The AZ illegals just got screwed

Taichiliberal said:
Maybe you should grow up and stop calling your sister "sissie"....she's got to be over 30 by now. And I got it right...you just can't deal with it.
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"A warrant for an unpaid parking ticket that should at best got her car towed (she had her license and registration)....the cop just saw brown skin and went off the rails...and HE WAS WRONG. Also, this was just ONE of over 100 cases....had you paid attention, you'd have known this."

What part of WARRANT don't you comprehend, you ignorant bitch. LOL

A WARRANT gets your ass arrested; but in your idiotic world, you want to make your own rules and regulations.

You couldn't get it right, if the answer was tattooed to your flat little forehead, you were in front of a mirror, and someone read it to you.

Stop being so stupid, sissie.

Taichi------->:1up:<---------Taichi's mom​
 
Topspin said:
J walking is a cime we have all committed. Imigration gives the racist something to rail against.
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Sorta. Jaywalking is usually not a crime. It is a civil infraction just like illegal presence. Calling the jaywalker or the person here illegally a criminal is stupid. It might help if you want to demonize a group, but neither of those actions justify labeling someone a criminal.

As you noted, many of us have been guilty of jaywalking, but we don't think of a jaywalker as a criminal. A criminal is usually someone who violates the rights of others, a thief, murderer, etc., not a jaywalker.

For example...

If we are going to start calling every violation of the law a crime, then "criminal" loses it's power. The next time you fill out an application you will have to retell all the times you have been found guilty of "crimes" like speeding, parking in the wrong place, driving without your seat belt, etc. What's worse is the information will be mostly useless to the employer because he does not care if you were guilty of jaywalking. He's looking for real crimes, you know, like battery on your employer/coworker. Unless you are applying for the position of crossing guard, he's not going to care about jaywalking. The criminal label placed upon you by the state is going to be meaningless and useless.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
"A warrant for an unpaid parking ticket that should at best got her car towed (she had her license and registration)....the cop just saw brown skin and went off the rails...and HE WAS WRONG. Also, this was just ONE of over 100 cases....had you paid attention, you'd have known this."

What part of WARRANT don't you comprehend, you ignorant bitch. LOL

A WARRANT gets your ass arrested; but in your idiotic world, you want to make your own rules and regulations.

You couldn't get it right, if the answer was tattooed to your flat little forehead, you were in front of a mirror, and someone read it to you.

Stop being so stupid, sissie. (peed your pants again? Or does your adult sister get off on a toddler's name for her?)

Taichi------->:1up:<---------Taichi's mom​
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And your right....the warrant required arrest....my error. What the arrest for an unpaid parking ticket DID NOT require was detainment for immigration violation, as the woman was an American citizen with a driver's license (proper ID).

And of course, you ignore the information pointing to about 100 other similar cases where people of brown skin were illegally detained DESPITE having immediate proof of their citizenship.

THIS IS PROOF THAT ABUSES OF IMMIGRATION LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES OCCUR TO A SPECIFIC GROUP OF AMERICANS...AND THIS IS BEFORE THE ARIZONA LAW COMES INTO AFFECT, WHICH "LEGALIZES" SUCH ACTIONS.

But do continue to deny it, Tempie. Now, say something stupid or crow about my error, just as I predicted.

But hey, you caught me in an error, so your pea brain will focus on this for God knows how long...as if it excuses your history of willfull ignorance and insipid stubborness. Carry on.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Since I've linked information that documents what I'm talking about, it's not just my "opinion". Only a stubborn fool like you would pretend otherwise.

Grow the fuck up, Southy.
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Southern Man said:
Logical fallacy: Appeal to Authority.
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Stop bullshitting and grow up, you dope! I provided fact based proof of what I stated...and rather than just acknowledge it you stubbornly stall and bluff.

