Can we stop pretending the the right is a bastion of "Christianity?"

serendipity said:
This is from the country where the Ton Ton Macoute and Papa Doc Duvalier reigned for so long ffs. Yet according to simplistic fools like you Haitians are just all good people despite their extremely violent past of Voodoo, Black lMagic, extreme human rights abuses and gang warfare. Port au Prince resembles Mad Max films in the depths of depravity there.

Haiti has descended into chaos and its Prime Minister has resigned. A gang leader, Jimmy Cherizier, who projects himself as a revolutionary, has become the most powerful person in Haiti. Cherizier is known as 'Barbecue' for burning people alive. Of course I doubt that you know any of that, you just seem too unworldly to get your head around it.
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BartenderElite said:
That's actually a very bigoted post.

So, there are bad Haitians, then? And that means all Haitians are bad?
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Tom hates brown and black people which explains why he hates Thais and their pedophile King.
 
gfm7175 said:
"not Christian" is not a valid definition.

Define "white Christian nationalist".
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Sure, son. Here ya go:
  • Christian nationalism is not about religion; it is about political control.
    Christianity is a religion focused on the person and work of Jesus Christ as defined by the Christian Bible. Christian nationalism, on the other hand, is a political ideology that elevates certain politically conservative white Christians over everyone else. These so-called “Christians” consider themselves the only true Americans who were chosen by God to govern the U.S. as a nation with a state religion that controls every aspect of our society, including family, education, government, business, and the media.
  • Christian nationalism is exclusionary
    By defining the U.S. as a Christian nation, proponents want the government to promote an official culture for the country. This would give one group of citizens – one type of white Christians – dominance over all others. As such, Christian nationalism would create a theocracy where white supremacy, racial and gender subjugation, and religious intolerance are tolerated and women, children, religious minorities, LGBTQ and racial and ethnic minorities are disenfranchised.
  • Christian nationalism is linked with white supremacy
    Christian nationalism is an ideology overwhelming held by white American men, many of whom fear “being replaced” by people of color and believe white Christians are victims of persecution. Some are beginning to argue that American Christians need to prepare to fight, physically, to preserve America’s identity.
  • Christian nationalism is against democracy
    According to national surveys, those who identify as Christian nationalists are more likely to believe that it is “too easy to vote” in the U.S. and that voter fraud is rampant. Accordingly, Christian nationalism supports laws that undermine voting rights for racial minorities, exclude diverse perspectives in public schools, restrict immigration, and circumvent protections for refugees, women, LBGTQ people and religious minorities.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sure, son. Here ya go:
  • Christian nationalism is not about religion; it is about political control.
    Christianity is a religion focused on the person and work of Jesus Christ as defined by the Christian Bible. Christian nationalism, on the other hand, is a political ideology that elevates certain politically conservative white Christians over everyone else. These so-called “Christians” consider themselves the only true Americans who were chosen by God to govern the U.S. as a nation with a state religion that controls every aspect of our society, including family, education, government, business, and the media.
  • Christian nationalism is exclusionary
    By defining the U.S. as a Christian nation, proponents want the government to promote an official culture for the country. This would give one group of citizens – one type of white Christians – dominance over all others. As such, Christian nationalism would create a theocracy where white supremacy, racial and gender subjugation, and religious intolerance are tolerated and women, children, religious minorities, LGBTQ and racial and ethnic minorities are disenfranchised.
  • Christian nationalism is linked with white supremacy
    Christian nationalism is an ideology overwhelming held by white American men, many of whom fear “being replaced” by people of color and believe white Christians are victims of persecution. Some are beginning to argue that American Christians need to prepare to fight, physically, to preserve America’s identity.
  • Christian nationalism is against democracy
    According to national surveys, those who identify as Christian nationalists are more likely to believe that it is “too easy to vote” in the U.S. and that voter fraud is rampant. Accordingly, Christian nationalism supports laws that undermine voting rights for racial minorities, exclude diverse perspectives in public schools, restrict immigration, and circumvent protections for refugees, women, LBGTQ people and religious minorities.
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Holy link summarily dismissed. Learn to think for yourself, Dutch.

Define "white Christian nationalist". Use your own words, Dutch.
 
gfm7175 said:
Holy link summarily dismissed. Learn to think for yourself, Dutch.

