California overtakes Japan to become world’s fourth-largest economy

[T. A. Gardner]

California's government has some obvious issues in regard to red tape, but they also invest in money to grow the state. Do you think silicon valley was ever going to happen in Alabama?

Well, silicon valley is now in Arizona and Texas for the most part. Only the low paid code monkeys and CEOs are still in California. California's government drove off all the manufacturing decades ago.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Red states would be lost economically without blue states.

Blue States would starve to death without red states.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Blue States would starve to death without red states.

Not to mention having to do without all the manufactured stuff they need since blue states have driven off all their manufacturing capacity.

 

[ZenMode]

Well, silicon valley is now in Arizona and Texas for the most part. Only the low paid code monkeys and CEOs are still in California. California's government drove off all the manufacturing decades ago.

manufacturing is only one part of technology and innovation.

California didn't get to be the 4th largest economy in the world by chance or because they're "Alabama".

 

[Uncensored2008]

manufacturing is only one part of technology and innovation.

California didn't get to be the 4th largest economy in the world by chance or because they're "Alabama".

In fact chance is exactly it.

California has 3 natural, deep water ports, including Long Beach/Los Angeles - which has more volume than any other port in North America. Add San Francisco and San Diego, and two thirds of all goods from Asia - that is China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, et al - flow through these ports. Texas has considerably more manufacturing than California. Aerospace moved to Georgia long ago. Tech moved to Texas. But those ports funnel all those goods through the state.

California is a one trick pony, but it's a hell of a trick.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

manufacturing is only one part of technology and innovation.

California didn't get to be the 4th largest economy in the world by chance or because they're "Alabama".

They got there in good part due to having most of the West coast's ports, resource extraction, like oil, and manufacturing like the aerospace industry. That's leaving and what's left is essentially corporate headquarters and office workers of various sorts for the most part.

 

[Into the Night]

He was elected three times.

Nope. Just two. There was no election in 2020. That election cycle faulted due to election fraud by Democrats. No electoral college formed. Too many States never chose their electors.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm the childish one? And how is your old age relevant? We've recently learned that there are millions of people well over 120 yrs. old these days.

THAT one I'm still laughing about! The fraudsters were caught! And who's screaming about it like a stuck pig? DEMOCRATS!

 

[Into the Night]

Toby is a pill-popper due to a "botched back surgery". He's both in constant pain and high on opioids. He's incapable of being better.


QED

Mantra 1d. Lame.

 

[Into the Night]

Thanks for admitting his administration is anti-Constitutional.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE, SYBIL!!

 

[Cypress]

San Pedro was a bit sketchy, but I had no problems there. Escondido was pretty upscale to me, and where my truck was broken into. Santa Rosa was in wine country, so I could barely afford to live there even 30 years ago. Never saw a homeless person there or in Escondido. And like you said, the same petty crimes could have happened anywhere, even in the imperfect but affordable place I live now. But there are other reasons for their shithole status.




Like I said, there are other reasons for their shithole status. Primarily taxes, which those alone make the state unaffordable for me. And the way you administer criminal justice, particularly in the larger cities and towns, in general just disgusts me. I won't even visit California until the second term of next republican governor, (it'll probably take the entire 1st term to just START to straighten that place out) and it's not just California. Illinois and New York are on the list too.

So we have established that crime isn't a reason to call California a dystopian hell hole.

You are seriously going to point to tax rates for the reason a state should be called a dystopian nightmare? LOL, I think you are relying on hyperbole and exaggeration way too much.

I live around world class natural beauty, year round mild weather, and people who on average are not stressed and uptight and live healthy lifestyles.

And because of a tax rate I'm supposed to call this a dystopian hell hole?

Yes, real estate is expensive, but that's because it's in demand. I've never been convinced by the argument that I should move because I could get a six bedroom McMansion in Nebraska.

 

[Into the Night]

California's government has some obvious issues in regard to red tape, but they also invest in money to grow the state.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Do you think silicon valley was ever going to happen in Alabama?

