Cons.... what would you have had President Obama do differently...

Onceler said:
She is NOT like everyone in the country - what a ridiculous statement.

I meant that she's like you in that big oil is heroic in her eyes, can do no wrong and should be worshipped at every opportunity. That's how she's like you.
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except that is not how toppy sees big oil. Yes, he sees the need to continue drilling and supports that effort. But he also has stated that BP was cutting corners and should be held accountable for their failures.

So you are doing exactly what you bitch about others doing to you. You are either exaggerating his position or outright lying/misinformed about it.

As for the Bush/Obama comparison....

Obama has failed every bit as bad with this spill that Bush did with Katrina. You seem to think that pointing to stranded people (who were stranded because their mayor failed to evacuate them or that refused to leave in when told) and saying 'there are no stranded people with the oil spill so it isn't the same' somehow justifies your point. It does not.

Address the points brought up by the author wacko posted. There are many gross failures there by the administration.
 
Topspin said:
Because you are dead wrong on it. I'm calling for tougher regs, how's that worshiping. Your a moron on this issue, we use 25% of the worlds oil but you dont' want our own oil tapped. Yeah that makes sense. Send trillions of dollars to Iran instead of Alaska, TX, La that makes sense.

None of you libtards are stopping driving our using electricity or flying. Give me a break on the Global Warming faux outrage till we knock this spill out for ya.
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Stop putting words in my mouth - it doesn't make you look very smart. I changed my position on ANWR & domestic drilling in general about 2 years ago, and support it. I haven't argued AGW in YEARS, since I don't think it is proveable either way.

I was a big supporter of offshore drilling until BP. The accident has made me reconsider that position.

Cool it with trying to paint me with the "liberal hack" brush. I've been very moderate on this issue, and have not been a big opponent of drilling. I'm just not a blind worshipper like you.
 
Superfreak said:
except that is not how toppy sees big oil. Yes, he sees the need to continue drilling and supports that effort. But he also has stated that BP was cutting corners and should be held accountable for their failures.

So you are doing exactly what you bitch about others doing to you. You are either exaggerating his position or outright lying/misinformed about it.

As for the Bush/Obama comparison....

Obama has failed every bit as bad with this spill that Bush did with Katrina. You seem to think that pointing to stranded people (who were stranded because their mayor failed to evacuate them or that refused to leave in when told) and saying 'there are no stranded people with the oil spill so it isn't the same' somehow justifies your point. It does not.

Address the points brought up by the author wacko posted. There are many gross failures there by the administration.
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Yeah - it does. That is the biggest failure of leadership I saw with Bush during Katrina - people in serious crisis, with the clock ticking, and a leadership void. That's just how it was.

I also faulted his cronyism with FEMA.

I did NOT fault him for not clearing the streets of water faster, or for not rebuilding the levies faster, or for not stopping the actual hurricane, or for not better preparing the levies & city for hurricanes in general, etc. These are the kinds of things cawacko's list & the general criticism is comparable to.
 
LOFL & lolz you changed your position on offshore drilling before the BP facts are analyzed. Wow you stand on some spindly legs as does your leader Obama.
 
Topspin said:
LOFL & lolz you changed your position on offshore drilling before the BP facts are analyzed. Wow you stand on some spindly legs as does your leader Obama.
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Okay, no apology whatsoever for lying about my position. That's cool. Kind of feminine on your part, but cool.

And no - my position change has NOTHING to do with an "analysis of BP facts," and everything to do with cost/benefit on offshore drilling in general.
 
Onceler said:
Okay, no apology whatsoever for lying about my position. That's cool. Kind of feminine on your part, but cool.

And no - my position change has NOTHING to do with an "analysis of BP facts," and everything to do with cost/benefit on offshore drilling in general.
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You changed your position on Alaska, which means you were against it. Excuse me for not taking notes on your wavering weakly held positions.
I'll be glad to show you who's femine you pussy, but you'd never man up and show up.
 
Topspin said:
You changed your position on Alaska, which means you were against it. Excuse me for not taking notes on your wavering weakly held positions.
I'll be glad to show you who's femine you pussy, but you'd never man up and show up.
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Yeah - years ago, and for some good reasons. You just see fit to paste any "libbie" positions that you know of onto me, when the fact is that for years, I have supported domestic drilling.

And it is very girlish to not acknowledge that, but hey....
 
Onceler said:
Yeah - years ago, and for some good reasons. You just see fit to paste any "libbie" positions that you know of onto me, when the fact is that for years, I have supported domestic drilling.

And it is very girlish to not acknowledge that, but hey....
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was it weekly or weakly on your changing position.

I'll pay you to come see the oil and devestation going on under your boy and we'll see who's girly.
 
Onceler said:
And I am very aware of their plight. You don't seem to care at all that righties like Dixie & Yurt have marginalized their concerns.

