Rand Paul Wins Primary!

Originally Posted by Cypress

I seriously doubt the employees of the Miss Black USA pageanet, to the extent there are any, are waived from complying with anti-discrmination employments laws. I'm sure a white women can get hired to answer the phones for the president of Miss Black USA, or whatever

The contestants themselves are not employees.


And BET?

Do you think the beauty pageants honestly consider hiring white MCs or would you guess most of them are biased to a member of the minority?

Yeah, like I said, weasel words.

Did you really think BET only hires blacks?

BET is an Equal Opportunity Employer. They hire qualified individuals, regardless of race. Just google job opportunites at BET

Job Opening: DIRECTOR, BET NEWS

"BET Networks is an Equal Opportunity Employer EOE"

http://www.dcjobs.com/jobs.asp?page...ck+Entertainment+Television&kl=Washington,+DC

RS, I'm getting the distinct impression that you simply don't know how discrimination laws work, and who they apply to. I'm sure you could walk into any BET corporate office and find white people and hispanic people working there. I'm sure BET is subject to the exact same anti-discrimination employment laws, that their parent company VIACOM is.


At any rate, now that we've cleared that up, don't you think it's a legitimate question to ask Rand Paul why he doesn't support some landmark civil rights legislation statutes, and don't you think the prudent person would find it valuable information to know his position on them? Because it is very informative to know this information, and to make a judgement on whether Rand Paul would be supportive of other laws that were promulgated pursuant to the interstate commerce clause.

While it appears you have made the case that rand paul shouldn't be questioned on these topics, and people should leave him alone on this, the fact of the matter is that the application of the Interstate Commerce clause is pretty much the most important issue in domestic policy. It's the keystone of pretty much all the authorities the federal government has with respect to labor, the environment, business, and banking.

I think it would be important to have Rand Paul clearly articulate what he thinks of the Fair Housing Act, the Child Labor laws, and worker safety laws, and how he views more broadly, the interstate commerce clause. Don't you?
 
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No, I don't. As I said, some licensure requirement are effing stupid, but many aren't. You see, I'm not a rigid dogmatist, unlike many libertarians, including yourself, apparently.

They all are stupid and they all act as a barrier to market entry, often for specious reasons. I don't need you to tell me who my doctor may be anymore than I need you to tell me who should braid my hair.

Civil courts and the market are not likely to provide adequate remedies for people that are seriously harmed by unqualified people performing potentially dangerous occupations.

There is no need to so long as I know their qualifications. In fact, the market would keep many incompetents off the market through insurance rates that would make their practice unviable.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Your position was that anti-discrimination laws are not current issues. Well, they are. Rand Paul, if he were to win, is likely to vote on the ENDA.

Then ask him how he will vote on that. The question on ADA is not really designed to give insights to that, though it does offer some. It is intended to make him look like some guy who is is going go tear up all the wheelchair ramps and make bathroom stalls more narrow.

And I find it quite telling that you don't venture to opine about the subjects that I've raised or provide any evidence of Rand Paul's actual views. That's the trouble with libertarian dogma. It forces you to take positions that are unworkable and untenable, like opposing the CRA.

It is not untenable.

You asked for the libertarian perspective and I offered one. I can't answer, with exact certainty, how he is going to stand on every issue. If that's all you are after then you will just have to go to his website, which will limit you to only his priorities, but it is going to leave a lot out. I assume that is why you asked your question.
 
They all are stupid and they all act as a barrier to market entry, often for specious reasons. I don't need you to tell me who my doctor may be anymore than I need you to tell me who should braid my hair.

There is no need to so long as I know their qualifications. In fact, the market would keep many incompetents off the market through insurance rates that would make their practice unviable.

No, the market would ensure that quacks don't practice for a long time, but it won't do a fucking thing for people that are harmed by unqualified quacks that cause shitloads of harm to actual people who will never recover a dime through litigation. Your ideal system doesn't work.


