Bai Lan
Let It Rot
nothing.
it's just they're using gene therapy to stimulate hyper inflammation when we can't consume sugar fast enough for the Nazi big pharma bros.
carry on.
A Crisis of Credibility [Controversy over RFK Jr.'s work]
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it's just they're using gene therapy to stimulate hyper inflammation when we can't consume sugar fast enough for the Nazi big pharma bros.
carry on.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
so you explain it.
are they not to stimulate the immune system with genetically engineered spike proteins?
and how does the immune system respond to things?
20 points.
I asked you why my age mattered. You launched into something you have no understanding of in order to impress me. I'm not. Because I know you don't know jack shit about mRNA vaccines other than what you got from whatever rightwing/conspiracy theory website you prefer.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
does age always matter in health considerations?
the answer is yes.
now you explain how mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy and don;t involve spike proteins, the immune system or inflammation.
show your work.
50 points.
Yakuda
Verified User
Well I think a.vaccine that prevents something is useful but I have no problem with people who dont believe in them. I don't ever get a flu shot because it's nothing but guess work. We have. I idea what's in those things.
LOL. I'm not claiming to understand mRNA vaccines. I don't have the training.
And I'm 100% certain you don't have the training either. You aren't a medical professional and you've likely never done any actual research in any official capacity in any area of the sciences.
As such I don't care about whatever you want to hold forth on the topic about because I'm (and hopefully everyone else) will just ignore it.
Hope your "smarter than the scientists" approach pans out for you. I suspect it's been a stunningly spectacular failure so far in your life but hey, roll the dice again!
Yakuda
Verified User
Yawn. Didn say I was dumbass. Good lord you're an.idiot.
I'm the idiot? Say the guy who proudly doesn't get the flu shot.
Wow.
Do you think yourself smarter than EVERYONE or just everyone with a medical degree?
Scott
Verified User
I wish people would hold off from insulting each other, but there are many good reasons not to take the flu shots. This article on what the flu shots do is a tad old, but still quite good in my view:
Ineffectiveness and Dangers of Flu Shots - Global Research
Believing what governments say can be hazardous to your health. It’s even truer from corporate-sponsored studies on the benefits of their products. Thus, be very leery about the new CSL Ltd. one on the effectiveness of taking one Swine Flu dose. More to the point, any Swine Flu shot as, in...
www.globalresearch.ca
Here's an article from this year on some of the side effects of flu shots:
Study Shows Flu Vaccine Disrupts Menstrual Cycles — Author Says Findings Should ‘Reassure’ Women
Dr. Clayton Baker criticized the study’s authors for downplaying the significance of the findings. He said the finding that 5%-6% of women have a substantial disruption in their menstrual cycle on the cycle that they get the shots, and a quarter of those women continue to have a menstrual cycle...
childrenshealthdefense.org
Welcome to JPP.
but there are many good reasons not to take the flu shots. This article on what the flu shots do is a tad old, but still quite good in my view:
Ineffectiveness and Dangers of Flu Shots - Global Research
Believing what governments say can be hazardous to your health. It’s even truer from corporate-sponsored studies on the benefits of their products. Thus, be very leery about the new CSL Ltd. one on the effectiveness of taking one Swine Flu dose. More to the point, any Swine Flu shot as, in...
Why don't you go with an actual MEDICAL journal instead of relying on "Centre for Research on Globalization"? Is the medical literature beyond you?
Scott
Verified User
Lol
. I've been around a bit, I know the insults fly on a regular basis, but I think that drawing a bit of attention to it -might- get some people to tone it down a bit.Why don't you go with an actual MEDICAL journal instead of relying on "Centre for Research on Globalization"?there are many good reasons not to take the flu shots. This article on what the flu shots do is a tad old, but still quite good in my view:
Ineffectiveness and Dangers of Flu Shots - Global Research
Believing what governments say can be hazardous to your health. It’s even truer from corporate-sponsored studies on the benefits of their products. Thus, be very leery about the new CSL Ltd. one on the effectiveness of taking one Swine Flu dose. More to the point, any Swine Flu shot as, in...
