The 47th Follies: just keeping score

No he hasn't.
Yes, he has. Pay attention.

He's talked about bringing people to the table in Ukraine
Didn't you catch Zelenskyy at the White House? Zelenskyy is the one who doesn't want peace. Trump is trying.

He has never produced peace.
Peace is all he produced in his first term, and there haven't been any new wars started since Trump took office for his second term. The countries of the Middle East are lining up to work with the US to pursue US' interests. I don't know how you are missing all this.

He has, however promised military actions "the likes of which have never been seen" against folks like North Korea and he's also hinted at military action against our ally, Canada and even military action against Greenland and Denmark.
In other words, no war, just peace.

This man is as dedicated to peace as he is to the Bible.


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LOL. And your apparent love of a vicious dictator and murderous thug like Putin blinds you to common human decency.
LOL. So the best you can do is completely ignore the history that I provided regarding how the war even started in the first place and resort to a LAME attempt to label me as a "Putin lover" because I'm not full of HATRED like YOU are? :rofl2:
 
LOL. So the best you can do is completely ignore the history that I provided regarding how the war even started in the first place and resort to a LAME attempt to label me as a "Putin lover" because I'm not full of HATRED like YOU are? :rofl2:

Oh you call that "history"? OK.
 
Yes, he has. Pay attention.


Didn't you catch Zelenskyy at the White House? Zelenskyy is the one who doesn't want peace. Trump is trying.


Peace is all he produced in his first term, and there haven't been any new wars started since Trump took office for his second term. The countries of the Middle East are lining up to work with the US to pursue US' interests. I don't know how you are missing all this.


In other words, no war, just peace.




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What do YOU get from siding with Putin? Does it make you feel more "manly"? Is it becuase your dear leader Trump likes him?

Why are you so quick to dismiss all of the murders and war crimes he's responsible for?
 
What do YOU get from siding with Putin?
You are VERY emotionally invested in this topic to the point that you're completely incapable of any rational thought. How do I know this?

IBDaMann DARED to criticize Zelenskyy. Oh the HORROR!!!!!! Your programming tells you "Zelenskyy = good", thus IBDaMann ONLY could've criticized Zelenskyy because he is a great big PUTIN LOVERRRRRR, even though he never once brought up Putin's name in his comment, RIIIIIIIGHT?!?! To you, it is "Zelenskyy = good" vs " Putin = bad", and one MUUUUUUST say ONLY good things about Zelenskyy or else one is a PUTIN LOVERRRRRRR.
Does it make you feel more "manly"?
Yes, Putin makes me feel MUCH more manly than Zelenskyy does.
Is it becuase your dear leader Trump likes him?
Trump is my leader, Trump is my master. I obey everything that Trump says because Trump is God. I do the Trumpy dance every morning when I wake up and every night before I go to bed. :rolleyes2:
Why are you so quick to dismiss all of the murders and war crimes he's responsible for?
Why are you so quick to dismiss Zelenskyy's dictatorship (refuses to hold any elections) and his banning of all opposition parties and media?
 
What do YOU get from siding with Putin?
Great pivot to assigning me a bogus position that I do not have. I'll pass my turn so you can attack the bogus position you assigned to me.

Does it make you feel more "manly"?
I have no idea since I don't actually hold that bogus position you assigned to me.

Is it becuase your dear leader Trump likes him?
What is "it" by the way?

Why are you so quick to dismiss all of the murders and war crimes he's responsible for?
Why are you so quick to end a sentence in a preposition?
 
IOW, you can't refute any of it? Gotcha!
The only thing you've "got" is an arrested development of your cognitive reasoning skills. Let me dumb it down for you: In your exchange here, you mesh your absurd and proudly ignorant MAGA version with bits and parts of current events. Then you throw in a hefty dose of your "opinion, supposition and conjture .... all of which you believe (or proport to believe) as "fact".

TO DATE, YOU HAVE NOT HONESTLY AND DIRECTLY (IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS) ANSWERED THE CHALLENGE OF THE OP!

I've dealt with your nonsense before, so rather than waste time until you can do nothing but blather nonsense in response to deconstructing your screeds, I'll just sit back and watch someone else do it. I don't expect you to concede a point....no one who has ever dealt with you does .... I just like watching others make a maga fool of you. Carry on.
 
The only thing you've "got" is an arrested development of your cognitive reasoning skills. Let me dumb it down for you: In your exchange here, you mesh your absurd and proudly ignorant MAGA version with bits and parts of current events. Then you throw in a hefty dose of your "opinion, supposition and conjture .... all of which you believe (or proport to believe) as "fact".
Continued inability on your part to refute any of the Ukraine/Russia war history that I laid out in my post. It's all verifiable and I DO have receipts "at the ready".
TO DATE, YOU HAVE NOT HONESTLY AND DIRECTLY (IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS) ANSWERED THE CHALLENGE OF THE OP!
I already responded to your OP, and others have done so as well. It's already over and done with.
 
