How Someone With Stage Four Lung Cancer Gets the Covid Vaccine

[Walt]

Stage 4 lung cancer. I'll look back to find out who that was. They get the vaccine...

The approval has held up the vaccines for a few months, so they used to not be able to get the vaccine. Now it is coming online, but stage 4 lung cancer is not one of the conditions that will get you approved. That being said, a doctor can lie and write you a note.

Any moral doctor will lie for someone so sick, but this might be a trap. There is a rumor that the trump administration plans to audit all the prescriptions for Covid vaccines to find the doctors that are willing to try to get around the system, and to take away their medical licenses. Some member of the trump administration have said there are too many doctors in America, and having less doctors would cut down on costs.

If they did get rid of half the doctors, it would make it very difficult for large portions of America to get any medical treatment.

 

[Damocles]

The approval has held up the vaccines for a few months, so they used to not be able to get the vaccine. Now it is coming online, but stage 4 lung cancer is not one of the conditions that will get you approved. That being said, a doctor can lie and write you a note.

Any moral doctor will lie for someone so sick, but this might be a trap. There is a rumor that the trump administration plans to audit all the prescriptions for Covid vaccines to find the doctors that are willing to try to get around the system, and to take away their medical licenses. Some member of the trump administration have said there are too many doctors in America, and having less doctors would cut down on costs.

If they did get rid of half the doctors, it would make it very difficult for large portions of America to get any medical treatment.

This is simply not true, cancer itself is a condition for which the vaccine is available, particularly folks going through the treatment for cancer as it makes them vulnerable to even non-threatening diseases. Since they are among the folks listed for the vaccine these vaccines are available at hospitals, clinics, pretty much anywhere doctors or nurses are available.

 

[Walt]

This is simply not true

The first part about the vaccines being delayed by months is simply true. Let's move on to your next claim.

cancer itself is a condition for which the vaccine is available

They are still working out the list of conditions, but "cancer" is not on that list. Some cancers are on the list, but just a general "cancer" is not on the list. The closest I can find on the list I have(linked below) is "some chronic lung diseases", but it does not seem to include lung cancer.

She is pulling busses in strongman contests, so "physical inactivity" is not true, but a doctor would be willing to say it was true. Once she has the prescription, she gets the shot. But now the doctor has a false prescription out there, which can be a felony.

These are the conditions that make you eligible for an updated Covid-19 vaccine

This year’s updated Covid-19 vaccines have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for adults 65 and older and younger people with certain medical conditions that put them at a higher risk of a severe Covid-19 infection.

www.yahoo.com

particularly folks going through the treatment for cancer as it makes them vulnerable to even non-threatening diseases.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) has decided that the vaccines are not advisable for people without the conditions they listed. You and I know that she has a life threatening condition without the vaccine, but legally she does not. The government has decided that it is more dangerous for her to get the vaccine than not to, and that it is significantly more dangerous, so that she should not have the right to make the decision.

Since they are among the folks listed for the vaccine these vaccines are available at hospitals, clinics, pretty much anywhere doctors or nurses are available.

Putting together a supply network for these vaccines, which often needed to be froze at subzero temperatures, required a more limited availability. They are not available at most doctors' offices. They mostly go to pharmacies. Pharmacies will take them to hospitals, and some clinics, but they are not there constantly.

You have a lot of ideas about how things should have been. I am telling you how they are turning out.

 

[Damocles]

The first part about the vaccines being delayed by months is simply true. Let's move on to your next claim.


They are still working out the list of conditions, but "cancer" is not on that list. Some cancers are on the list, but just a general "cancer" is not on the list. The closest I can find on the list I have(linked below) is "some chronic lung diseases", but it does not seem to include lung cancer.

She is pulling busses in strongman contests, so "physical inactivity" is not true, but a doctor would be willing to say it was true. Once she has the prescription, she gets the shot. But now the doctor has a false prescription out there, which can be a felony.

These are the conditions that make you eligible for an updated Covid-19 vaccine

This year’s updated Covid-19 vaccines have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for adults 65 and older and younger people with certain medical conditions that put them at a higher risk of a severe Covid-19 infection.

www.yahoo.com

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) has decided that the vaccines are not advisable for people without the conditions they listed. You and I know that she has a life threatening condition without the vaccine, but legally she does not. The government has decided that it is more dangerous for her to get the vaccine than not to, and that it is significantly more dangerous, so that she should not have the right to make the decision.


Putting together a supply network for these vaccines, which often needed to be froze at subzero temperatures, required a more limited availability. They are not available at most doctors' offices. They mostly go to pharmacies. Pharmacies will take them to hospitals, and some clinics, but they are not there constantly.

You have a lot of ideas about how things should have been. I am telling you how they are turning out.

*sigh*

COVID-19: What People with Cancer Should Know

Some cancer treatments may increase your risk of severe illness from COVID-19. Learn about how patients with cancer can protect themselves and what they should do if they have symptoms of an infection.

www.cancer.gov

People with certain medical conditions that weaken the immune system, including people with cancer who are receiving chemotherapy, those with certain blood cancers regardless of treatment status (for example, chronic lymphocytic leukemia, non-Hodgkin lymphoma, multiple myeloma, acute leukemia), and those who received a stem cell transplant or CAR T-cell therapy within the last 2 years, may have a weaker response to COVID-19 vaccines than people whose immune systems are not compromised.

People taking therapies that suppress the immune system, such as some treatments for cancer, should talk with their doctors about when to get a COVID-19 vaccine and whether to get additional doses. CDC recommends that patients taking immunosuppressive treatments should not delay their COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19 vaccines should be given at least 2 weeks before beginning or resuming these treatments.

So...

What we learn.

Not only is it available to people being treated for cancer, they should talk to their doctors about more doses than normal.

What we also learn, that one more time, like every time (and I do mean all of them), Walt is once again wrong.

Then Walt pretends that hospitals and doctors offices supposedly are incapable of keeping and giving the vaccination... but that also is not true. In pretty much every case where doctors and nurses are available they have already gotten the freezers, etc. for keeping and giving the doses.

Now...

What WWW (Wrong Way Walt) wants you to believe, that because CVC is holding back until CDC gives guidance (or was, not so much now) that means folks with cancer cannot get the vaccination. What he's lying about is the fact that it is available to them, they are specifically listed for folks that should get it and they can... at their doctor's office, the local clinic, and pretty much anywhere doctors or nurses are available.

What WWW is conflating: The CDC has changed the recommendations, taking it off of emergency lists, so that places like CVC and Walgreens no longer can just give the vaccine to everybody, including healthy young folks, without a reason or a prescription. That means that you can still get the vaccination if you are among folks on that list or if your doctor prescribes it.

Remember your local Walgreens was able to keep these vaccines that Walt is now pretending that it is "impossible" for doctors offices to keep.

 

[RB 60]

Poor Walt. Wrong again...