Now We Need To Revisit Lt. Michael Byrd

[IBDaMann]

You would agree then that the insurrectionists in Los Angeles should be mowed down by Machine Gun fire. They are invading our country and acting violently toward law enforcement.

Or just pick one woman at random and blow their brains out as a warning to the rest - exactly what Byrd did. It's going down now - so you must support the summary execution in this case - or admit that you just support killing Babbitt because she was an enemy of the party.

Spot on. Summary extrajudicial executions are perfectly legitimate ... only when conservatives are murdered.

 

[ZenMode]

In this hypothetical scenario, am I authorized to summarily execute people if I feel like it, or do I need to obey the law?

No. You're permitted to defend yourself and others from a threat on your life or the lives of others.

Ashli Babbit was not angry.

Sure, Jan.

Let's make the hypothetical scenario applicable. Let's say that there is a patriotic female, former military who loves her country, who wants to move from point A to point B, and she isn't any danger to anyone, except that I am annoyed that despite my orders that she NOT move from point A to point B, she seems intent on doing so anyway.

Agree, let's make the hypothetical scenario applicable. We'll start by not pretending that the capitol police officer is omniscient or has the ability to read minds.

Now, let's say you're sitting in your living room and (to be absolutely accurate) there's a mob of people at your front door, a strange man smashes in your front window and a unknown woman starts crawling through it.

Irrelevant.

It is among THE most relevant details.

This occurs billions of times every hour every day every week and has always been totally legal for as long as humanity has existed on the planet.

Mobs of people do not gather at buildings/houses, with some members of the mob trying to smash in door, but deciding, instead, to smash in the window to illegally gain access to the building.

In this scenario, I also don't know what brand of makeup she is wearing,

You can't carry weapons and explosives in makeup.

I don't know how much money she is carrying,

Money doesn't explode and can't be used to kill people.

and I don't know if her breasts are as big as they appear or if she is wearing a push-up bra.

I've never heard of exploding breasts, either. Maybe you should watch less TV.

I presume that, in this scenario, that the woman in question has full 4th Amendment protections, yes?

Which 4th amendment protections are you talking about?

... for whom I have no reason to suspect is armed, and over the time I have been eyeing her like a hawk, I haven't seen any hint of any weapons, right?

Lots of police "haven't seen any hint of any weapon" until it's too late.

I should "tresspass" her and escort her out of the building.

Yes, that is what I would be required to do. Nothing in what you described afforded me license to shoot her.

Are you not aware that people with backpacks approach police all the time, and that police approach people with backpacks all the time? Are you not aware that backpacks are legal?

Are you not aware that people wearing denim jeans approach police all the time, and that police approach people wearing denim jeans all the time? Are you not aware that denim jeans are legal?

She, and the mob she's with, at least to rational people, are ALL threats on the lives of those inside the Capitol. If the next person in the mob tried to crawl through the window after Ashli was shot, I would support shooting that person and the next and the next and the next, etc....

It is utter nonsense to say that the Capitol police officer is supposed to start engaging in hand-to-hand combat with each member of the mob. What do you think this is, The Matrix and the officer is Neo???

 

[ZenMode]

You would agree then that the insurrectionists in Los Angeles should be mowed down by Machine Gun fire. They are invading our country and acting violently toward law enforcement.

You're avoiding my question.

Or just pick one woman at random and blow their brains out as a warning to the rest - exactly what Byrd did.

Nope. He picked the ONE person who had breached the door.

It's going down now - so you must support the summary execution in this case - or admit that you just support killing Babbitt because she was an enemy of the party.

If it was believed that any of the protesters were a threat on the lives of someone, I'd support killing that person, yes.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You're avoiding my question.

Nope. He picked the ONE person who had breached the door.

So the NG should pike ONE person who has breached our border and execute them.

If it was believed that any of the protesters were a threat on the lives of someone, I'd support killing that person, yes.

The insurrectionists in Los Angeles are a FAR greater danger than the protesters at the J6 Reichstag Fire. The Insurrection is backed by the Sinaloa Cartel and the democrat party - two of the most violent and dangerous criminal organizations on earth.

 

[ZenMode]

So the NG should pike ONE person who has breached our border and execute them.

If there were a mob of people, who had publicly stated that they intended to seek vengeance on you and others inside your house, were smashing in your front door, then smashed in your window and were coming in to get you, yes, you should shoot and kill the first person through the window and the second and the third and keep going until you are out of bullets or the threat is neutralized.

