Ode to the Climate Science-Denier

[Cypress]

I learned by having a love of math and science,

Cypress shows he doesn't understand stats and the errors in the IPCC bullshit, just like you, buddy.

I recalled you laughed and said you had some friend at NOAA who said I was wrong about the oceans driving climate. You are fucking joke.

Go to the NOAA site and read

You warmers are total fucking idiots

Well your "love of science and math" aside, I’d stick to lawn mower repair if I were you, Doctor Science.

In this thread,, you totally bungled the science of your own article that you presented,. And as I pointed out, it was clear you didn’t understand the distinction between evaporative cooling (that results from evapotranspiration), and the greenhouse properties of the gaseous phase of water:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=25946

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=646154&postcount=13



Here’s some more interesting climate science news, from actual reputable climate science experts.

-Source: National Science Foundations (NSF)
-Scientific Qualifications of NSF: Unimpeachable

NSF is normally a staid, and sedate Science organization, not prone to issuing scary-sounding press releases.

Even if hilariously uniformed posters like Dixie claim that evolution is all bullshit, and that increasing CO2 will actually be great for us, there’s one little problem Professor Dixie didn’t account for in his calculations.

Once you melt off the ice sheets and the permafrost, gi-normous gigatons of methane are released from the compromised and perforated permafrost.

Then, we’re in uncharted territory. All bets are off. Methane is a far more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2,

According to the NSF press release: “The release to the atmosphere of only one percent of the methane assumed to be stored in shallow hydrate deposits might alter the current atmospheric burden of methane up to 3 to 4 times,"

And, according to the NSF press release. “Release of even a fraction of the methane stored in the shelf could trigger abrupt climate warming.”

No doubt, life and indeed public policy is all about risk management. What I don’t understand is that Bush voters were willing to risk thousands of peoples lives, and trillions of tax payer dollars on Iraq. A “risk” for which there was ten billion orders of magnitude less evidence for any credible threat, than the evidence which has been presented for climate change.

Bush voters spent years telling Californians there was no risk if we drilled offshore our pristine coast. That it would all be an excellent adventure. Hmmm. That prediction didn’t work out. Cough, cough, BP.

But, when a risk of this magnitude is presented – the clear and credible potential for abrupt, disruptive, and possibly catastrophic climate change – Bush voters will deny, spin, holler, and screech about something they read on a rightwing blog. But, never will they present credible conclusions from any reputable, internationally recognized scientific authority on climate science.

But, it all makes for great comedy. I can see why science-deniers overwhelming vote for Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, and the Tea Bag Party.

National Science Foundation

Press Release.

A section of the Arctic Ocean seafloor that holds vast stores of frozen methane is showing signs of instability and widespread venting of the powerful greenhouse gas, according to the findings of an international research team led by University of Alaska Fairbanks scientists Natalia Shakhova and Igor Semiletov.

The research results, published in the March 5 edition of the journal Science, show that the permafrost under the East Siberian Arctic Shelf, long thought to be an impermeable barrier sealing in methane, is perforated and is starting to leak large amounts of methane into the atmosphere.
Release of even a fraction of the methane stored in the shelf could trigger abrupt climate warming.

"The amount of methane currently coming out of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf is comparable to the amount coming out of the entire world's oceans," said Shakhova, a researcher at UAF's International Arctic Research Center. "Subsea permafrost is losing its ability to be an impermeable cap."

Methane is a greenhouse gas more than 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide. It is released from previously frozen soils in two ways. When the organic material (which contains carbon) stored in permafrost thaws, it begins to decompose and, under anaerobic conditions, gradually releases methane. Methane can also be stored in the seabed as methane gas or methane hydrates and then released as subsea permafrost thaws. These releases can be larger and more abrupt than those that result from decomposition.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=116532&org=NSF&from=news

 

[NOVA]

With all the bullshit oneupsmanship repeating post after post you'd think someone would get to the bottom line....global warming, global cooling and icecap/permafrost your ass...there is nothing we can do to control the natural cycles of the earths climatic evolution....and thats the point the pinheads won't accept...its the natural cycles of mother nature... The earth has gone these cycles for eons....so move on.