Then ask him how he will vote on that. The question on ADA is not really designed to give insights to that, though it does offer some. It is intended to make him look like some guy who is is going go tear up all the wheelchair ramps and make bathroom stalls more narrow.

Probing the extremes is often revealing. I'm sure you can understand why. And frankly, opposing the ADA is basically fucked up. Period.


It is not untenable.

You asked for the libertarian perspective and I offered one. I can't answer, with exact certainty, how he is going to stand on every issue. If that's all you are after then you will just have to go to his website, which will limit you to only his priorities, but it is going to leave a lot out. I assume that is why you asked your question.


Look, I proposed some hypotheticals. You responded. If you don't want to speak for him then don't.
 
Did you really think BET only hires blacks?

BET is an Equal Opportunity Employer. They hire qualified individuals, regardless of race. Just google job opportunites at BET blah blah blah

So, BET policy of on air talent being explicitly black does not violate the law in your opinion?

http://bleecasting.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/bet-host-on-air-talent-search/

AUDITIONS ARE IN NEW YORK. IF OUTSIDE NYC, PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR REEL OR INCLUDE A LINK TO VIDEO. IF SELECTED, TRAVEL AND ACCOMMODATIONS TO NEW YORK WILL BE PROVIDED BY PRODUCERS FOR CALLBACKS.
BET (Black Entertainment Television) is searching nationally for hosts / on-air personalities / VJs. Knowledge of music trivia, music’s major players, music history and the industry is a MUST!!! from hip hop to pop. We’re seeking fun, outgoing, articulate, spirited people who are either in college or RECENT college graduates. A background in journalism, communications or music is ideal. People with significant achievements in these fields are encouraged to apply. We are looking for a lover of all things music. Deejays, radio personalities, music bloggers and comedians welcome. Candidates must possess interviewing skills. Must be based in or willing to relocate to NYC. MUST include notes on why you feel you are perfect for this position ASAP. Specifically seeking candidates that reflect the demographics of the network and its audience.

If a WET does this it's not illegal and does not offend you?

You evaded the pageant MC question you gonna do the same here?

While it appears you have made the case that rand paul shouldn't be questioned on these topics, and people should leave him alone on this, the fact of the matter is that the application of the Interstate Commerce clause is pretty much the most important issue in domestic policy. It's the keystone of pretty much all the authorities the federal government has with respect to labor, the environment, business, and banking.

WTF RU talking about. Ask whatever you want of him. If you are going to do it just to smear and are not sincerely asking to gain understanding, then I don't approve of your tactics but you can still do it anyway. It's gonna happen.

I think it would be important to have Rand Paul clearly articulate what he thinks of the Fair Housing Act, the Child Labor laws, and worker safety laws, and how he views more broadly, the interstate commerce clause. Don't you?

Interstate commerce clause, definitely. I don't see why he should address the other issues since they are not terribly relevant to anything but your attempt to paint him as kook. He's extreme. You know it and I know it. It is going to be an issue. Just don't fucking bother telling me you are sincerely curious, you are not. You know it and I know it.

The thing about libertarians is that we are honest to a fault on what the limits of our views are, even though many of the positions are not all that terribly relevant to us at this time. Meanwhile, Democrats and Republicans will completely ignore such questions or lie about their positions on the things that may make them appear extreme. You will tell us you don't really want to fully socialize medicine, just make some needed adjustments, knowing full well that when they fail you will be able to use it as a pretext to sneak in more.
 
No, the market would ensure that quacks don't practice for a long time, but it won't do a fucking thing for people that are harmed by unqualified quacks that cause shitloads of harm to actual people who will never recover a dime through litigation. Your ideal system doesn't work.

Yeah, it would. You'd still be able to sue a quack for misrepresenting his ability and failing to deliver. It would have no effect on litigation options.

You are saying people need to be protected from making bad choices in service providers. It does not FULLY protect them from quacks. Many are licensed anyway. It protects the service providers from competition.

Probing the extremes is often revealing. I'm sure you can understand why. And frankly, opposing the ADA is basically fucked up. Period.