Some reasons:
Corruption in the health sector: A problem in need of a systems-thinking approach - PMC
Health systems are comprised of complex interactions between multiple different actors with differential knowledge and understanding of the subject and system. It is exactly this complexity that makes it particularly vulnerable to corruption, which ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Former NEJM editors on the corruption of American medicine (NY Times) - SPM Blog
This is longer than it might be, because this point is essential. If this subject is familiar to you, skip to the heading “Today’s update.” As we said in December, […]
participatorymedicine.org
I imagine you never actually clicked on the Global Research article, so I'll bring a bit of it to you:
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All Vaccines Are Ineffective and Unsafe
Gary Null is a leading health and nutrition expert, author, documentary filmmaker, founder of the Progressive Radio Network, and syndicated host of the longest running health program in America, Natural Living with Gary Null.
On September 18, 2009, he interviewed Dr. Viera Scheibner, “arguably one of the world’s most respected scientists and scholars on vaccine medical data….Her investigations uncover how the vaccine industrial complex (and complicit government regulatory bodies produce) pseudo-science that is fraught with inconsistencies, poorly designed studies, erroneous interpretations, and conclusions that are patently false” – by design, not chance.
She calls vaccinations “an illness industry,” causing a “pandemic (of) degenerative diseases (and) behavioral problems.”
From her research and writings on vaccine science and history, she said:
In addition, “Vaccines (can) damage internal organs, particularly the pancreas,” so everyone vaccinated, including for seasonal flu, is vulnerable to contracting severe “autoimmune diseases like diabetes,” Addison’s Disease, Arthritis, Asthma, Guillian-Barre Syndrome, Hepatitis, Lou Gehrig’s Disease, Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, Osteoporosis, Polio, and dozens of others.
Some can kill. Others produce a lifetime of disability and pain because autoimmune disease happens when the “body attacks itself,” or more accurately “is attacked” by an unhealthy lifestyle, stress, and various harmful ingestible substances; that is, toxins in drugs, food, air, water, and other liquids. According to immunologist, Dr. Jesse Stoff, human health is compromised four ways:
Other factors include a lack of sleep and exercise, smoking, heavy alcohol consumption, and various excesses that throw the body out of balance, making it susceptible to a host of debilitating illnesses.
Known Toxins in Seasonal Flu and Other Vaccines
Millions voluntarily take annual flu shots not knowing their harmful ingredients. With variations by producer, they contain numerous stabilizers, neutralizers, carrying agents, and preservatives, including:
Contrary to industry and government agency advice, annual flu shots are dangerous and ineffective. According to Croft Woodruff, president of the EDTA Chelation Association of British Columbia:
“Statistically, you’d be more likely to avoid the flu if you took nothing at all. So why are we subjected to the flu vaccine media blitz each year?” In a word, profits assured annually as long as enough people take them – for all vaccines (besides the enormous bonanza from the Swine Flu vaccines), billions of dollars in annual revenues, according to leading producer estimates.
On September 29, Wall Street Journal writers Jonathan Rockoff and Peter Loftus explained that the industry believes vaccines:
Or perhaps, in the case of Swine Flu, infect it as part of a sinister depopulation scheme through involuntary male and/or female sterilization and future deadly illnesses while rewarding producers with hundreds of billions in profits from global inoculations over the next few years. For what may be planned, it doesn’t get any better than that. As a result, the public is cautioned to ignore media and official hype and stay safe by refusing all vaccines, especially the new Swine Flu ones that may, in fact, be bioweapons.
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the amazing thing is that I've had the "death stab" 6 times, as well as the flu and shingles vaccines, and I'm still alive.
So maybe they're not "death stabs".
Maybe - and I'm just thinking out loud, here - you should not get vaccinated if you don't want to, but let people who understand what and how vaccines work (or who trust in the science behind vaccines) be vaccinated.
That way, we can all go on living and if you should die from a disease you could have easily been vaccinated against perhaps someone would show up to mourn at your funeral.
Gary Null is a leading health and nutrition expert, author, documentary filmmaker, founder of the Progressive Radio Network, and syndicated host of the longest running health program in America, Natural Living with Gary Null.
I just had to laugh at these comments. I literally laughed out loud when I read them.
Gary Null is NOT a "leading health and nutrition expert". He is a talk radio host and author of pseudo- and anti-science works.
He has an Associates degree in Business Administration, a Bachelor's Degree in Human Nutrition, and a very shaky PhD from a poorly-written and poorly peer-received thesis, "A Study of Psychological and Physiological Effects of Caffeine on Human Health".
He has no education in virology, immunology, vaccinology, and microbiology. He is wholly unqualified to speak on the efficaciousness and development of vaccines.