See Southy, it's not about logic or facts or even what's right & wrong with people like you....all you care about is that your mental outlook on life is massaged.....to hell with everyone else....so much so you'll bend over the chair yourself and smile when the quasi-facist corporatist screw your wallet and civil rights. :palm:
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Bottom line: Arizona's new law just opens up the window for more of these abuses....and pointing that out just takes the wind out of the "anti-big gov't" blowhards. Deal with it.
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PostmodernProphet said:
bottom line....you're a fear monger....deal with it.....
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Spoken like the little coward you are.......I provided FACTS that back up what I say, so you just avoid the FACTS and continue to lie...because God forbid you admit you're wrong on any point. The chronology of the post pre-empts your predictable repeat of lies. Carry on.
 
Mr. Spite said:
"Criminal" is usually only applied to someone who has committed a serious crime. Misdemeanors like immigrating without papers or getting a traffic ticket do not count.
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Mr. Spite, the word "serious" is never used in defining a crime. Sorry about that. And you are ass-backwards wrong in saying that immigrating without papers do not count as a crime. The U.S. criminal code specifically makes illegal entry (that is immigrating without papers) a CRIME.
 
Socrtease said:
undocumented aliens are NOT charged with a crime for their first entry. It is a civil process and if you are found to be here without inspection then you are sent home, usually with a restriction on re-entry for some period of time. Only a subsequent re-entry without inspection is a criminal offense. So technically, under US law, many undocumented aliens are not criminals.
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Sorry tease, but you are ass-backward wrong. Illegal entry, that is coming across the boarder without papers is indeed defined by the U.S. criminal code as a crime and not a misdemeanor. If someone comes in legally and overstays their visa, then they are ordered to leave (sent home) and possibly fined. Any undocumented aliens who enters the U.S. is indeed a criminal.
 
RStringfield said:
It's beside the point. The point is that the plaintiff faces a much lower burden in civil cases than the prosecution in criminal cases. There is no point debating it. It's a fact.
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At the civil deportation hearing they are not even entitled to a lawyer. If you criminalize then EVER SINGLE ONE OF THEM is entitled to a lawyer, and will have one appointed to them without cost to THEM but it will still cost. Many of my ilk see the clouds on the horizon filled with free government cash.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Stop bullshitting and grow up, you dope! I provided fact based proof of what I stated...and rather than just acknowledge it you stubbornly stall and bluff.

See Southy, it's not about logic or facts or even what's right & wrong with people like you....all you care about is that your mental outlook on life is massaged.....to hell with everyone else....so much so you'll bend over the chair yourself and smile when the quasi-facist corporatist screw your wallet and civil rights. :palm:
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Pity me for assuming you'd know what I was talking about.

Description of Appeal to Authority

An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
3. Therefore, C is true.
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http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html
 
Socrtease said:
At the civil deportation hearing they are not even entitled to a lawyer. If you criminalize then EVER SINGLE ONE OF THEM is entitled to a lawyer, and will have one appointed to them without cost to THEM but it will still cost. Many of my ilk see the clouds on the horizon filled with free government cash.
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They also have to be dragged into court. You can't put somebody on trial for a criminal offense without their presence. Further, there is usually a burden to prove general intent or criminal negligence in a criminal case. I doubt that will be easy for someone who just fell out of compliance. It would be counter-productive to the stated goals of the anti-immigration crowd to treat these people as criminals when you can deport them for a civil violation.

But the right does not care about our legal traditions if they get in the way of demonizing immigrants.

To head off the spin and straw men. Illegal entry demonstrates intent by the act itself. It is not at all reasonable to assume that anyone crossed the border unintentionally, without some extremely weird circumstances.
 
RStringfield said:
To head off the spin and straw men. Illegal entry demonstrates intent by the act itself. It is not at all reasonable to assume that anyone crossed the border unintentionally, without some extremely weird circumstances.
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It's an improvement for you to admit your idiocy preemptively.
 
RStringfield said:
You are an idiot. This is not appeal to authority. You asked for something other than his opinion. He provided it. That's not an appeal to authority.
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when you unquestioningly throw up experts paid to lie it is an appeal to authority. hell yes it is. quit being douchey.
 
AssHatZombie said:
It's an improvement for you to admit your idiocy preemptively.
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Do you really believe this is a valid response? Illegal entry and illegal presence are not the same thing. The violations are very very different. To pretend otherwise is absurd. You continue to ignore the differences based on your own desire to play dumb. The truth does not help you and so you ignore it.
 
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