 

[Canceled2]

With all the bullshit oneupsmanship repeating post after post you'd think someone would get to the bottom line....global warming, global cooling and icecap/permafrost your ass...there is nothing we can do to control the natural cycles of the earths climatic evolution....and thats the point the pinheads won't accept...its the natural cycles of mother nature... The earth has gone these cycles for eons....so move on.

Science has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the human embryo in its mother's womb is a live human being...still, liberals kill 'em by the millions even though they can prevent it~~~go figure.

 

[Good Luck]

Science has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the human embryo in its mother's womb is a live human being...still, liberals kill 'em by the millions even though they can prevent it~~~go figure.

That's because there is a difference between "human being" and "person". Not all human beings are persons, and laws only apply to "persons" - don't you know that?
/sarcasm

Back on topic: re Cypress NSF article.

Interesting read. Seems that the Earth has the potential to develop a bad case of seaborne flatulence - once again proving that increases in GHGs follow, rather than trigger global warming. And, with vast sources of methane becoming the big player on the field (assuming we reach the point where the gas is released before we enter another cooling period), it shows once more that in the grand scheme of climactic cycles, CO2 is still a bit player (if a player at all.)

One more strike against AGW.

Thanks

 

[apple0154]

Science has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the human embryo in its mother's womb is a live human being...still, liberals kill 'em by the millions even though they can prevent it~~~go figure.

Science has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that every day over twenty thousand children (20,000) die due to poverty.....still, Conservatives not only encourage women to bear children they do not want but attempt to have such a twisted, sadistic policy made law....go figure that.

(Excerpt) According to UNICEF, 24,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world.

1.4 million die each year from lack of access to safe drinking water and adequate sanitation

For the 1.9 billion children from the developing world, there are:
•640 million without adequate shelter (1 in 3)
•400 million with no access to safe water (1 in 5)
•270 million with no access to health services (1 in 7)

Around 27-28 percent of all children in developing countries are estimated to be underweight or stunted.

Less than one per cent of what the world spent every year on weapons was needed to put every child into school by the year 2000 and yet it didn’t happen. (End)
http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

 

[NOVA]

Science has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that every day over twenty thousand children (20,000) die due to poverty.....still, Conservatives not only encourage women to bear children they do not want but attempt to have such a twisted, sadistic policy made law....go figure that.

Yeah, those Cons. travel world wide holding the legs of women spread so they can forced to get impregnated with children they do not want and now forced pregnancy is the law in ....well,...all over. I can imagine their sadistic grins as they practice this unholy policy.

(Excerpt) According to UNICEF, 24,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world.

1.4 million die each year from lack of access to safe drinking water and adequate sanitation

For the 1.9 billion children from the developing world, there are:
•640 million without adequate shelter (1 in 3)
•400 million with no access to safe water (1 in 5)
•270 million with no access to health services (1 in 7)

And its all because of those sadistic conservatives....not allowing the liberals to kill these children and put them out of their misery...Oh, woe is me...

Around 27-28 percent of all children in developing countries are estimated to be underweight or stunted.

Really, underweight and stunted,...help the liberals like Apple see that they,re killed in short order...hes from the educated class, and hes here to help...

Less than one per cent of what the world spent every year on weapons was needed to put every child into school by the year 2000 and yet it didn’t happen. (End)
http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

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[Good Luck]

Science has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that every day over twenty thousand children (20,000) die due to poverty.....still, Conservatives not only encourage women to bear children they do not want but attempt to have such a twisted, sadistic policy made law....go figure that.

Yes, indeed, the evils of conservatism. We all know that death is far preferable to poverty. In fact, if we applied the "better dead than poor" principle to everyone, the entire issue of social programs would be solved. We could get Dr. Kevorkian to head the program.

The defense of legal abortion due to children in poverty is, without a doubt, the sickest, mind twisted pieces of subhuman "reasoning" (and I do use the term loosely!) ever invented in the field of political or philosophical debate.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yes, indeed, the evils of conservatism. We all know that death is far preferable to poverty. In fact, if we applied the "better dead than poor" principle to everyone, the entire issue of social programs would be solved. We could get Dr. Kevorkian to head the program.