Nope... it's all documented and verifiable and has nothing to do with what I "wish it to be". It's simply "what is".
Then you should have NO trouble in providing the links to the sources of each and every one of your assertions.

IF you are honest, it should be no problem .... I and others do it frequently.

But you and I (and everyone else) knows it will be miracle if you do such. We'll wait.
 
Continued inability on your part to refute any of the Ukraine/Russia war history that I laid out in my post. It's all verifiable and I DO have receipts "at the ready".

I already responded to your OP, and others have done so as well. It's already over and done with.
First, you're a liar; to date neither you or your equally brain-dead brethren have provided valid, documentation that the OP requested. Your "opinion" isn't worth a piss in the wind. Instead, you'll attempt detours, and goalpost moves to avoid just conceding a point regarding the dishonest hubris of your Cheeto Jeezus

As for the Russian/Ukraine war .... for your education:

From the UK perspective:

www.commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9476/

From Reuters
www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-the-events-leading-up-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-idUSKBN2KX2AM/

When YOU can provide valid documentation to your drivel, THEN we can debate in the world of FACTS & opinion and not just supposition and conjecture references to general facts, as you did in post #38.
 
First, you're a liar;
Nope. You are the liar. Let's keep the record straight.

to date neither you or your equally brain-dead brethren have provided valid, documentation that the OP requested.
The OP asks for documentation of Trump admitting that he was wrong, because the OP cannot find any example whatsoever of Trump being mistaken. Trump makes it a point of getting everything correct, that's why he was elected three consecutive times.

Here is the best you'll get, considering that Trump is never mistaken:


Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff.

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Then you should have NO trouble in providing the links to the sources of each and every one of your assertions.

IF you are honest, it should be no problem .... I and others do it frequently.

But you and I (and everyone else) knows it will be miracle if you do such. We'll wait.
What part of the history that I provided are you disputing? List one to start off with.
 
First, you're a liar; to date neither you or your equally brain-dead brethren have provided valid, documentation that the OP requested. Your "opinion" isn't worth a piss in the wind. Instead, you'll attempt detours, and goalpost moves to avoid just conceding a point regarding the dishonest hubris of your Cheeto Jeezus

As for the Russian/Ukraine war .... for your education:

From the UK perspective:

www.commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9476/

From Reuters
www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-the-events-leading-up-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-idUSKBN2KX2AM/

When YOU can provide valid documentation to your drivel, THEN we can debate in the world of FACTS & opinion and not just supposition and conjecture references to general facts, as you did in post #38.
Hi Taichiliberal,

Thank you for the links. The first link says "this site can't be reached", so I can't access it to assess it. The second link is okay, but it leaves things out.

This link is the inspiration regarding the information contained within the "December 2021" section of my post. This link (paywall) is also relevant to that section as well as the "Early 2022" section of my post. I'll quote the relevant section from the second link since it is paywalled (bolded emphasis in first paragraph is mine):

["Over three months, senior Biden administration officials held half a dozen urgent meetings with top Chinese officials in which the Americans presented intelligence showing Russia’s troop buildup around Ukraine and beseeched the Chinese to tell Russia not to invade, according to U.S. officials.

Each time, the Chinese officials, including the foreign minister and the ambassador to the United States, rebuffed the Americans, saying they did not think an invasion was in the works. After one diplomatic exchange in December, U.S. officials got intelligence showing Beijing had shared the information with Moscow, telling the Russians that the United States was trying to sow discord — and that China would not try to impede Russian plans and actions, the officials said.

The previously unreported talks between American and Chinese officials show how the Biden administration tried to use intelligence findings and diplomacy to persuade a superpower it views as a growing adversary to stop the invasion of Ukraine, and how that nation, led by President Xi Jinping, persistently sided with Russia even as the evidence of Moscow’s plans for a military offensive grew over the winter.

This account is based on interviews with senior administration officials with knowledge of the conversations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the diplomacy. The Chinese Embassy spokesman, Liu Pengyu, answered an earlier request for comment a half-day after this article was posted online, saying, “For some time, China has actively promoted the political settlement process of the Ukraine issue.”]



So, this NYT story is the "lead in" to the Reuters story in assessing what was really happening at that time. Apparently our Shadow Government was sharing intelligence info with China during the months leading up to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Why would the Shadow Government think that China wouldn't share the intel with Russia? WRONG QUESTION. It's not incompetence, it's intent. The Shadow Government purposely shared that intel with China KNOWING FULL WELL that it would get back to Russia. Ergo, my "provoking the bear" commentary.

