions.
William Lane Craigs gave a very clear and systematic explanation of atheism versus agnosticism (1 minute 30 seconds)
I see your reaction was a laugh.
Okay...so you just do not have the guts to answer the questions...and I understand.
You are full of shit...and any answer you give will show that you are full of shit.
Nothing wrong with being full of shit. You do it about as successfully as I have ever seen.
If you decide to get serious, let me know. We can have a reasonable discussion.
Or avoid me...and when you post, I will reply anyway.
Margot
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You want me to teach you Christianity 101 from square one?
Margot
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No it's advice opinion!
"you can't handle the truth"
Margot
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I thought your ground doesn't believe in God?
No. I was a practicing Christian for the first 20 - 25 years of my life...and contemplated a religious vocation. I studied the Bible and the structure of Christianity...and ended up discovering many of the items that have been mentioned by others here.
As a result, I have decided two things...one about what I know about the REALITY of existence...and two about the the Bible.
About the first:
I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things.
(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)
As to the second:
My guess about the Bible, for what it is worth, is that a very self-serving history (of sorts) of the early Hebrew people...a relatively unsophisticated, unknowledgeable, superstitious people who had many enemies in the areas where they lived. Their enemies worshiped barbarous, vengeful, wrathful, unforgiving, demanding, murderous, petty gods. And to protect themselves from those gods, they invented an especially barbarous, vengeful, wrathful, unforgiving, demanding, murderous, petty god...and worshiped it. The story seems to be a necessary mythology. The mythology served a needed purpose at that time and I can easily understand why the ancient Hebrews felt about it the way they did.
The fact that modern theists feel the way they do about it...is disappointing and disheartening.
The story of the god of the Bible saying that it would forgive humans for offending it...but only if humans would first torture and kill its son...was probably the reason I decided to leave Christianity. There is no way I could "worship" a god that would propose any even close to that.
Not sure why anyone would want to "worship" a god that would reward humans for not offending it, but it seem (if your guesses about the situation are correct) that very few will be rewarded. (Perhaps only you, in fact.)
I suspect that by "saved"...you mean this "eternal life" stuff. If so, why not just say that is what you mean?
Okay...another laugh.
Most cowards react differently when they are shown to be cowards. I compliment you for being different. (Although it may be that you are merely stupid.)
Margot
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If you didn't have the Holy Spirit, you never were a Christian, you were on the outside looking in reading the hand book!
Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus through the Holy Spirit! No church,no book,no denomination needed,that all just confused you. Religious Babelitis
I gave you fact on the Trinity. You’ll have to fix your own ignorance
I see you’re also functionally illiterate, as well.