Sure it is. If you have already made up your mind and are just looking for ammunition though, be honest about it.


Look, I proposed some hypotheticals. You responded. If you don't want to speak for him then don't.

No, you wondered about Paul's position and asked for libertarian perspective in understanding it. I answered, then you ignored my response to claim that Rand Paul "seems" to oppose all government regulation. You have been corrected on it a couple times now and he does not "seem" to support what you claim at all.

Why would I answer your other questions, if you are just going to ignore the information I provide, then claim that he "seems" to support whatever you believe casts him in a bad light? If you are looking for info I will help. If you are looking for ammunition dig around for yourself and I will tell you why you are wrong or how you have misconstrued it.
 
Whoda'thunk it? And by quite a large margin.

The people who ran this campaign have a lot to be proud of, and in November, we have good reason to believe they'll have a lot more to take pride in.

Proud? Did you see his interview here? [ame="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/37244354#37244354"]Rachel Maddow Show[/ame]

While the clip is 20 minutes jump in anywhere. He may be new at politics but he definitely picked up the art of waffling, skirting an issue, talking around a subject, equivocating and, basically, doing everything but answering a straight-forward question.

Gee, what a change. NOT!
 
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Originally Posted by NigelTufnel View Post
No, the market would ensure that quacks don't practice for a long time, but it won't do a fucking thing for people that are harmed by unqualified quacks that cause shitloads of harm to actual people who will never recover a dime through litigation. Your ideal system doesn't work.

Yeah, it would. You'd still be able to sue a quack for misrepresenting his ability and failing to deliver. It would have no effect on litigation options.

You are saying people need to be protected from making bad choices in service providers. It does not FULLY protect them from quacks. Many are licensed anyway. It protects the service providers from competition.

I have to jump in here. My view is businesses require MORE government regulation. Regarding service providers let me give you an example.

Years ago, I had windows replaced in a tri-plex. After attending a "Home Fair" and collecting business cards there is a government agency available (where I live) which lists the owner of the company and previous owners.

The point is the "ABC" window company was owned by a Mr. P. Smith. The year before it was owned by a Mr. T. Smith and the year before that it was owned by a Mrs. T. Smith. The point being every year that company would install faulty windows but issue a 10 year guarantee. Almost immediately the purchasers would notice a problem and sue the company.

No problem for the company. Being similar to a LLC company the only monetary compensation the purchasers were entitled to was what the company owned. The company assets which consisted of a rusted out pick-up and a hammer. The company declared bankruptcy and was sold. Sold to whom? Sold to a brother or their wife or an uncle or some other family member.

In other words after scamming people over a six month period and using that money to pay their home mortgage and/or buy a new car and/or send the kids to college the only redress the customers had was access to what was registered as company property which was, as I noted, a 15 year old rusty pick-up and perhaps a hammer.

Fortunately, I was aware of the government service regarding checking companies. Many people are not. Furthermore, such companies advertise nationally recognized windows, however, when a problem arises the National Company places the blame on faulty installation and the installation company happens to be the guy with the rusty pick-up. Kiss the warranty from the National Company good-bye.

There are too many scams when it comes to private businesses and this idea of having the business separate from ones personal holdings, such as their home, encourages scams.

Why should a person be allowed to open a business, scam customers, benefit from that money by buying a car or paying a mortgage and the cheated customer not be allowed to go after the scammer's assets, assets acquired from the money obtained from scamming people?

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Yeah, it would. You'd still be able to sue a quack for misrepresenting his ability and failing to deliver. It would have no effect on litigation options.

You are saying people need to be protected from making bad choices in service providers. It does not FULLY protect them from quacks. Many are licensed anyway. It protects the service providers from competition.



Sure it is. If you have already made up your mind and are just looking for ammunition though, be honest about it.




No, you wondered about Paul's position and asked for libertarian perspective in understanding it. I answered, then you ignored my response to claim that Rand Paul "seems" to oppose all government regulation. You have been corrected on it a couple times now and he does not "seem" to support what you claim at all.

