Ouch, big time Ouch

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Right now:

US stocks rebound as gold hits record high​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/22/investing/us-stock-market/index.html​

But gold being at a record high does show that investors are worried.

Market is at 39,000, nowhere near the 45,000 it was last December, it did recover some of the loss from yesterday, but that just highlights its unpredictably, up one day, down the next, leaves investors in a quagmire

And Gold hitting new highs isn’t all good, Gold is an international commodity, when it rises so dramatically it shows the lack of faith investors have in the current state of the US Markets

 

[Yakuda]

Markets, along with Bond Market and Dollar value, when combined together, give us a portrait of the economy, the pulse of involvement in investing, when no one is investing, your economy isn’t growing, it’s not rocket science

I agree a portrait based on speculation. If believe suspect they won't make money they won't invest. Thats ENTIRELY separate from whether or not they would make money. So based solely on their speculation they don't invest. It seems like rocket science to you

 

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I agree a portrait based on speculation. If believe suspect they won't make money they won't invest. Thats ENTIRELY separate from whether or not they would make money. So based solely on their speculation they don't invest. It seems like rocket science to you

If it was only that easy

Attempting to simplify it, not wanting to invest shows a lack of faith in that company or entity on making money. Whatever the stock, if it is projected to decline in profit, investors sell. Traditionally one then turns to the Bond Market or Dollar, but both of those are also shrinking in value. Together, if all three are underperforming, it depicts a shaky economy, history has shown us America, and the world, suffers from a Bear market

 

[Yakuda]

If it was only that easy

Attempting to simplify it, not wanting to invest shows a lack of faith in that company or entity on making money. Whatever the stock, if it is projected to decline in profit, investors sell. Traditionally one then turns to the Bond Market or Dollar, but both of those are also shrinking in value. Together, if all three are underperforming, it depicts a shaky economy, history has shown us America, and the world, suffers from a Bear market

It's not simplifying it that's just how it is. When Trump announced tariffs the market tanked because of s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n. Nothing more nothing less. The harvard economists like you screeched....see how bad tariffs are for the economy. Hilarious. I know, I know, you have to stick with your argument now.

 

[Nordberg]

Trump is the author of this mess. He does not know what he is doing. Unless he is making a fortune off moving the market up and down . He is hurting the nation, but he does not care about that.

 

[Daylight63]

If believe suspect they won't make money they won't invest. Thats ENTIRELY separate from whether or not they would make money. So based solely on their speculation they don't invest. It seems like rocket science to you

No offense but I sure do wish you had a job with a publicly traded corporation. That way you would understand more accurately the relationship between the stock market and how companies operate.

But count yourself lucky to be one of the schmucks who makes minimum. You don't have to worry about a 401k or the company laying you off because of a bad quarter. You'll move on soon enough anyway. Probably to another minimum wage job.

 

[Daylight63]

Trump is the author of this mess.

^^^^^^^QFT^^^^^^^^^^ X100000000

He does not know what he is doing.

Anyone who thinks a man who has driven 6 companies into bankruptcy (one being a CASINO!) is some sort of business maven, they would have to be pretty gullible.

Unless he is making a fortune off moving the market up and down . He is hurting the nation, but he does not care about that.

Either this stock market mess was planned to help his broligarch buddies buy on the dip or he's manifestly incompetent. Neither is a good look. But then the man is so corrupt he's been legally barred from running a charity because he's fleeced on before. His own SON fleeced a children's cancer charity to enrich the Trump coffers.

Trumpists are 100% the most gullible, stupid voting bloc to ever exist in the last century.

 

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It's not simplifying it that's just how it is. When Trump announced tariffs the market tanked because of s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n. Nothing more nothing less. The harvard economists like you screeched....see how bad tariffs are for the economy. Hilarious. I know, I know, you have to stick with your argument now.

