Iran about to get blown off the map......

FastLane said:
Iran should send its air force to attack Israels Air Force. Oh that's right . They Can't

:magagrin:
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They could and do have a few air-to-air refueling tanker planes, but the problem is they could only send a small strike--say 6 to 12 aircraft--and those would be somewhere between obsolescent and obsolete. About the only plane in their inventory that could do a strike are the F-4 Phantoms which are Vietnam era planes.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The point you are missing Ms. Moon is that my argument is to punish Iran but not box them so far into a corner that they have nothing to lose in trying to level the playing field by creating a worldwide economic crisis.
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Any 'argument' that wants to punish Iran is worthless. Israel is the aggressor.
 
moon said:
That was before we all found out that pollution is killing us off.
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Interesting that you confess to being Iranian. Just another reason for the FBI and CIA to monitor your contacts, Ms. Moon. :)

moon said:
Any 'argument' that wants to punish Iran is worthless. Israel is the aggressor.
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That's what you Iranians claim about everyone who opposes your terrorism.
 
moon said:
No truer words spoken.

They think that Jesus of Nazareth- an anti-Pharisee Palestinian- would be concerned with Man's political borders upon his second coming.
They think he'd have cash, a car, an I-phone and a shares portfolio of US of AIPAC stocks.
And if he hadn't then they'd crucify him.
They are also idiotic.


Haw, haw, haw, haw, haw................................haw, haw...................................haw.
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straight to hell.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Interesting that you confess to being Iranian. Just another reason for the FBI and CIA to monitor your contacts, Ms. Moon. :)


That's what you Iranians claim about everyone who opposes your terrorism.
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T. A. Gardner said:
A nation that has a shit economy can't afford to fight wars because its spending all its time fighting its own people...
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but dutch is right.

if we're going down this road, these are factors to consider.

maybe morality isn't half measures, Zionist dumbass.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Air attacks won't achieve that. It appears Israel's goals in Iran are two fold:

1. Cripple the Iranian nuclear program
2. Cripple the Iranian economy.

On the later, the Israelis yesterday flattened most of the Iranian oil terminal and port leaving them no way to export oil.

www.aljazeera.com

Which Iranian oil and gas facilities has Israel hit? Why do they matter?

Israel hit the world’s largest natural gasfield and other key Iranian energy facilities on Saturday night.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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oh yeah.

this surely won;t breed generations of terrorists.

you might as well just kill all them too, neocon fuckface.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They've done it before.

The point you are missing Ms. Moon is that my argument is to punish Iran but not box them so far into a corner that they have nothing to lose in trying to level the playing field by creating a worldwide economic crisis.
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why would you encourage an economic crisis?

is it cuz you love donkey dicks?
 
Sammy Jankis said:
oh yeah.

this surely won;t breed generations of terrorists.

you might as well just kill all them too, neocon fuckface.
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The mere existence of they way societies work in the Middle East, particularly among Arab nations, but even in Dar al Islam, will ensure that to be the case regardless of who is running things in some nation. One of two solutions is necessary to stop that, and neither is very likely to happen anytime soon.

The first is for Arabic culture to advance beyond being tribal in nature. That means an end to dynastic families ruling across the Arab world. That's slowly happening but likely to take several more centuries to fully occur. In Europe and the West, then in the East, this occurred with the rise of the Middle Class and toppling of dynastic nobility. Today, in the West, the Left and radical Left want a return to that earlier system whether you want to accept it or not. As the Middle Class shrinks and social mobility weakens, so too does the ability to resist the rise of oligarchies and other types of privileged classes in a rigid class structure. Socialism is the enemy of freedom.

The second is a reformation of Islam into a religion not based on evangelical conversion. For example, Catholicism and much of Christianity was doing that up through the 19th Century. Today, both have stopped using religious wars and conquest with forced conversion of the population. Islam still practices that although it is weakening as Western and Eastern culture permeate into Dar al Islam. The full end of wars of religion by Islam is still at least another century away.
 
Sammy Jankis said:
is israel worthi if?

if so why?

show your work.
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Not particularly Israel. What is worth it is not allowing dynastic, socialist--and yes, most Arab countries are heavily socialist--oligarchies and monarchies to prevail. Iran is just a theocracy, a variant of that. Just as Mexico, Central, and S. America have been held back by centuries of state religion coupled to Leftist and radical Leftist, Socialist governments, the Middle East suffers under a yoke of oppression rather than freedom.

Even Israel is relatively socialist but it is tempered there by having a Western-style government with free elections, a sizable middle class with social mobility, and religious freedom. That has allowed it to integrate a sizable Arab and Muslim population that has better economic freedom than if it were in any adjacent nation.