Why would I answer your other questions, if you are just going to ignore the information I provide, then claim that he "seems" to support whatever you believe casts him in a bad light? If you are looking for info I will help. If you are looking for ammunition dig around for yourself and I will tell you why you are wrong or how you have misconstrued it.
 
So, BET policy of on air talent being explicitly black does not violate the law in your opinion?

http://bleecasting.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/bet-host-on-air-talent-search/



If a WET does this it's not illegal and does not offend you?

You evaded the pageant MC question you gonna do the same here?



WTF RU talking about. Ask whatever you want of him. If you are going to do it just to smear and are not sincerely asking to gain understanding, then I don't approve of your tactics but you can still do it anyway. It's gonna happen.



Interstate commerce clause, definitely. I don't see why he should address the other issues since they are not terribly relevant to anything but your attempt to paint him as kook. He's extreme. You know it and I know it. It is going to be an issue. Just don't fucking bother telling me you are sincerely curious, you are not. You know it and I know it.

The thing about libertarians is that we are honest to a fault on what the limits of our views are, even though many of the positions are not all that terribly relevant to us at this time. Meanwhile, Democrats and Republicans will completely ignore such questions or lie about their positions on the things that may make them appear extreme. You will tell us you don't really want to fully socialize medicine, just make some needed adjustments, knowing full well that when they fail you will be able to use it as a pretext to sneak in more.



BET, the company, hires all skin colors in it's employment force. That is beyond debate, because they are clearly subject to federal employment discrimination laws. If white people don't want to apply to work there, that's a choice. Just like white people who choose not to join a black student union club in high school. That's strictly a personal choice, since the club is open to everyone. The fact that BET's on-air shows feature black talent, I believe you yourself addressed in that other thread, in admirable fashion I might add. Cheers to you. So, I presume I don't need to repeat the excellent arguments you yourself made.

As for Rand Paul being totally honest and transparent, that texas-two step shuffle he did on the Maddow show was anything but straightforward and honest.

I never said I was merely curious for benign and theoretical reasons about his stance on landmark civil rights cases, or on the interstate commerce clause. This is a democracy, and this is the battlefield of ideas. If a libertarian wants to claim that the Interstate commerce clause is extremely limited in scope, and that private businesses should be allowed to discriminate, that's fine. I think my ideas of civil rights and the regulatory capacity of the Feds to regulate them are superior to ideological libertarians. And I'm confident my ideas on that issue can easily win on the battle ground of ideas, and on the basis of convincing fellow americans. I'm not ashamed of any of my ideas on substantive liberal issues. I don't think Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, or Bernie Sanders are either. That's why I would much rather Rand Paul be openly transparent about his ideas on the Interstate commerce clause, and landmark civil rights cases. I would rather he not be ashamed of them, or do the texas-two step to dodge the questions on television.

Now, just to be nice to Rand, I will say, that in terms of foreign policy, I imagine I could respect Rand Paul. Assuming his foreign policy views are similar to his father's.
 
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BET, the company, hires all skin colors in it's employment force. That is beyond debate, because they are clearly subject to federal employment discrimination laws. If white people don't want to apply to work there, that's a choice. Just like white people who choose not to join a black student union club in high school. That's strictly a personal choice, since the club is open to everyone. The fact that BET's on-air shows feature black talent, I believe you yourself addressed in that other thread, in admirable fashion I might add. Cheers to you. So, I presume I don't need to repeat the excellent arguments you yourself made.

Yes, but my position does not change based on skin color. I think a WET should be perfectly legal. I would still label it racist, though. Legal != Moral.

You are evading. I just showed you that BET does discriminate in hiring. I don't know if it violates the law. Apparently not, but I imagine if it were a WET you might have a problem with it, legally.

If not, then what the law and you seem to be saying is that a company may discriminate in those jobs that represent the public face of the company, but not in the back office/behind the scenes jobs. But let's be honest, a white entertainment channel or business that caters explicitly to white customers is not likely to get many minority applicants, because of the public face they present. The reverse is also true.