No, investors pulled because of the history of high tariffs, plus the fact that Trump set tariffs one day, cut them the next day, changed them the day after, and put them back on afterwards, etc., the unpredictability led to hesitation

 

[Into the Night]

“Dow Headed for Worst April Since 1932”​

“The Dow Jones Industrial Average shed almost 1,000 points on Monday and is headed for its worst April performance since 1932, according to Dow Jones Market Data. The S&P 500’s performance since Inauguration Day is now the worst for any president up to this point in data going back to 1928”

“Meanwhile, counterweights that usually strengthen when stocks fall—such as government bonds and the U.S. dollar—are also under pressure, leaving investors with few havens to wait out the storm.

What 'storm', anchovies?????

“It’s the hallmark of the ‘no confidence’ trade,” said Scott Ladner, chief investment officer at Horizon Investments. “It’s impossible to commit capital to an economy that is unstable and unknowable because of policy structure.”

“Concerns about the economy are weighing on the U.S. dollar. The ICE U.S. dollar index, a measure of the dollar against a basket of major currencies, slipped more than 1% on Monday”

Meh.

And the shame of it all is that it is self inflicted

Yup. Because YOU invested in something others don't want!

 

[Into the Night]

That’s pretty good, “so,” sounds like a guy on the Hidenburg being told the aircraft was on fire

The stock market is not a blimp, anchovies.

 

[Into the Night]

Anyone with a 401k does, and Trump does, he doesn’t waste a moment boasting credit at any ticking up, and if it falls, it’s automatically “Biden’s fault,” although now Trump has a new scapegoat, Powell

The world tracks the Dow, all the Markets, especially the Bond Market and the value of the Dollar when the Dow is fading, both of which are also receding. Investors, domestic and foreign, are shying away due to the unpredictability, and personal anecdotals don’t alter those facts

The world is not a person, anchovies.

 

[Into the Night]

Guess you missed the “this is all self inflicted,” is is not cyclical nor structural, but all bought about because of Trump’s policies

Trump does not control the Dow Jones futures. You invested in something that other people don't want. You're gambling, and you lost. Yeah. You inflicted it upon yourself.

 

[Into the Night]

By itself, yes, it is a limited barometer, however, as mentioned, when combined with the Bond Market and the value of the Dollar it is a strong indicator of a threatened economy

The stock market is not the economy.
The Bond market is not the economy.
The value of the dollar is not the economy.

Buying and selling goods and services for an agreed upon price is the economy.

People are building more houses and buildings now, and improving them. That means more people laying concrete and asphalt, making and selling lumber and metal and gypsum products, making plumbing products and wiring products, and even more government inspectors conducting inspections of projects underway.

Truck traffic at our local quarry and batch plant is almost continuous now!

ALL of my investments are doing wonderfully,
...and I'm selling more instrumentation than ever!

 

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What 'storm', anchovies?????

Meh.

Yup. Because YOU invested in something others don't want!

No where in my post did I even employ the word “storm,” so as usual, you don’t know what you are talking about

And now I supposedly invested in something

 

[Into the Night]

The economy is on the brink of tanking because you lot were scared of pronouns.

Illiteracy: The economy is not a pronoun.

Thank you for voting for a 34-time convicted felon, 6-time bankrupt business man to do EXACTLY what 50% of the nation knew he would do: fuck us all up.

Who's that, Dimlight?

 

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The stock market is not a blimp, anchovies.

Ah, no kidding, who told you

 

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Trump does not control the Dow Jones futures. You invested in something that other people don't want. You're gambling, and you lost. Yeah. You inflicted it upon yourself.

True, but his policies certainly effect it, as we have seen in the last three half months

 

[Into the Night]

Of course gold rises, which isn’t all good since it shows a lack of confidence in the US economy,

Gold is not the economy, anchovies.

investors turning to gold as the only reliable investment, and as far as rebound, rising to 39,000 is a far cry from the 45,000 it was at last December.

Gold is currently $3331.80 (Source: London Spot @now). Gold has never been $45,000.

 

[Into the Night]

Ah, no kidding, who told you

You seem to be confused, thinking the economy is a blimp.

 

[Into the Night]

True, but his policies certainly effect it, as we have seen in the last three half months

Trump does not control the Dow Jones futures.