With the industrial revolution, almost all famines have happened to farmers and rural people.
Nope. Happened to everyone.
Urban industrial people almost never have famines.
They don't grow any food. Yes...they have famines.
The one exception is when there is a war, or some other sort of violent government action to cut off food from the cities.
You just locked yourself into another paradox, Wally. You can't say only farmers are subject to famine and that those same farmers prevent the city from having a famine at the same time!
So if trump has the army surround NYC and cutoff food, there will be starvation. Other than that, NYC will find the food somewhere.
NYC is currently under famine, caused in large part by high crime.
The reason for this is that when farmers do not produce enough food to even feed themselves, they also do not produce enough food to sell, and buy food for themselves. Meanwhile, only a small part of the money that urban dwellers have goes to food. If that doubles, or even triples, it is painful, but they can still do it. Even if they lose their economic production, they have decades worth of food buying assets stored up.
Ignoring the high cost of eggs awhile ago now?
If red states are no longer able to produce food, blue states will just buy the food from other sources.
It's not about States, Wally.
Transportation is cheap and efficient,
Not in the SDTC.
so blue states can buy from anywhere in the world.
It's not about States, Wally.
The Chinese are also doing this. They are buying from other countries.
The Chinese economy has almost collapsed. People aren't spending money in China.
There is a new saying among economists that "a bean is a bean is a bean." It is much easier to replace agricultural products than intellectual property products. Beans from Brazil are basically the same as beans from Kansas. Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Wall Street, etc. would be much harder for Brazil to replace.
No, they aren't.
Beans from Kansas are already in Kansas. Beans from Brazil must be imported at tremendous cost by comparison.
Silicon Valley has already been replaced by technology centers in other States.
Hollywood has already been replaced by other studios scattered around the globe.
Wall Street is a road. Brazil doesn't need to replace Wall Street.
So without red states, blue states would not starve. In fact, given that almost all the technologies that allow increased farming production come from educated liberals, I wonder whether red states would starve without us.
It's not about States, Wally. Modern farming practices do not come from city dwellers.
No, but it is clear they are not economically worth as much as Blue States. Who is to say what people are worth beyond economics.
So now you think food is worthless??????
But I do disagree with this claim that Republicans are all farmers.
No one made any such claim, Wally.
About 2% of the labor market is in farming.
Argument from randU fallacy.
Many of those are illegal aliens, legal aliens, temporary aliens, poor farm laborers, etc.
Farming is mechanized now, Wally. They are not needed on farms.
Let's say 1% of them are your Republican farm owners, that would be a high number, and let's say 40% of Americans are Republicans, that would mean 97.5% of Republicans are NOT farmers.
Argument from randU fallacies, Wally. Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy.
The vast majority of rural Republicans are not farmers.
Argument from randU fallacy.
Even beyond that, most do not even have neighbors who are farmers. They live on marginal land that could not support agriculture.
Argument from randU fallacies. Bigotry.
They are people who want to live somewhere cheap. I can not begrudge them that, but I certainly am not dependent on them for food. Those that live off government checks should be thanking me for paying taxes to support them. Those that live off investments should be thanking me for keeping the financial system going. Those that live off jobs should be thanking me for keeping money flowing into the economy.
And even those that are farmers should be thanking me for being a customer willing to (or forced by the government to) pay a lot more for the food that they sell than would be required by the international market, and also willing to pay taxes to subsidize them.
You hate farmers. You hate ranchers. You hate people in the country. They are the ones providing your city with food, water, electricity, etc. You DEPEND on those 'rednecks', Wally.
Exactly, Blue States produce a lot of food, but also a lot of everything else. Farming is 2% of California's economy.
Argument from randU fallacies. Stop making up numbers.
If they have a severe famine, and lose half of that, they will not even have a recession.
The SDTC is currently in economic depression.
They will outgrow that minor loss. Meanwhile, if Kansas lost half its agriculture, it would be in a deep depression.
Kansas is coming out economic depression, thanks to Trump's efforts. It will take longer for the SDTC to recover (if at all).
But people need food, right?
You just said they didn't.
Californians can use all their money to buy food from anywhere on Earth,
So why are you whining about the high cost of food and empty store shelves, Wally?????
while Kansas would have to beg other states for money to buy food.
Kansas doesn't need to beg anyone for food. They grow their own.
An acre of land is about the amount of land that a plow and horse team can plow in a day.
WRONG. It was a team of oxen, which are considerably slower than a horse! Today, an acre is standardized at 43560 sq ft.
6 days a week for 5 weeks gets you 30 acres.
I guess you want to ignore the combine harvesters, disking attachments, seeding attachments for your average tractor, Wally.
The point is the trucks stop running,
Why would truck stop running, Wally???
there is no way to produce on a full modern farm, and very quickly farmers are in real trouble.
None at all. They can still grow food. Why would trucks stop running, Wally???
They can no longer produce soybeans on 4,000 acres, and do not eat much soybeans anyway. That means they have to try to produce food they can eat on more like 40 acres. And somehow pay the mortgage on 4,000 acres when they have no income.
And that is when the starving starts.
Not for the farmer. For the city you live in.