If businesses popped up everywhere claiming to explicitly cater to white customers and this were allowed, they could easily push minorities in to the lower paying jobs. The minorities might be hired, if they apply, to clean the toilets, but don't let the customer see 'em. It would be discriminatory.

So, the question remains, is it okay for them to discriminate in hiring on-air talent and would you object to a white equivalent doing the same. Same thing for the beauty pageant and the MC.

I can't get the video to run right now. So, I will have to come back to that.

It's fine if you are just digging for dirt, cypress, but no one is obligated to help you. Not Rand Paul and certainly not me. If he lies about his views that would be wrong but he can ignore your smear attempts if he wants.

Would you expect Bill Clinton to talk about Monica Lewinsky when he is trying to address some other problem he believes is more pressing, say like when he came out to help on Katrina. He has a right to ignore such questions and focus on what he wants. Every politician does it, and frankly, it is more important to know what his goals are than to know whether he thinks Madison screwed the pooch in the War of 1812. Those are nice for theoretical discussions but have little application to relevant issues of today.

You are not going to vote for him if he doesn't answer your question about a bill passed half a century ago. Oh what a pity, he has lost... not one single vote.
 
Yes, but my position does not change based on skin color. I think a WET should be perfectly legal. I would still label it racist, though. Legal != Moral.

You are evading. I just showed you that BET does discriminate in hiring. I don't know if it violates the law. Apparently not, but I imagine if it were a WET you might have a problem with it, legally.

If not, then what the law and you seem to be saying is that a company may discriminate in those jobs that represent the public face of the company, but not in the back office/behind the scenes jobs. But let's be honest, a white entertainment channel or business that caters explicitly to white customers is not likely to get many minority applicants, because of the public face they present. The reverse is also true.

If businesses popped up everywhere claiming to explicitly cater to white customers and this were allowed, they could easily push minorities in to the lower paying jobs. The minorities might be hired, if they apply, to clean the toilets, but don't let the customer see 'em. It would be discriminatory.

So, the question remains, is it okay for them to discriminate in hiring on-air talent and would you object to a white equivalent doing the same. Same thing for the beauty pageant and the MC.

I can't get the video to run right now. So, I will have to come back to that.

It's fine if you are just digging for dirt, cypress, but no one is obligated to help you. Not Rand Paul and certainly not me. If he lies about his views that would be wrong but he can ignore your smear attempts if he wants.

Would you expect Bill Clinton to talk about Monica Lewinsky when he is trying to address some other problem he believes is more pressing, say like when he came out to help on Katrina. He has a right to ignore such questions and focus on what he wants. Every politician does it, and frankly, it is more important to know what his goals are than to know whether he thinks Madison screwed the pooch in the War of 1812. Those are nice for theoretical discussions but have little application to relevant issues of today.

You are not going to vote for him if he doesn't answer your question about a bill passed half a century ago. Oh what a pity, he has lost... not one single vote.



I think we're through with BET. BET, the Jewish Television Network, and the hispanic entertainment outlets serve consumer products in the free market for which there is a demand. A demand that you yourself pointed out is not satisfied by hollywood, corporate cable, or the networks. We don't need to rehash that; your arguments were excellent. As for hiring employees to work within the company, I'm sure BET and Jewish Television are required to comply with all applicable federal discrmination laws.

Monica Lewinsky wasn't a public policy issue.

I get the impression that you don't think these civil rights issues are important, and not a big deal.

Actually, I think if Rand gets elected to the Senate, he is routinely going to vote on civil rights issues, or issues pertaining to the proper use of the interstate commerce clause.

So, if he is on record against the Fair Housing ACt, the ADA, and he has sort of texas-two step shuffled around the CRA, how do you think he would vote on this? I think its a legitimate question:



Sen. Al Franken Introduces Student Non-Discrimination Act to Senate

Senator Al Franken and 22 cosponsors introduced the Student Non-Discrimination Act, a companion to companion bill to H.R. 4530, introduced by Rep. Jared Polis in the House early this year, which would prohibit discrimination in schools on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity/expression. Rep. Polis’s bill currently has the support of over 100 representatives.
 
