Three U.S. citizens, ages 2, 4 and 7, swiftly deported from Louisiana

Magats_Love_NHB said:

Three U.S. citizen children from two different families were deported with their mothers by Immigration and Customs Enforcement during the early hours of Friday morning. One of them is a 4-year-old with Stage 4 cancer who was deported without medication or the ability to contact their doctors, the family’s lawyer said.


According to their lawyers, both families were taken into custody while attending routine check-ins this week in New Orleans as part of the Intensive Supervision Appearance Program, which allows individuals to remain in their communities while undergoing immigration proceedings. Lawyers say the families were taken to Alexandria, Louisiana, a three-hour drive from New Orleans, where they were prevented from communicating with their family members and legal representatives and then put on a flight to Honduras.

The cases have renewed concerns that the Trump administration’s expedited deportations are violating the due process rights of both citizens and noncitizens.

“I don’t know how much more of a blatant or clear constitutional violation there can be than deporting U.S. citizens without due process,” said Alanah Odoms, executive director of the ACLU of Louisiana. “Especially with some of those citizens being the most vulnerable of all vulnerable, children, and not just any children, children with medical conditions that are dire.


The U.S. government has never released data on how many U.S. citizens have been wrongfully detained or deported by ICE. But independent investigations have revealed that ICE has arrested, detained, deported and issued detainers — requests to local jails to hold a person in custody — for thousands of citizens since the agency’s creation in 2003.

Lawyers representing the father of the 2-year-old U.S. citizen who was deported, identified as V.M.L. in court documents, filed an emergency petition in the Western District of Louisiana on Thursday seeking her release. The child was put on a plane to Honduras the next morning before the court opened.

Hours after the deportation, U.S. District Judge Terry A. Doughty, a Trump appointee, issued an order expressing his concern that the girl had been deported against her father’s wishes while stressing it is “illegal and unconstitutional” to deport U.S. citizens.



“The government contends that this is all OK because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her,” wrote Doughty, who has been lauded for his conservative rulings in the past. “But the court doesn’t know that.”

Doughty set a May 16 court hearing to investigate his “strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.” The order did not call for the girl’s return or recommend any recourse for the family.

According to court filings, the girl had accompanied her mother and 11-year-old sister to the immigration appointment in New Orleans on Tuesday morning. About an hour later, her father, who had driven the family into New Orleans for the meeting, received a call informing him that the family had been taken into custody. That night, the girl’s father was allowed to speak with her mother for only a minute before an ICE agent ended the call, lawyers contend. Lawyers say the man did not get the chance to speak to his partner or child again until after they were released in Honduras.



“Both of these mothers were held without the ability to speak with their co-parents and the guardians of their children while making this incredibly personal and difficult assessment about what was best for their children,” said Gracie Willis, the lawyer for V.M.L.’s father.

Justice Department lawyers argued that “the man claiming to be V.M.L.'s father” had failed to prove his identity to the government despite requests that he present himself to ICE agents, adding that he had also “demonstrated considerable hesitation” regarding the inquiries into his immigration status. The man’s lawyers included V.M.L.’s birth certificate in their fillings, which shows she was born in Baton Rouge and lists the names of both her mother and father.

The government is not disputing the immigration status of any of the three children. Instead, officials contend that the undocumented mothers opted to take their citizen children with them back to Honduras. In their court filing, Justice Department lawyers attached a note they say was written by V.M.L.’s mother saying that she was taking the child with her to Honduras.


“It is common that parents want to be removed with their children,” Tricia McLaughlin, a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, told The Washington Post.

Willis says ICE’s refusal to allow the women to talk to their lawyers meant there was no way to verify whether that was true in these cases.

“We have absolutely no idea whether they ever actually did give consent for their children to come with them or if they did under what kind of duress and what other options were presented to them,” Willis said.
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Libtard logic:
1 - Person caught breaking the law
2 - Person found guilty.
3 - If person has children drop charges and release. Wait, can't actually do that, so move to step 4.
4 - Lie to your dumbass supporters by claiming Trump deported kids, they eat that shit up and send us money.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
From the link earlier.

Hours after the deportation, U.S. District Judge Terry A. Doughty, a Trump appointee, issued an order expressing his concern that the girl had been deported against her father’s wishes while stressing it is “illegal and unconstitutional” to deport U.S. citizens.


“The government contends that this is all OK because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her,” wrote Doughty, who has been lauded for his conservative rulings in the past. “But the court doesn’t know that.”


It turns out the government has no evidence that the mother wanted the child with her. Why don't they have a document signed by the parents stating that was their wish if it really was their wish? It seems you are delusional and believe things for which there are no facts.
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Again, two parents, and not deported. The mother chose to keep the child.

Racist democrats do not think brown skinned people make good parents and want every child to remain in the US instead regardless of what the parents think.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
ICE does not have the power to deport US citizens and yet they did just that.
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They did not, ICE does not have the power to remove custodial care from a parent, and they did not. Deporting a parent without separating the family means the child goes with the parent. My question would be why the mother thought it was better to keep the child with her than to leave the child with their father.
 
volsrocks said:
The child’s mother, “made known to ICE officials she wanted to retain custody of V.M.L.” in a handwritten note and requested for the child to go with her to Honduras.