Define "white Christian nationalist". Use your own words, Dutch.
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Everyone who uses socks are weak, stupid and lame. Sad.

How's your mother doing, Sybil?
 
gfm7175 said:
Holy link summarily dismissed. Learn to think for yourself, Dutch.

Define "white Christian nationalist". Use your own words, Dutch.
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And if he uses his 'own words' is that not just his opinion that you can then just dismiss with 'your opinion'.

The link answered your question better than any singular persons view can but you simply did not like that the answer directly showed you why Christian Nationalism is almost directly opposed to the teachings of Christ and Christianity as a religion.
 
QP! said:
And if he uses his 'own words' is that not just his opinion that you can then just dismiss with 'your opinion'.

The link answered your question better than any singular persons view can but you simply did not like that the answer directly showed you why Christian Nationalism is almost directly opposed to the teachings of Christ and Christianity as a religion.
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Sybil is big on opinion and very little on fact. You noticed how quickly he dismissed the link.
 
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serendipity said:
There is no functioning government there and the streets are controlled by machete gangs, you're just too stupid to bother with.
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And what do you conclude from that? I just feel a lot of sympathy for the Haitian people. Those are terrible conditions. It's why many of them try to come to the states.

It is hardly a reflection on the Haitian people themselves - which you seem to be implying.
 
BartenderElite said:
And what do you conclude from that? I just feel a lot of sympathy for the Haitian people. Those are terrible conditions. It's why many of them try to come to the states.

It is hardly a reflection on the Haitian people themselves - which you seem to be implying.
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Of all the colonialism abuses during the slave trade era, Haiti is arguably the worst abuse story of them all.

Absolutely brutal Spanish and then French rule that saw the island as very valuable in the age of the sugar trade where men and women were sold off as slaves or forced to work the sugar cane fields for their captors.

As Haiti, in a violent uprising was finally able to force the French colonists out, and take back their lands, the French King knowing engaging in a gorilla type war to take back the country was unpalatable, instead promised to decimate the island with their navy, destroying everything.

That is unless Haiti promised to pay France and all the land owners kicked out of Haiti (or their families) reparations for the 'lost business and sales of future sugar business'.

It was extortion, pure and simple as the pay out amount exceeded Haiti GDP meaning all the countries wealth had to be paid out and for them to run deficits to maintain independence and not be decimated.

This continued until the late 1940's when Haiti finally made it is last payment to France.

And so while you see Trump and Magat's call Haiti a shit hole country, run by tyrants, what you never see them do is accept the role 'The West' and slave trade and then forced reparations to the slave owners and land thieves, played in that.

It is one of the grossest violations of a country and its people in history which Magats would never acknowledge.
 
QP! said:
And if he uses his 'own words' is that not just his opinion that you can then just dismiss with 'your opinion'.
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If he uses his own words, then I'll actually hold a conversation with him. I'm not interested in any mindless holy links or mindless regurgitations of what "the experts" said.
QP! said:
The link answered your question better than any singular persons view can
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Who authored the article?
QP! said:
but you simply did not like that the answer directly showed you why Christian Nationalism is almost directly opposed to the teachings of Christ and Christianity as a religion.
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How would I "like" or "dislike" it if I summarily dismissed it?

Why can't Dutch use his own words to form an argument?
 
gfm7175 said:
If he uses his own words, then I'll actually hold a conversation with him. I'm not interested in any mindless holy links or mindless regurgitations of what "the experts" said.

Who authored the article?

How would I "like" or "dislike" it if I summarily dismissed it?

Why can't Dutch use his own words to form an argument?
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False.

You are only interested in worthless 'he said, she said' opinion debates as those can never be proven or won.

There are basic FACTS that expose how Christian Nationalism is opposed to the teachings of Christ and Christianity and you do not want those facts posted as you have no rebuttal to them.

Instead what you want is for the person to say 'I think X' so you can say "well i think Y' and the debate basically ends there as we are all entitled to be wrong in our opinions in a way we are not when it comes to facts.

If someone asks 'where does the Muslim religion and the Christian one have similarities and divulge', the ONLY logical way to give that data is to QUOTE the actual agreeance and divergence and not just have peoples opinions on that without citing/quoting the actual FACTS.
 
gfm7175 said:
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Who authored the article?
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Does not matter.