The defense of legal abortion due to children in poverty is, without a doubt, the sickest, mind twisted pieces of subhuman "reasoning" (and I do use the term loosely!) ever invented in the field of political or philosophical debate.

Yes, but don't you understand his reasoning? All those poor women who are being forced to have babies by conservatives, would be much economically better off without those little rug rats weighing them down like a ball and chain!

 

[Canceled2]

Kill the poor~~~

 

[Canceled2]

Science has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that every day over twenty thousand children (20,000) die due to poverty.....still, Conservatives not only encourage women to bear children they do not want but attempt to have such a twisted, sadistic policy made law....go figure that.

(Excerpt) According to UNICEF, 24,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world.

1.4 million die each year from lack of access to safe drinking water and adequate sanitation

For the 1.9 billion children from the developing world, there are:
•640 million without adequate shelter (1 in 3)
•400 million with no access to safe water (1 in 5)
•270 million with no access to health services (1 in 7)

Around 27-28 percent of all children in developing countries are estimated to be underweight or stunted.

Less than one per cent of what the world spent every year on weapons was needed to put every child into school by the year 2000 and yet it didn’t happen. (End)
http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

Well if we are going global ...then we are talking many many more millions and millions die from abortion. Let's just abort all the poor and save some fucking money man!

 

[apple0154]

Yes, indeed, the evils of conservatism. We all know that death is far preferable to poverty. In fact, if we applied the "better dead than poor" principle to everyone, the entire issue of social programs would be solved. We could get Dr. Kevorkian to head the program.

The defense of legal abortion due to children in poverty is, without a doubt, the sickest, mind twisted pieces of subhuman "reasoning" (and I do use the term loosely!) ever invented in the field of political or philosophical debate.

It's not "better dead than poor". It's better not to bring children into the world than doing so and then have them die due to poverty. Try to grasp the difference.

It's a farce, a lie, that anti-abortionists care about children. There are millions of children already here who require help. Help them. Then your argument might have credence. Adding to the problem knowing full well the suffering they will endure is sadistic.

Why do you want to bring more children into the world knowing that thousands are dying every day? Why? What twisted belief could possibly motivate someone to not only encourage such action but to mandate it in law?

We know why past civilizations outlawed abortion. It was so there would be enough young men to send to the slaughter of war. Just like the deal between the Emperor of France and the Pope, in 1869, where the Emperor, facing a declining population, declared the Pope infallible in exchange for the Pope telling the people abortion was against the will of God. Truly a deal made in HELL!

I suggest you take a closer look at sub-human reasoning.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

shut the fuck up you piece of garbage, no one gives a shit what your immoral unethical viewpoints are.

 

[apple0154]

shut the fuck up you piece of garbage, no one gives a shit what your immoral unethical viewpoints are.

It's not a "viewpoint". It is a fact. Two slime balls making a deal to increase their respective powers. What's your definition of "moral" and "ethical"?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

It's not a "viewpoint". It is a fact. Two slime balls making a deal to increase their respective powers. What's your definition of "moral" and "ethical"?

My definition doesn't include allowing the outright murder of 40 million people for the sake of vanity and convenience, then parading around on a 'high horse' made out of absolute shit, acting like you have some moral right to kill innocent unborn babies. You are pond scum! The lowest of the low! You are worse than a maggot... maggots at least eat shit and turn into a fly then die... you just eat shit and grin, like some kind of goofy bitch, and keep on spewing your idiocy all over us! Can't you just burrow up in a turd and croak?

 

[Good Luck]

It's not "better dead than poor". It's better not to bring children into the world than doing so and then have them die due to poverty. Try to grasp the difference.

Right. What difference is there? Kill them before they are born - no different than saying it is better dead than poor. The "not bring them into the world" statement simply continues to ignore the FACT - proven by the SCIENCE OF BIOLOGY that abortion KILLS a living human being. Therefore your "difference" is based on a lie. The only "difference" is abortion kills them quicker and at a younger age (though, often, more painfully.)