Silicon valley??? Companies are leaving that place in droves, and I don't blame them!
San Jose is like a ghost town, but with crime. The entire Bay Area is infested with severe crime and homelessness encampments and drugs that NO ONE in the SDTC is doing anything about!

Apple doesn't even manufacture in the US anymore.
HP has moved it's offices elsewhere.
AWS, Amazon, Microsoft, and much of Google is based in the Seattle area now.

Alabama has tech industries in AI, security software, embedded software (and the hardware for it!), and is also home to the engine test facility for NASA.

Many of the tech industries fleeing the SDTC are fleeing to Texas, and some are fleeing to Oregon and Washington. A few are fleeing to Nevada.

King Newsom is destroying the economy in the SDTC, and people that can get out are LEAVING.

 

[Into the Night]

Cats aren't dogs and you really shouldn't use words you don't understand.

Random phrase. No apparent coherency. Inversion fallacy.

 

[ZenMode]

Random phrase. No apparent coherency. Inversion fallacy.

Yes. That describes 80% of your posts.

 

[Diesel]

False assumption on your part. California's economy is so large because of location more than anything. If California were on the East Coast, it would stretch from N. Carolina to Maine.

Now, compare California's economy to the combined totals of the states from N. Carolina to Maine and see how it does.

Wrong again. CA is 163,695 square miles. TX is 268,596 square miles.

 

[Diesel]

that is dumb. it is like a child with a large savings account and no household expenses or equivalent responsibility bragging about his wealth to an adult

A state economy is not like a child's savings account.

 

[Into the Night]

In fact chance is exactly it.

California has 3 natural, deep water ports, including Long Beach/Los Angeles - which has more volume than any other port in North America.

Now effectively useless, due to stupid Covid rules (yes, they still exist there!), and union shutdowns. Ships are going elsewhere to deliver their goods now, even paying extra for the trip through the Canal to deliver their goods.

Add San Francisco and San Diego, and two thirds of all goods from Asia - that is China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, et al - flow through these ports. Texas has considerably more manufacturing than California. Aerospace moved to Georgia long ago. Tech moved to Texas. But those ports funnel all those goods through the state.

California is a one trick pony, but it's a hell of a trick.

...and King Newsom effectively shut it down.

EVs requirement for trucks.
Covid rules and unions shutting or limiting port activity.
Trump tariffs on abusive nations like China.

* Ranchers and farmers are ABANDONING their land. They can't get water.
* Roads are degrading to the point of almost being gravel highways.
* Homeless shitting in the streets in the cities, converting the streets into an open sewer, with raw sewage runoff into the nearby waters.
* Druggies hooked on stuff that turns them into living zombies.
* Insufficient water. Insufficient electrical power.
* Arsonists and criminals everywhere.

It's just depressing to see the inside of the SDTC now. I avoid the place now whenever possible.

 

[Into the Night]

So we have established that crime isn't a reason to call California a dystopian hell hole.

Crime is just one reason to call the SDTC a dystopian hell hole. I have listed others already.

You are seriously going to point to tax rates for the reason a state should be called a dystopian nightmare? LOL, I think you are relying on hyperbole and exaggeration way too much.

No, that's YOU Sybil.

I live around world class natural beauty,

I don't consider zombies on the street and open sewers 'natural beauty', Sybil.
I don't consider abandoned farms and ranches going to weeds 'natural beauty' either.
I don't consider open crime 'natural beauty' either.

year round mild weather, and people who on average are not stressed and uptight and live healthy lifestyles.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And because of a tax rate I'm supposed to call this a dystopian hell hole?

You seem to be desperate to try to call your dystopian hell hole 'paradise'!

Yes, real estate is expensive, but that's because it's in demand.

Nope. It's because of price controls and taxes.

I've never been convinced by the argument that I should move because I could get a six bedroom McMansion in Nebraska.

So stay in the hellhole. You deserve it. People in Nebraska don't get along with your type anyway.

 

[Into the Night]

manufacturing is only one part of technology and innovation.

California didn't get to be the 4th largest economy in the world by chance or because they're "Alabama".

They aren't, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes. That describes 80% of your posts.

LIF. Grow up.