No, the market would ensure that quacks don't practice for a long time, but it won't do a fucking thing for people that are harmed by unqualified quacks that cause shitloads of harm to actual people who will never recover a dime through litigation. Your ideal system doesn't work.

why would there be no recovery through litigation?
 
why would there be no recovery through litigation?

I assumed he was saying that litigation does not always provide remedy and does not prevent all harm. It certainly does not. Licensing laws don't either. So apparently he is bitching that no licensing laws would lead to the same imperfect results that licensing laws do.

The fact is, the licensing laws create special interest groups, like the AMA, that seek to limit liability and cover up the incompetence of members. It's really just a union or a guild. The licensing laws just require us to hire union service providers.
 
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Proud? Did you see his interview here? Rachel Maddow Show

While the clip is 20 minutes jump in anywhere. He may be new at politics but he definitely picked up the art of waffling, skirting an issue, talking around a subject, equivocating and, basically, doing everything but answering a straight-forward question.

Gee, what a change. NOT!

I watched the whole thing yesterday and his weasel words were embarrassing. This is a lot for him to overcome, IMO.
 
Cypress, your original statement was...

Do I think AsshatZombie, Bravo, and Good Luck (or whatever his name is) should be able to form their own whites-only Klan chapter, as long as it's a strictly private club, not engaged in interstate commerce, housing, employment, or business transactions

Obviously, BET engages in interstate commerce, employment and business transactions. So your vague limits do not apply to them and would not apply to a whites only group. They can hire (and discriminate based on race for certain positions but not all), engage in interstate commerce, and conduct business transactions, correct?

My comments in the other thread were not about why BET should be legal. They were about why it is not racist or immoral. But it is wrong to say that an act should be illegal for one group and not the other.
 
This incident just demonstrates the leftist bias of the media. These kinds of questions are philosophically legitimate, but as a test of actual policy making they are only intended to distract from the fact that Rand Paul has got the goods on policy and Jack Conway only has the Obama agenda to run on.

As the debate becomes more substantial between the two candidates, Rand Paul will destroy Conway. Conway can't go until November on this stuff. Rand Paul is not some LP activist who is going to debate the merits of personal nuclear weapons.

He's going to talk about balanced budgets, term limits, an end to bailouts and printing money and Kentuckians are going to agree.

Including the huge number of Conservative Democrats who can't stand Conway.
 
This incident just demonstrates the leftist bias of the media. These kinds of questions are philosophically legitimate, but as a test of actual policy making they are only intended to distract from the fact that Rand Paul has got the goods on policy and Jack Conway only has the Obama agenda to run on.

As the debate becomes more substantial between the two candidates, Rand Paul will destroy Conway. Conway can't go until November on this stuff. Rand Paul is not some LP activist who is going to debate the merits of personal nuclear weapons.

He's going to talk about balanced budgets, term limits, an end to bailouts and printing money and Kentuckians are going to agree.

Including the huge number of Conservative Democrats who can't stand Conway.


No one asked Rand Paul if he thought citizens have the right to bear nuclear weapons. That’s a red herring, and I seriously doubt any legitimate journalist is ever going to ask him that question.

Rachel Maddow asked him some hard-ball, but eminently fair questions: does he think the government has the authority to prevent discrimination in the work place and in businesses. That’s an entirely fair question. If the libertarian’s position is sound and principled, and if Rand Paul believes in his position, he should be able to articulate it and defend it. There’s nothing “leftist” about Rachel's question. Indeed, Most republicans themselves are running to the hills to dissociate themselves from Rand’s ideological premise that discrimination, however unpalatable it is, should be free from government regulation in private business.