All the rest is typical modern liberal lies, also. "Conservatives don't care" bull shit is tiresome beyond comprehension. Conservative care plenty - that is why conservatives, on average, give more to voluntary assistance charities, and devote more volunteer time to local assistance projects than liberals. Truth is it is the liberals who don't care about anyone but themselves - if someone is in trouble, let the government take care of it, liberals cannot be bothered to do more than pull a vote lever.

Must be hard to maintain the lies and still look at yourself in the mirror. Then again, if your type were to ever actually admit the truth of the shit you support, THAT is when mirrors will become your enemy.

 

[apple0154]

My definition doesn't include allowing the outright murder of 40 million people for the sake of vanity and convenience, then parading around on a 'high horse' made out of absolute shit, acting like you have some moral right to kill innocent unborn babies. You are pond scum! The lowest of the low! You are worse than a maggot... maggots at least eat shit and turn into a fly then die... you just eat shit and grin, like some kind of goofy bitch, and keep on spewing your idiocy all over us! Can't you just burrow up in a turd and croak?

Unborn babies? Is that like an "undead corpse"? An "unmarried husband"?

You speak strange words.

 

[apple0154]

Right. What difference is there? Kill them before they are born - no different than saying it is better dead than poor. The "not bring them into the world" statement simply continues to ignore the FACT - proven by the SCIENCE OF BIOLOGY that abortion KILLS a living human being. Therefore your "difference" is based on a lie. The only "difference" is abortion kills them quicker and at a younger age (though, often, more painfully.)

All the rest is typical modern liberal lies, also. "Conservatives don't care" bull shit is tiresome beyond comprehension. Conservative care plenty - that is why conservatives, on average, give more to voluntary assistance charities, and devote more volunteer time to local assistance projects than liberals. Truth is it is the liberals who don't care about anyone but themselves - if someone is in trouble, let the government take care of it, liberals cannot be bothered to do more than pull a vote lever.

Must be hard to maintain the lies and still look at yourself in the mirror. Then again, if your type were to ever actually admit the truth of the shit you support, THAT is when mirrors will become your enemy.

I doubt you'd ever visit a country where the children are dying by the hundreds every day but you could visit a hospital the specializes in sick children. Check out the genetically damaged children and the operations and resulting pain they go through. While witnessing the horror remember that genetic tests were available but some women never availed themselves to them or decided for some unfathomable reason it is better to bring such a child into the world, regardless.

Check out a hospital and then return home and look in your mirror. Let me know what you see.

 

[NOVA]

I doubt you'd ever visit a country where the children are dying by the hundreds every day but you could visit a hospital the specializes in sick children. Check out the genetically damaged children and the operations and resulting pain they go through. While witnessing the horror remember that genetic tests were available but

some women never availed themselves to them or

decided for some unfathomable reason it is better to bring such a child into the world, regardless.

Check out a hospital and then return home and look in your mirror. Let me know what you see.

And I'm supposed to be responsible for this...because

1...the women decided to not get tested
or
2...the women decided to have the baby..

You are one of the most elitist, arrogant and illogical assholes on this site...
and that is quite a feat considering some of the clowns and morons here.

Why don't you just kill the llittle fucks and put them out of their misery on your next visit...you obviously have kind of sicko God complex anyway....
Who the fuck did those women think they were to decide for themselves what they wanted to do....right?

You could use some serious psychological help.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Unborn babies? Is that like an "undead corpse"? An "unmarried husband"?

You speak strange words.

No, a corpse is not living and an unmarried person is not a husband. An unborn fetus is a living human being, regardless of what you want to tell yourself.

 

[apple0154]

And I'm supposed to be responsible for this...because

1...the women decided to not get tested
or
2...the women decided to have the baby..

You are one of the most elitist, arrogant and illogical assholes on this site...
and that is quite a feat considering some of the clowns and morons here.

Why don't you just kill the llittle fucks and put them out of their misery on your next visit...you obviously have kind of sicko God complex anyway....
Who the fuck did those women think they were to decide for themselves what they wanted to do....right?

You could use some serious psychological help.

Go to a hospital and see for yourself. Until you do you're just talking out of ignorance.