DOJ announces plans to prioritize cases to revoke citizenship

Damocles said:
You skipped past things like the fact that he lied about his conviction on the form for naturalization.

I am disturbed that we can revoke someone's citizenship, but it does require them to have lied on the forms or otherwise committed a crime and then lied on the form to have it done.

Basically, we'd have said no had they followed the law, so we're just saying "no" now.
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I'll go one step further. I believe that this issue will ultimately go before the Supreme Court who will decide that the Federal government had the responsibility to provide full due diligence, and that once the Federal government decided to grant citizenship, they don't get to go back, any more than a gambler who regrets a lost bet or a car buyer who forgets to inspect thoroughly and gets a lemon. I think it will be argued that if you allow the Federal government to rescind citizenship, it will become tomorrow's lawfare, with the government always able to find some typo or some trivial error to which they can point and say "He LIED on the forms." If the government hasn't thoroughly vetted someone, it shouldn't allow him to become a citizen until it does, because once citizenship is granted, you can't go back and get a do-over.
 
Yes, in certain circumstances, it is legal to revoke or rescind U.S. citizenship. This most commonly occurs through renunciation or denaturalization. Renunciation involves a voluntary, intentional act by a U.S. citizen to give up their citizenship. Denaturalization, on the other hand, is a legal process where the government can revoke citizenship that was illegally procured, such as through fraud or misrepresentation during the naturalization process.


Denaturalization:
  • Denaturalization is the process of revoking citizenship that was illegally obtained through naturalization.

  • It typically involves proving that the naturalized citizen misrepresented or concealed material facts during the naturalization process.

  • The government must demonstrate, usually in a federal court proceeding, that the citizen was not qualified for citizenship at the time it was granted.

  • Denaturalization is also possible for convictions related to naturalization fraud.

It’s legal and it’s merited when fraud occurs and it’s being used…abundantly.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Cool. I'd be okay with deporting David Duke, Rittenhouse, and the rest of the trash. But to where? Who would take them? El Salvador?
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Were they naturalized? Did they lie on the form and therefore commit a crime?

As for Rittenhouse, you think he's a "white supremacist" because he shot white guys?
 
IBDaMann said:
You see the merit in stripping citizenship from those whose 1st Amendment expression offends you?
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Nope, I see the merit from stripping citizenship from those who commit a crime and lie on the form to gain the advantages of citizenship. You didn't seem to have a problem with it (nor did the right wingers) when Obama did it for White Supremacists... Methinks you literally would protest for your right to die of cancer if Trump cured cancer.
 
IBDaMann said:
I'll go one step further. I believe that this issue will ultimately go before the Supreme Court who will decide that the Federal government had the responsibility to provide full due diligence, and that once the Federal government decided to grant citizenship, they don't get to go back, any more than a gambler who regrets a lost bet or a car buyer who forgets to inspect thoroughly and gets a lemon. I think it will be argued that if you allow the Federal government to rescind citizenship, it will become tomorrow's lawfare, with the government always able to find some typo or some trivial error to which they can point and say "He LIED on the forms." If the government hasn't thoroughly vetted someone, it shouldn't allow him to become a citizen until it does, because once citizenship is granted, you can't go back and get a do-over.
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I think that when you sign the affidavit at the end of the form it warns you that if you lie on the form it is a crime and you may lose the citizenship you lied to gain and may spend time in jail to boot, and that this will be enforced. I don't think it will reach the SCOTUS any more than it did during Obama's presidency.

We'll see who is right in the end.
 
Earl said:
It's in the link:

"Denaturalization is a tactic that was heavily used during the McCarthy era of the late 1940s and the early 1950s and one that was expanded during the Obama administration and grew further during President Trump's first term. It's meant to strip citizenship from those who may have lied about their criminal convictions or membership in illegal groups like the Nazi party, or communists during McCarthyism, on their citizenship applications."

I see the merit of stripping the citizenship of all who distribute child sexual abuse material.
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We need to investigate Ilhan Omar and collect DNA from her and her Ex husband to see if they are actually siblings.
 
It doesn’t even matter if the information you provided in the false testimony was harmless and couldn’t affect the government’s decision. USCIS can still find that you have bad moral character because of it.

Why would we want someone who lies to get citizenship…to get citizenship?
 
Damocles said:
Nope, I see the merit from stripping citizenship from those who commit a crime and lie on the form to gain the advantages of citizenship.
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An unscrupulous DA can always find charges to throw at someone. Special Prosecutors regularly throw people in jail for having "lied" when they say something was red when the prosecutor claims that it is crimson. Everybody claims that everybody else lies every day, even for misspeaks, for typos, for reposting someone else's post and even for simple honest mistakes.

Also, in the US, a mere accusation is insufficient to convict. It would appear, however, that you wish to make the mere accusation of lying, for anything trivial, of someone whose speech offends you, sufficient to strip someone of citizenship. Do I have that right?

Damocles said:
You didn't seem to have a problem with it (nor did the right wingers) when Obama did it for White Supremacists.
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I honestly have no idea of what you speak. I asked Copilot to what you might be referring and got this: "There’s no public record or credible reporting that President Barack Obama specifically targeted white supremacists for denaturalization or stripped their U.S. citizenship on that basis."

Damocles said:
Methinks you literally would protest for your right to die of cancer if Trump cured cancer.
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It seems you have rather poor judgement.
 
Damocles said:
I think that when you sign the affidavit at the end of the form it warns you that if you lie on the form it is a crime and you may lose the citizenship you lied to gain and may spend time in jail to boot, and that this will be enforced. I don't think it will reach the SCOTUS any more than it did during Obama's presidency.

We'll see who is right in the end.
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Please clarify where you draw the line. Let's start with whether someone can be accused of "lying on the forms" if a typo is discovered, hence opening the door to stripping citizenship.
 
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