Don’t take offense at this, but I’ve mostly been given the impression that libertarians often proclaim they are above the fray. Policy wonks, flying magically above the fray of standard American political electioneering. Yet, I’ve routinely seen libertarian’s caricature liberals as “statists”, “socialists”, and “leftists”. In American lexicon, the word “leftist” and statist” is a direct substitute intended to conjure up the image of Bolsheviks, Sandinistas, or Maoists. So, I would only note to you that it is very disingenuous for libertarians to claim to be above the fray, while themselves engaging in cartoonish and/or disparaging caricatures.

Rand Paul said yesterday that Obama was being “un-American” because Obama was being too mean to British Petroleum. “Too mean” to British Petroleum? LOL

Has anyone called Rand Paul un-American?

Now, Rand Paul has cancelled his Meet the Press appearance on Sunday. Reportedly, only one of three people in the history of MTP to cancel an interview. That’s fine. But every question he has been asked has been eminently fair. This is politics, and if libertarians are proud of their positions on the interstate commerce clause, or the landmark civil rights cases, they should be expected to articulate them, make the case for them, and defend them. If your positions are sound you should be able to sell them.

If there’s some level of deep-seated shame of the more extreme libertarian positions, and some of these libertarians candidates would rather keep them under the radar while flying into elected office on softball questions about a a gold standard, or the proper role of anti-smoking laws in public establishments, that’s fine. That is reminiscent of political entities that tried to conceal important elements of their ideology before they were in positions of power. Bolsheviks and Sandinistas indeed.

The applications of the interstate commerce clause, and landmark civil rights cases are firmly at the core of american domestic policy. Blabbing about the gold standard or eliminating the department of Education is fine. But, almost everything the federal government does at the domestic level – civil rights enforcement, domestic spending, transportation, and environmental protection – is tied at some level to exercising the authority of the Interstate commerce clause. This is the core of american policy and questions directed to Rand Paul with regards to this are eminently fair, and are completely legitimate questions.
 
I see the wingnuts are out in full force against Paul...

I don't follow Libertarian politics so I honestly had no prior knowledge of Rand Paul and his opinions or platform.

But after watching the entire 20-minute program, I was very, very uncomfortable with his take on civil rights. What I got out of it is that Paul says he's 100% against discrimination in the public sector but that others in the private sector should be allowed to make their own rules about who they cater to. This is a slippery slope that, IMO, could bring back all the abuses of the past.

If I misinterpreted Paul, let me know how.
 
If there’s some level of deep-seated shame of the more extreme libertarian positions, and some of these libertarians candidates would rather keep them under the radar while flying into elected office on softball questions about a a gold standard, or the proper role of anti-smoking laws in public establishments, that’s fine. That is reminiscent of political entities that tried to conceal important elements of their ideology before they were in positions of power. Bolsheviks and Sandinistas indeed.

There are tons of books on libertarian philosophy that explicitly address these and other subjects. They are difficult and fairly nuanced subjects that are not easy to explain in short sound bites. Libertarian candidates that ignore such questions concerning what they think about some obscure point that has little to no relevance to today's world are no different than Democrats and Republicans whose platforms only deal with today's issues and there priorities concerning them.

That is standard procedure for Dems and Repubs. It makes sense in the world of politics. For instance, we all know that Dems want more than what passed in the HCR. But, nobody demanded that Obama focus all his attention defending his comments in favor of a single payer system. Instead he focused on his interim measure. Frankly, there is not much reason to demand that Obama defend single payer healthcare since it is not on the table yet and will not likely be in this term or even a second, if he gets it. Rand Paul will be dead and gone before there is any possibility of a vote on the CRA of 64.

You want a double standard where those opposed to more government are forced to defend the extremes instead of focusing real world policy proposals. That to a large degree is what happened on HCR where the left attempted to force the right/libertarians into defending completely free market healthcare or the status quo. The first is a virtual straw man, since it was not on the table, and the other is an actual one since opponents of big government did not support the status quo but instead were proposing market reforms.

The Republicans do it too. For instance, opponents of the war in Iraq were cast as supporting Saddam or just wanting to ignore any attempts he might be making to aquire WMDs. But, that was not what was being offered as a counter policy.
 
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