Guess u didn't read that part
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This. And nobody is wondering why she thought it was better for the child to remain in her custody. It is possible that there was an abusive relationship... we simply do not know.

Democrats do not think through what they are saying about this one. Brown skinned people have every right to maintain custody of their children, and it is racist to assume that they should not simply because they are brown and came from Honduras.
 
Damocles said:
Again, two parents, and not deported. The mother chose to keep the child.
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The court said they don't know that.
Damocles said:
Racist democrats do not think brown skinned people make good parents and want every child to remain in the US instead regardless of what the parents think.
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Care to show where anyone from the family told a court that the mother wanted the child to leave with her?

At this point, relying on statements from the government shows gullibility since the government has lied to the courts on several occasions and refused to follow court rules and court orders.
 
Damocles said:
They did not, ICE does not have the power to remove custodial care from a parent, and they did not. Deporting a parent without separating the family means the child goes with the parent. My question would be why the mother thought it was better to keep the child with her than to leave the child with their father.
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Once again, you seem to know things that the court said it doesn't know.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The court said they don't know that.

Care to show where anyone from the family told a court that the mother wanted the child to leave with her?

At this point, relying on statements from the government shows gullibility since the government has lied to the courts on several occasions and refused to follow court rules and court orders.
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Per the story:


The court documents filed by the government opposing the petition argued that the child’s mother, “made known to ICE officials she wanted to retain custody of V.M.L.” in a handwritten note and requested for the child to go with her to Honduras.

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In a statement to CNN, a senior Department of Homeland Security official said the mother “made the decision to take the child with them to Honduras. It is common that parents want to be removed with their children.”

“Parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates. In this case, the parent stated they wanted to be removed with the children,” the official said.

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sometimes actually reading the story brings enlightenment.

What I know now, Pobre ignores facts when he doesn't like them, and Democrats are racists who think that living somewhere with brown people is bad.
 
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Damocles said:
Yet the story seems to know them too. Once again you ignore inconvenient facts when they do not support your imaginary reality.
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What facts? ICE has a paper supposedly written and signed by the woman but it was under duress without being able to talk to her lawyer. The court has said that paper is not convincing evidence. It seems you are the one ignoring facts since you are accepting ICE's claims without any verification.
 
Damocles said:
Per the story:


The court documents filed by the government opposing the petition argued that the child’s mother, “made known to ICE officials she wanted to retain custody of V.M.L.” in a handwritten note and requested for the child to go with her to Honduras.

and

In a statement to CNN, a senior Department of Homeland Security official said the mother “made the decision to take the child with them to Honduras. It is common that parents want to be removed with their children.”

“Parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates. In this case, the parent stated they wanted to be removed with the children,” the official said.

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sometimes actually reading the story brings enlightenment.

What I know now, Pobre ignores facts when he doesn't like them, and Democrats are racists who think that living somewhere with brown people is bad.
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From your link... a direct quote from the judge.

The federal government, Doughty said, “contends this is all okay because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her … But the court doesn’t know that.”
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
From your link... a direct quote from the judge.

The federal government, Doughty said, “contends this is all okay because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her … But the court doesn’t know that.”
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And yet, that does not change that it is known. That judge may ignore information like you, but it doesn't change the facts.
 
Damocles said:
Says the guy ignoring the facts. She was custodial parent. DHS has a responsibility to take her opinion on this matter, him taking the child without her permission would be kidnapping (most kidnappings in the US are by the non-custodial parent).
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The court is saying that the supposed document is not actual evidence. How do you know who wrote it?

The court doesn't know since they can't ask her. The court doesn't know since ICE has not been willing to put anyone under oath saying they saw her write it. Her lawyer was not able to talk to her and advise or about writing such a note.

Yes, ICE has a document they claim she wrote. That is not evidence she wrote it or she wanted to take her child. It is only evidence that ICE has a note they claim she wrote. You are the one ignoring facts about the note and the questions of it being done willingly and not under duress.
 
Damocles said:
Says the guy ignoring the facts. She was custodial parent. DHS has a responsibility to take her opinion on this matter, him taking the child without her permission would be kidnapping (most kidnappings in the US are by the non-custodial parent).
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Is that why the mother wasn't allowed to speak on the matter. All the public knows is what Trump's lapdogs tell us.

One case is just one case, but there's a lot of inconsistencies in the Trump-El Salvador prison plan and other deportations. Do you really trust that Trump is being honest and forthright in this matter?
 
volsrocks said:
"The parents made the decision to take the child with them to Honduras.
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The father says he was allowed to speak to the mother for less than a minute, and was not able to discuss his child in that time. The trump administration claims that the parents made a joint decision. So I guess the next step is to see if a joint decision really was made with all parties having access to lawyers. There is a lot of paperwork generated by such a decision, so it should be easy to prove.
 
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