Tribalism and religious differences are tearing Lebanon and the Palestinian territories apart. Those have crippled the monarchy in Jordan and felled the dictatorship in Syria turning that nation into a second Lebanon. Iraq is no different with three warring factions: Kurds, Sunni, and Shiite, one ethnic, the other two religious.

Many of the Gulf States have realized they have to move beyond being monarchies and oligarchies if they are to survive. They've adopted and are moving towards more and more religious freedom tossing off conservative and radical Islam in favor of being secular. At the same time, they are moving towards being constitutional monarchies as a first step towards ending tribalism.

It is nations like Iran run by radical religious fanatics that are the problem in the Middle East.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Not particularly Israel. What is worth it is not allowing dynastic, socialist--and yes, most Arab countries are heavily socialist--oligarchies and monarchies to prevail. Iran is just a theocracy, a variant of that. Just as Mexico, Central, and S. America have been held back by centuries of state religion coupled to Leftist and radical Leftist, Socialist governments, the Middle East suffers under a yoke of oppression rather than freedom.

Even Israel is relatively socialist but it is tempered there by having a Western-style government with free elections, a sizable middle class with social mobility, and religious freedom. That has allowed it to integrate a sizable Arab and Muslim population that has better economic freedom than if it were in any adjacent nation.

Tribalism and religious differences are tearing Lebanon and the Palestinian territories apart. Those have crippled the monarchy in Jordan and felled the dictatorship in Syria turning that nation into a second Lebanon. Iraq is no different with three warring factions: Kurds, Sunni, and Shiite, one ethnic, the other two religious.

Many of the Gulf States have realized they have to move beyond being monarchies and oligarchies if they are to survive. They've adopted and are moving towards more and more religious freedom tossing off conservative and radical Islam in favor of being secular. At the same time, they are moving towards being constitutional monarchies as a first step towards ending tribalism.

It is nations like Iran run by radical religious fanatics that are the problem in the Middle East.
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seems like we're dealing with Saudis without bombs.

stfu with your tribalism distractive bullshit.

you;re just a retarded neocon with no sense.
 
Sammy Jankis said:
seems like we're dealing with Saudis without bombs.

stfu with your tribalism distractive bullshit.

you;re just a retarded neocon with no sense.
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Tribalism is prevalent in the Middle East.

blogs.lse.ac.uk

Tribalism in Middle Eastern States: A Twenty-first Century Anachronism? - Middle East Centre

by Richard Tapper This memo was presented part of a workshop organised by the LSE Middle East Centre on 13 June 2018, looking at Tribe and State in the Middle East. Anyone who follows Middle Eastern politics today is aware that tribes and tribalism still play an important role in many countries...
blogs.lse.ac.uk blogs.lse.ac.uk

The Middle East's Tribal DNA

www.meforum.org www.meforum.org

Tribes and Tribalism in the Modern Middle East: Introduction | International Journal of Middle East Studies | Cambridge Core

Tribes and Tribalism in the Modern Middle East: Introduction - Volume 53 Issue 3
www.cambridge.org www.cambridge.org

www.meforum.org

Islam Can Be Defined and Understood by One Non-Religious Word: Tribalism

The Entire Appeal of Muhammad’s Call to the Arabs of His Time Lay in Its Perfect Compatibility with Their Tribal Mores
www.meforum.org www.meforum.org

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T. A. Gardner said:
Air attacks won't achieve that. It appears Israel's goals in Iran are two fold:

1. Cripple the Iranian nuclear program
2. Cripple the Iranian economy.

On the later, the Israelis yesterday flattened most of the Iranian oil terminal and port leaving them no way to export oil.

www.aljazeera.com

Which Iranian oil and gas facilities has Israel hit? Why do they matter?

Israel hit the world’s largest natural gasfield and other key Iranian energy facilities on Saturday night.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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It is impossible to cripple the nuclear program without nuclear bombs.

Crippling the economy is in the service of regime change, but it wont work, and it provokes Irans friends to further support the Iranian people so in many ways it is counter productive.
 
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No idea if this particular thing is a psyop or not, but, generally speaking, Iran's ethnic diversity is a huge weak point and Tehran's enemies are very good at weaponizing 'multiculturalism'. Kurds are heavily pro-Israel and have been for decades. Persian Azeris are fertile ground for Turkish proxies, and Turkey is allied with Israel on the Iran question. There are militant organizations among the Arabs of Khuzestan who act as Saudi proxies and also receive Israeli support. And, of course, the Baloch insurgency, supported by Israel, Britain, the Saudis, the CIA through the Pakistani Deep State, etc It's tough out there.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934276355253788819
 
I am currently listening to Alex Krainer on Glenn Diesen talking about how the Imperial Empires behavior here is so insane and against interest that he cant figure out what is going on.
 
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