No, it isn't the same argument. My argument is quite simple: it isn't illegal.
No, the law was not broken. It isn't illegal.
As I said, I don't want to play "is not, is too" with you so hows about we agree to disagree on this one.
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No, it isn't the same argument. My argument is quite simple: it isn't illegal.
No, the law was not broken. It isn't illegal.
As I said, I don't want to play "is not, is too" with you so hows about we agree to disagree on this one.
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LMFAOOOoooo.... You are too funny! The Hatch Act covers a very wide range of political improprieties concerning payoffs, bribes, offers of quid pro quot, etc. I cited relevant instances where criminal investigation happened as a result of violation of the Hatch Act. I thought that was what you asked for earlier?
And in neither case was the candidate a "potential" primary candidate, they were both engaged in heated primary races, and it would have been an advantage for Obama and the Dems to have them out of those races. If jobs were offered in lieu of them dropping out of their respective races, a violation of the Hatch Act occurred, and it IS INDEED a law that was broken.
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so whats your definition of 'is'?
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Here ya go, dimwit...
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/29/600
18 U.S.C. § 600 : US Code - Section 600: Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity
Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment,
position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit,
provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of
Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such
benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any
political activity or for the support of or opposition to any
candidate or any political party in connection with any general or
special election to any political office, or in connection with any
primary election or political convention or caucus held to select
candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
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It's pretty fucking clear what THE LAW says!
The question remains, was it violated?
Hahahahaha! So your new position is to just deny that it's illegal to offer a candidate a job if they drop out of a primary race?
So explain how a federal law specifically states the opposite.
Twist and shout ...nigels new defense...
No, if he offered then it was illegal then and is still illegal. The difference here is the substantial amount of evidence, and that this was a regular practice to attempt to select State representatives using the power of a branch of the Federal government.
The reality was, in Reagan's case, there was no evidence whatsoever other than a claim by only one of the many, many candidates running in that Primary, that was clearly aimed at the fact that Reagan's daughter was one of them. If such were the case, and it was as well established as these cases, there would have been more than one candidate in that same primary stepping up to that plate. That was not the case. One old man tried to paint the Administration badly in an attempt to garner some minutiae of support in a race he was losing to almost all of the many candidates in that same Primary.
Did you read the "article" that Cypress linked to? I think not, mostly because he didn't link to one, he just posted a picture of one that I found in a link in another story about how they rejected the allegations, which I linked to in my post.
Especially in the Romanoff case all of the elements necessary for a violation exist. Indirectly offering the job doesn't make it better, that's covered, all three of the positions were at least "in part" made possible by an Act of Congress, one even required Senate Confirmation for gawds' sakes, and it was done in support of the Candidate that the President directly came out in support of in a Primary race, all directly mentioned in the law.
It says you have to offer someone something tangible or of value that is provided for by an act of congress.
I thought sestak was broached about being an unpaid advisor to the president's foreign intelligence advisory board. Which wasn't created by an act of congress. It was created by President Eisenhower, as executive branch panel of unpaid experts to give him advice. That was probably an executive order, I doubt it required an act of congress, or require appropriation of funds by congress.
So can you explain what exactly was done that broke this law? I'll admit I ain't a lawyer.
the way it reads, it sounds like Reagan broke the law in 1988, when he offered a paid agency job to hiyakawa. But who knows? Nobody apparently thought reagan broke the law, so I'm assuming its a pretty high legal threshold to actually be held in contempt of this law.
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Right, which probably explains Nigel's new position that "it wasn't illegal!" Might as well stake your ground on that lie, if you're going that route! Later, it can be claimed that they didn't realize it was against the law, because see... Nigel even said it wasn't! It's not fair to punish them for doing something they didn't know was illegal, is it? So... just keep playing stupid Nigel, keep pretending you don't know that it was illegal, and maybe the court of public opinion will find you not guilty by reason of incompetence, but I doubt it.
And again you ignore that all three of the jobs listed in the e-mail from the white house to Romanoff were all "in whole or in part" possible through an act of Congress, one of the three he apparently got to "pick" from even required Senate Confirmation.
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it is really tiring to hear your lies cypress....in my response to you i specifically said "it is wrong no matter who does it"....it would be nice if you could the honest thing and admit you're wrong here, but don't worry, i won't wait
further, it is the height of stupidity to claim that just because someone isn't charged, this proves it isn't illegal...there are various reasons why people aren't charged all the time, say a plea deal from 1st degree murder to manslaughter, that doesn't all of a sudden make the 1st degree murder legal
your logic is wholly underwhelming, but i understand, you can do nothing but defend your party
Usually people aren't charged because of a lack of evidence, there is no such lack in Romanoff's case.
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i'm truly baffled why the libs...nigel, cypress, sappy....haven't gone after onceler for wanting obama impeached and claiming this is the worst (most egregious) thing to happen in a while
why are you guys only arguing with conservatives? why haven't you gone after onceler?
why are you guys only arguing with conservatives? why haven't you gone after onceler?
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LOL...you haven't once been able to offer any rational reason why it is not illegal...
keep spinning nigel, you'll get dizzy soon enough and pass out
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seriously, faack you
because you can't find anyone back then saying anything...i'm not being truly honest....
you are an idiot
Oh, dear me - the board police hath arrived.
And why aren't you going after the righties on this thread?
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it is not a police question...it is an honest question...i haven't gone after the righties on this thread because so far i don't disagree with they are saying you ignorant tool
nigel, cypress, sappy wholly disagree with you, yet, they don't argue with your postition....i wonder if they actually believe you
Tsk, tsk - so much namecalling, Yurtsie.
So, you agree with everything Dixie has said on this thread? Wow - that's an eye-opener, and certainly contradictory.
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yawn....more dishonesty....i already attacked dixie by pointing out to you that even dixie agrees with you dunceler
as for name calling, what a whiny hypocrite...the guy who runs around obsessively calling me yurtsie
they are either hacks for not calling you out or they don't believe you