Viera Schneibner, here described as "...arguably one of the world's most respected scientists and scholars on vaccine medical data..." is a retired micropalaeontologist. Micropaoaeontology is the study of tiny fossils, generally less than a millimetre in size.
She has NO formal medical training or scientific background whatsoever and, just like Gary Null, is wholly unqualified to discuss the efficacy and development of vaccines.
And therein lies the problem. People like these two spew their unqualified, unscientific, and medically unsound (if not downright dangerous) statements into the world, and for some reason rather than dig deeper, people lap it up and cite them as factual and authoritative figures.
The phrase "consider the source" is a well-known phrase for a reason. Null and Schneibner are poor sources.
Considering their opinions on vaccines and viruses would be laughable if both of them weren't such a public health danger.
Yakuda
Verified User
A disease with a 99% recovery rate. Please STFU but you won't will you. Your kind always needs to blatherthe amazing thing is that I've had the "death stab" 6 times, as well as the flu and shingles vaccines, and I'm still alive.
So maybe they're not "death stabs".
Maybe - and I'm just thinking out loud, here - you should not get vaccinated if you don't want to, but let people who understand what and how vaccines work (or who trust in the science behind vaccines) be vaccinated.
That way, we can all go on living and if you should die from a disease you could have easily been vaccinated against perhaps someone would show up to mourn at your funeral.
Scott
Verified User
I concede that I had not thought of questioning Gary Null's credentials prior to your comments. I have since checked Wikipedia, and it verified a lot of what you are saying. I am -not- a fan of big pharma mainstream medicine, so saying that the establishment doesn't like Null's credentials is hardly something I find surprising. Here's a snippet of his page on Wikipedia that I can definitely relate to:
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Career
Null is hostile to many facets of mainstream medicine, arguing that physicians and pharmaceutical companies have an economic interest in promoting rather than preventing sickness, and he has regularly asserted that all diseases are caused by nutritional deficiencies which can be cured by nutritional supplements. In place of standard medical therapy, Null advocated alternative cancer treatments such as Krebiozen, laetrile and Gerson therapy, asserting that "the alternatives have been covered up by those science writers of the national news media who ride shotgun for the medical establishment's solid-gold cancer train".**
I am not familiar with Krebiozen or laetrile, but I am -definitely- familiar with the Gerson therapy and think it has a lot to offer, having watched a documentary on it a while back. It can be seen here:
Dying to have known : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Cancer cure documentary. The documentary film maker Steve Kroschel searches evidence for the Gerson cancer theraphy, and finds it in abundance! This is the...
archive.org
Scott
Verified User
Another article, from the same site as the one referenced in the OP, on RFK Jr.'s progress in regards to vaccines:
www.thefocalpoints.com
Kennedy Faces Insufferable Congressmen
Reps & Senators grandstand for the Vaccine Cartel and NIH grant money racketeers.
www.thefocalpoints.com
Scott
Verified User
Just read the following article on RFK Jr.'s recent testimony in congress, thought it was quite good:
www.vigilantfox.com
I think the final part of the article deserves mention:
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Later, Kennedy clashed with Rep. DeLauro once more. This time, he let loose.
“Look at our children, they’re the sickest children in the world,” he said passionately.
Kennedy delivered a direct blow to DeLauro, noting he succeeded where she failed.
“Congresswoman DeLauro, you say that you’ve worked for 20 years on getting food dye out. Then give me credit!” he exclaimed. “I got it out in 100 days.”
He then closed with a call to unity:
“So, let’s work together and do something that we all believe in, which is have healthy kids in our country for God’s sake. There’s no such thing as Republican children or Democratic children. There’s just kids, and we should all be concerned with them.”
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RFK Jr. Stuns Critics in His First Major Hearing as HHS Secretary
A dentist congressman came out swinging on fluoride. By the time Kennedy finished, he realized he picked the wrong fight.
www.vigilantfox.com
I think the final part of the article deserves mention:
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Later, Kennedy clashed with Rep. DeLauro once more. This time, he let loose.
“Look at our children, they’re the sickest children in the world,” he said passionately.
Kennedy delivered a direct blow to DeLauro, noting he succeeded where she failed.
“Congresswoman DeLauro, you say that you’ve worked for 20 years on getting food dye out. Then give me credit!” he exclaimed. “I got it out in 100 days.”
He then closed with a call to unity:
“So, let’s work together and do something that we all believe in, which is have healthy kids in our country for God’s sake. There’s no such thing as Republican children or Democratic children. There’s just kids, and we should all be concerned with them.”
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