The insurrectionists in Los Angeles are a FAR greater danger than the protesters at the J6 Reichstag Fire. The Insurrection is backed by the Sinaloa Cartel and the democrat party - two of the most violent and dangerous criminal organizations on earth.

If the rioters were trying to smash their way into the building where innocent civilians and government employees were located, I'd expect the national guard to do what was necessary to protect those inside.

The shooting by capitol police should have started much sooner, imo.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If there were a mob of people, who had publicly stated that they intended to seek vengeance on you and others inside your house, were smashing in your front door, then smashed in your window and were coming in to get you, yes, you should shoot and kill the first person through the window and the second and the third and keep going until you are out of bullets or the threat is neutralized.

Your fantasy is not relevant.

You agree that the NG should select an unarmed woman from the Insurrection and execute her - just as was done to Ashli - correct?

Little 105 pound Ashli wasn't a threat to anyone - but killing her sent a message to others - a loud message.

If the rioters were trying to smash their way into the building where innocent civilians and government employees were located, I'd expect the national guard to do what was necessary to protect those inside.

They were already inside the building, There was no special significance to the hallway where Byrd murdered Babbitt - it was merely a choke point.

Tiny little Ashli was the one crawling through the window because she was the only one who would fit. BLM Bruiser Byrd sure wasn't in any danger. But he wanted to send a message.

The shooting by capitol police should have started much sooner, imo.

Maybe Napalm should be used on the Insurrectionists in Los Angeles?

 

[ZenMode]

Your fantasy is not relevant.

You agree that the NG should select an unarmed woman from the Insurrection and execute her - just as was done to Ashli - correct?

Little 105 pound Ashli wasn't a threat to anyone - but killing her sent a message to others - a loud message.

I agree that capitol police should shoot anyone who comes through that door. They have no way of knowing if she's armed. They have no way of knowing what was in that backpack.

They were already inside the building, There was no special significance to the hallway where Byrd murdered Babbitt - it was merely a choke point.

Yep. Capitol Police should have been shooting much sooner. It's never too late to do the right thing.

Tiny little Ashli was the one crawling through the window because she was the only one who would fit. BLM Bruiser Byrd sure wasn't in any danger. But he wanted to send a message.

His job is to protect the people behind the door from the lunatics on the outside.

Maybe Napalm should be used on the Insurrectionists in Los Angeles?

Like I said, if the rioters in LA decided to go after an ICE building, or any other occupied government building, I'd fully support lethal force to protect those inside. Why wouldn't you support it?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I agree that capitol police should shoot anyone who comes through that door. They have no way of knowing if she's armed. They have no way of knowing what was in that backpack.

Yep. Capitol Police should have been shooting much sooner. It's never too late to do the right thing.

His job is to protect the people behind the door from the lunatics on the outside.

Like I said, if the rioters in LA decided to go after an ICE building, or any other occupied government building, I'd fully support lethal force to protect those inside. Why wouldn't you support it?

So you suggest live fire against the insurrectionists in Los Angeles - America's own Hamas - right?

 

[ZenMode]

So you suggest live fire against the insurrectionists in Los Angeles - America's own Hamas - right?

As I already said, if the rioters were attempting to break into a government building, where civilians employees were located, I would support defending the employees inside that building especially if the rioters had already made it clearly, publicly, who they intended to attack/kill.

 

[Uncensored2008]

As I already said, if the rioters were attempting to break into a government building,

Which they were/are

where civilians employees were located, I would support defending the employees inside that building especially if the rioters had already made it clearly, publicly, who they intended to attack/kill.

So you support the deployment of the NG.

Good, but Hamas, which is an apt name for the insurrectionists, is also attacking police and private citizens. You think it was appropriate to summarily execute an unarmed protester during the J6 Reichstag Fire, so wouldn't it be appropriate to single out a woman from the rioters in Los Angeles and execute her?

 

[ZenMode]

Which they were/are



So you support the deployment of the NG.

Yes and the police chief in LA has said his officers are overwhelmed.

Good, but Hamas, which is an apt name for the insurrectionists, is also attacking police and private citizens. You think it was appropriate to summarily execute an unarmed protester during the J6 Reichstag Fire, so wouldn't it be appropriate to single out a woman from the rioters in Los Angeles and execute her?

Every situation is different but, yes, police are permitted to use lethal force when it's not known if a suspect has a weapon. If a cop tells you to put your hands up and you reach toward your waistband, there's a good chance you'll be dead.