I guess I'll just have to wait until you understand your own position.
Ignorance and the Bible
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I guess I'll just have to wait until you understand your own position.
I understand my position. It is an easy and rational one. I'll repeat it. You tell me what you disagree:
I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things.
(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)
But clearly I'm confused about what being an implicit atheist is.
No, I'm afraid it's clear you don't understand your position.
Wrong.
Like the theists, their faith system is based on a series of speculative assumptions or deductions:
Matter and energy is the ultimate explanation for life, the universe, and everything.
Something can come from nothing.
Design and order comes from random chance.
Rationality and conscience comes from the inanimate.
At the end of the day, there is no ultimate purpose or meaning, and our brief existence ends at the threshold of the howling void.
Feel free to give convincing evidence there was something before the Big Bang.
The universe had a definite starting point at 13.7 billion years ago, and the Guth-Vilenkin theorem demonstrates that an expanding universe has to have a definite spacetime boundary in the past - aka, it can't be infinitely old.
There was nothing before the Big Bang, and even if one speculates about a multiverse, there has to be an origin point.
I have never said you are confused about what being an implicit atheist is.
I did say that an implicit atheists is just an atheist who is a coward.
I've been challenging atheists, especially implicit atheists probably for longer than you have been alive.
What I am saying is that YOU do not understand that the reason you use "atheist" as a self-descriptor has nothing to do with the bullshit that you simply lack a belief. YOU believe that there are no gods...or you believe that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.
Now you see that you are full of shit...and are trying to double down in a silly way.
Deny that you do not believe that there are no gods...or that you do not believe that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.
C'mon, Sonny. You can do it.
Think man, think!
I base the credibility of the account that disciples came to believe they saw Jesus after the crucifixion on the evidence of historical testimony from multiple sources.
I base the idea of that some type of God, Tao, or universal spirit might exist on the basis of logical inference from the order, design, and lawful nature of the universe.
You've given me no witness testimony, no empirical evidence, or no logical rationale to convince me that you have perfect knowledge of the future.
All other things being equal, the most reasonable deduction is that you are lying.
Yes you did. You called it a "wordgame". You consistently deny my right to lack a belief.
I'll be happy to continue this conversation once you finally get a grip on what your position is. Thanks,
I'm sorry, I'm trying to demonstrate a point to you. Clearly it is missing.
So that is your belief.
blind guess
I never did that. I defy you to find a quote of me saying that. I DEFY YOU TO FIND A QUOTE OF ME SAYING THAT.
I have never denied your right to believe or lack belief. Are you insane?
NEVER have I done that.
I am very firm on my position and have articulated it twice already.
If you think there is something wrong with it...tell me what it is.
Stop hiding. You won't get away with it with me.
another blind guess
QED. I think you can see why I don't believe you anymore.
You don't believe it.
It's bullshit.
No I do not. No sane person would. Every thing I said was correct.
And much of the stuff you said was disturbingly incorrect. I am not sure if you are hallucinating or if you have other serious comprehension problems.
What part are you hallucinating that is incorrect.
Boy, I think these kinds of fora are not for you. You lose it too quickly. As you can tell, I am not a fan of atheism at all, but you are an embarrassment to atheism.
Grow up a bit and let's discuss the topic.
Blind guess.
Because you don't believe what you espouse. You don't even understand your own position.
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Into the Night
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Easy.
Life is materials.
The Universe is materials.
Everything is included in the Universe.
Atheism is not an explanation.
A proof is possible in any closed functional system, such as mathematics or logic. It is not possible in any open functional system, like religion.
Every religion says the same thing.
With the power of the proof comes the power of prediction. Therefore, prediction is possible in mathematics and in logic. You can always predict what 2+2 will equal.
Most religions predict the future. Many posts here predict the future. There's even a thread on it that Damocles set up.
Of course, these are guesses, really, since they involve open functional systems, like religion or politics.
Into the Night
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Guesses need not always be blind, Hugo. There IS such as thing as an 'educated' (or calculated) guess.