You are seeking to engage by using an Appeal To Authority fallacy, whether you agree or disagree with the content.

In the same way you have to engage in any opinion that comes from him (using his own words) and if you agree or disagree you MUST explain why... you also would engage with the points posted by saying if you agree or disagree and you explain why.


If you are stating you are incapable of rebutting or agreeing with those points then no one should expect you can engage with 'their words and opinion' if given to you.

You just prove you are not up to the task.
 
QP! said:
False.

You are only interested in worthless 'he said, she said' opinion debates as those can never be proven or won.
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QP! said:
There are basic FACTS that expose how Christian Nationalism is opposed to the teachings of Christ and Christianity and you do not want those facts posted as you have no rebuttal to them.
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Do YOU wish to have a conversation with me about it?? First, let's start off by you defining what "white Christian nationalism" is.
QP! said:
Instead what you want is for the person to say 'I think X' so you can say "well i think Y' and the debate basically ends there as we are all entitled to be wrong in our opinions in a way we are not when it comes to facts.
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You really don't understand what a discussion forum is, do you? That's PRECISELY what a discussion forum is: "I think X" --> "I think Y" --> "You're wrong. X is right because _____" etc etc
 
gfm7175 said:
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Do YOU wish to have a conversation with me about it?? First, let's start off by you defining what "white Christian nationalism" is.

You really don't understand what a discussion forum is, do you? That's PRECISELY what a discussion forum is: "I think X" --> "I think Y" --> "You're wrong. X is right because _____" etc etc
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False.

There has never been a discussion forum (NOT ONE) that does not use as a bedrock of discussion facts brought forth that can be examined and tested and proven or disproven.

Your argument now that 'only our opinions matter' is just a lie you tell yourself when you know the facts go against you.

Discussion forums have ALWAYS been a combination of mostly 'facts first', where they exist, with opinion layered in but less weighted in value on topics where facts are available.

It would simply be stupid to engage in a discussion of 'where does Christianity and Islam diverge and converge' without quoting facts and simply having gfm say 'my opinion is they never converge' and the other person saying 'my opinion is they do', and neither side QUOTING facts to make their argument.
 
QP! said:
False.

There has never been a discussion forum (NOT ONE) that does not use as a bedrock of discussion facts brought forth that can be examined and tested and proven or disproven.

Your argument now that 'only our opinions matter' is just a lie you tell yourself when you know the facts go against you.

Discussion forums have ALWAYS been a combination of mostly 'facts first', where they exist, with opinion layered in but less weighted in value on topics where facts are available.

It would simply be stupid to engage in a discussion of 'where does Christianity and Islam diverge and converge' without quoting facts and simply having gfm say 'my opinion is they never converge' and the other person saying 'my opinion is they do', and neither side QUOTING facts to make their argument.
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:blah: :blah: :blah:

Still awaiting your definition of "white Christian nationalist".
 
BartenderElite said:
And what do you conclude from that? I just feel a lot of sympathy for the Haitian people. Those are terrible conditions. It's why many of them try to come to the states.

It is hardly a reflection on the Haitian people themselves - which you seem to be implying.
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Do you find it odd that someone who is clearly a white supremacist lives in a country that is predominantly Asian? It's one reason why I think he committed a crime in the UK and is hiding out in Thailand.
 
QP! said:
False.

There has never been a discussion forum (NOT ONE) that does not use as a bedrock of discussion facts brought forth that can be examined and tested and proven or disproven.

Your argument now that 'only our opinions matter' is just a lie you tell yourself when you know the facts go against you.

Discussion forums have ALWAYS been a combination of mostly 'facts first', where they exist, with opinion layered in but less weighted in value on topics where facts are available.

It would simply be stupid to engage in a discussion of 'where does Christianity and Islam diverge and converge' without quoting facts and simply having gfm say 'my opinion is they never converge' and the other person saying 'my opinion is they do', and neither side QUOTING facts to make their argument.
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Sybil doesn't converse. Have you been to his fake forum? It explains a lot: https://politiplex.freeforums.net/

Look at the mods. LOL
 
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