But the plain fact is, there is a vast difference between that, and people stranded in the streets needing rescue while means are available to do just that. Sorry, but your brain capacity is somewhat limited if you are unable to see that pretty vast distinction.
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exact link to where i have marginalized their concerns or else be honest and apologize

all we hear from onceler is how BUSH fucked up katrina....notice he doesn't ever mentioned the democratic mayor or governor who had better access and means to get the people off the street....now that he is called on it, he will of course mention how they fucked up too....but....he never consciously does it until called on it....why? because he is a party hack and its all bush's fault until the truth is shoved so far down his throat he can't lie anymore about who's fault it is
 
Onceler said:
See that "and they failed" Yurtsie? I'm talking about the local Dems that bravo referenced.

Oops.
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lmao....just as i said...ONLY after you get called on their ineptness do you bring them up....otherwise its nothing but bush, bush, bush...your posts saying they failed as well are maybe 1% to 99% bashing bush, you're so pathetically partisan you can't see we are all laughing AT you

i noticed you cowardly slinked away from this part of my post:

exact link to where i have marginalized their concerns or else be honest and apologize

can't find it can you :)
 
Yurt said:
exact link to where i have marginalized their concerns or else be honest and apologize

all we hear from onceler is how BUSH fucked up katrina....notice he doesn't ever mentioned the democratic mayor or governor who had better access and means to get the people off the street....now that he is called on it, he will of course mention how they fucked up too....but....he never consciously does it until called on it....why? because he is a party hack and its all bush's fault until the truth is shoved so far down his throat he can't lie anymore about who's fault it is
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Onceler said:
See that "and they failed" Yurtsie? I'm talking about the local Dems that bravo referenced.

Oops.
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a month after the incident occurred he announced he would gather the best minds in the country to deal with the problem........why were the less than best minds good enough for the first thirty days?.......
 
because he doens't give two shits about a red state, not until the people outrage couldn't be drowed out did he get off his hands.

P.S. I don't think it's to late for him to man up and turn it to a positive.
 
Yurt said:
lmao....just as i said...ONLY after you get called on their ineptness do you bring them up....otherwise its nothing but bush, bush, bush...your posts saying they failed as well are maybe 1% to 99% bashing bush, you're so pathetically partisan you can't see we are all laughing AT you

i noticed you cowardly slinked away from this part of my post:

exact link to where i have marginalized their concerns or else be honest and apologize

can't find it can you :)
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Yurtsie, I'm not going traipsing all over the board at your whim, when you repeatedly ignore any questions I have for you. You have certainly marginalized the concerns with your support of all of the seepage BS and some of Dixie's rants.

And I have explained why the local Dems don't bother me as much as Bush. They are certainly at fault as well, but they are not my representatives. Bush was my President, and a self-proclaimed "leader," and someone whose supporters always talked about when it came to "leadership." And guess what? There was a leadership vacuum during Katrina.

So, there ya go, Yurtsie...

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Onceler said:
"When Katrina happened, Bush took it in the shorts for months, as pinheads ranted and raved about the slow federal response and blamed it squarely on Bush incompetence. "

Um, yeah - because people were stranded in the streets for days, while means of rescuing them were available. There was a failure of leadership in Katrina.
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And there are people now, who have lost their entire livelihoods, and their business, and their way of life... just like in Katrina! This has been unfolding for nearly two months, and STILL there is little actual response from the Federal government! The people who have capped the well are BP employees! Where was the leadership and means of rescue from Obama? All we got was continued bashing and blaming of BP, and TALK of how we would overcome this... we'll be better off for it... a new day is dawning... blah blah blah... more TALK from the Teleprompter President!


Why do you guys keep making this false analogy? The BP spill is an entirely different kind of disaster. I can list all of the mis-steps from Bush & FEMA (and yes, Nagin & the LA authorities) that could have made a difference and alleviated the situation for those stranded much earlier.
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Because it is the same exact kind of thing... A DISASTER... Liberal nitwit pinheads like you and Obama, believe the Federal Government should be the ones to handle these things in a prompt and expedient manner! This is your time to show us how great and wonderful the Federal Government can be at fixing the problem, answering the call to crisis, and making things all better for us all in the end... it's why you turned our fucking health care system over to the government, remember? They are supposed to have the capacity to handle all this, to take care of us all, to do what we can't do for ourselves... THIS CRISIS is a classic example of how Government FAILS to do that, it CAN'T do that, even with pinhead liberal nitwits in control of the White House, and the Congress!

You cannot list me a similar group of mis-steps on the part of the admin in this disaster; you simply can't, and you won't here. You'll now spin wildly & bring up Paul McCartney again.
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There's not really been any steps... That's the problem! All this administration has done is shown anger at BP, and vowed to destroy them for this. It's like Bush responding to Katrina by saying he would prosecute the company who built the levies in NO! It's not what needed to happen! No, this isn't anything at all LIKE Katrina, and it's an unfair characterization to call it "Obama's Katrina" because it's really fundamentally more like his "Iran Hostage Crisis" ...inept ineffective leadership from an ideologue who is good at talking, not leading.
 
"There's not really been any missteps"

Thanks. That's all we needed to know.

And man, did I call the "wildly spinning" part.
 
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