So, the question becomes "what intel was being pushed Russia's way"? That gets into the Reuters story that I linked. Biden and Zelenskyy (via CIA puppeteers pulling the strings over both) were said to have talked (but what about?). According to the Reuters article, it seems like they were talking about a possible Ukraine entry into NATO, which was a clear red line being crossed from Russia's perspective.

IOW, our Shadow Government KNEW FULL WELL that such a move would trigger a military response from Russia. It seems like they WANTED Russia to invade Ukraine, so they purposefully "poked the bear" until Russia finally did it. But WHY? Why would they want this to happen?

Now enters the fact that one needs to remember the bad economic situation that the Shadow Government had been causing (since early 2021) in the name of "Climate Change" and "Green Energy". At this point, they were facing heat about soaring gas prices (and etc) so they needed something to take attention away from it (and needed a scapegoat for it). Ergo, they "poked the bear", provoked Russia into invading Ukraine, and now all of a sudden "soaring gas prices" are "Putin's fault" instead of their own fault.
 
Hi Taichiliberal,

Thank you for the links. The first link says "this site can't be reached", so I can't access it to assess it. The second link is okay, but it leaves things out.

This link is the inspiration regarding the information contained within the "December 2021" section of my post. This link (paywall) is also relevant to that section as well as the "Early 2022" section of my post. I'll quote the relevant section from the second link since it is paywalled (bolded emphasis in first paragraph is mine):

["Over three months, senior Biden administration officials held half a dozen urgent meetings with top Chinese officials in which the Americans presented intelligence showing Russia’s troop buildup around Ukraine and beseeched the Chinese to tell Russia not to invade, according to U.S. officials.

Each time, the Chinese officials, including the foreign minister and the ambassador to the United States, rebuffed the Americans, saying they did not think an invasion was in the works. After one diplomatic exchange in December, U.S. officials got intelligence showing Beijing had shared the information with Moscow, telling the Russians that the United States was trying to sow discord — and that China would not try to impede Russian plans and actions, the officials said.

The previously unreported talks between American and Chinese officials show how the Biden administration tried to use intelligence findings and diplomacy to persuade a superpower it views as a growing adversary to stop the invasion of Ukraine, and how that nation, led by President Xi Jinping, persistently sided with Russia even as the evidence of Moscow’s plans for a military offensive grew over the winter.

This account is based on interviews with senior administration officials with knowledge of the conversations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the diplomacy. The Chinese Embassy spokesman, Liu Pengyu, answered an earlier request for comment a half-day after this article was posted online, saying, “For some time, China has actively promoted the political settlement process of the Ukraine issue.”]



So, this NYT story is the "lead in" to the Reuters story in assessing what was really happening at that time. Apparently our Shadow Government was sharing intelligence info with China during the months leading up to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Why would the Shadow Government think that China wouldn't share the intel with Russia? WRONG QUESTION. It's not incompetence, it's intent. The Shadow Government purposely shared that intel with China KNOWING FULL WELL that it would get back to Russia. Ergo, my "provoking the bear" commentary.

So, the question becomes "what intel was being pushed Russia's way"? That gets into the Reuters story that I linked. Biden and Zelenskyy (via CIA puppeteers pulling the strings over both) were said to have talked (but what about?). According to the Reuters article, it seems like they were talking about a possible Ukraine entry into NATO, which was a clear red line being crossed from Russia's perspective.

IOW, our Shadow Government KNEW FULL WELL that such a move would trigger a military response from Russia. It seems like they WANTED Russia to invade Ukraine, so they purposefully "poked the bear" until Russia finally did it. But WHY? Why would they want this to happen?

Now enters the fact that one needs to remember the bad economic situation that the Shadow Government had been causing (since early 2021) in the name of "Climate Change" and "Green Energy". At this point, they were facing heat about soaring gas prices (and etc) so they needed something to take attention away from it (and needed a scapegoat for it). Ergo, they "poked the bear", provoked Russia into invading Ukraine, and now all of a sudden "soaring gas prices" are "Putin's fault" instead of their own fault.
1. Post #5 is NOT answering the OP question. Its just smoke blowing for cheeto jeezus.
2. Your article is supposition based on anonymous sources combined with your "shadow gov't" which is OFF TOPIC.
 
1. Post #5 is NOT answering the OP question. Its just smoke blowing for cheeto jeezus.
It answered your question.
2. Your article is supposition based on anonymous sources combined with your "shadow gov't" which is OFF TOPIC.
That's funny because my article is the exact same source as YOUR article. You used Reuters; I used Reuters. You use Reuters, it's fine. I use Reuters, it's suddenly a problem.

Ergo, that's why I typically do NOT use or look at any (holy) links of any sort. It always ends up being a waste of time. It's always ends up being: 1) GIMME A SOURCE!!!! 2) I DON'T LIKE YOUR SOURCE!!!!
 
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