Senators push Obama for biometric national ID card

[Billy the Great Khan]

What's wrong with a national ID card? It could carry all sorts of info like blood type and Social Security Number and be used like a bank card and....well, everything we carry cards for.

One person, one card. Change we can believe in.

You honestly don't see what's wrong with that?

 

[apple0154]

You honestly don't see what's wrong with that?

No. The government can find out anything it wants about someone. What difference does it make?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

No. The government can find out anything it wants about someone. What difference does it make?

And what happens when a mistake is made and suddenly, you no longer exist?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

No. The government can find out anything it wants about someone. What difference does it make?

No, the government really can't. Otherwise they wouldn't need it in the first place.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

ok....is the national ID card part of the framework? of course the answer is yes.

thus, the national ID card is promising as it is part of the framework. fact is nigel, he did not say one negative thing about the framework, called it a start, promising.... never mentioned anything that should be removed or was disturbing. yet, with the AZ law, he immediately stated it was wrong. it is the height of ignorance to suggest if obama thought the national ID card was wrong, that he wouldn't clearly state that as it is clearly one of the four prongs of the immigration plan. thats huge nigel, not a small thing.

your truly pathetic attempt to apologize for obama calling the national ID card promising is amusing....

Progressives = power and control.

 

[apple0154]

And what happens when a mistake is made and suddenly, you no longer exist?

Wasn't there a movie about that?

If a mistake is made it would be like losing ones ID. One simply applies for a replacement.

 

[apple0154]

No, the government really can't. Otherwise they wouldn't need it in the first place.

Sure they can. It just takes longer. They have to contact different agencies, dig up different records, etc. It's time to streamline the procedure.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Wasn't there a movie about that?

If a mistake is made it would be like losing ones ID. One simply applies for a replacement.

And in the time it takes for the new one to arrive, that is if you can prove that you even exist to get a new one??

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Sure they can. It just takes longer. They have to contact different agencies, dig up different records, etc. It's time to streamline the procedure.

No, once again they can't. Finger prints for example, are not collected until you do something that requires their collection.

And further more, why would you want to make this compulsory? Getting an ID is currently a choice and this is biometric id akin to the need for "papers".

 

[apple0154]

No, once again they can't. Finger prints for example, are not collected until you do something that requires their collection.

And further more, why would you want to make this compulsory? Getting an ID is currently a choice and this is biometric id akin to the need for "papers".

I wasn't taking about finger prints. Regular ID cards we all carry like Driver's Licenses and bank cards. They could have one with a person's photo and relevant info.

Again, what's wrong with "papers"? Every card we carry is a "paper". Driver's license, credit card, insurance card, SS number, who to contact in case of an emergency......

One card with all the info encrypted and each "category" requiring a password so, for example, when withdrawing money from a bank the bank can only read ones banking info.

The motor vehicle bureau could only read the info pertaining to motor vehicles.

Hospitals could only read medical info.

One card. Easy and practical.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

I wasn't taking about finger prints. Regular ID cards we all carry like Driver's Licenses and bank cards. They could have one with a person's photo and relevant info.

Again, what's wrong with "papers"? Every card we carry is a "paper". Driver's license, credit card, insurance card, SS number, who to contact in case of an emergency......

One card with all the info encrypted and each "category" requiring a password so, for example, when withdrawing money from a bank the bank can only read ones banking info.

The motor vehicle bureau could only read the info pertaining to motor vehicles.

Hospitals could only read medical info.

One card. Easy and practical.

Nice way to ignore the whole compulsory part.

 

[apple0154]

And in the time it takes for the new one to arrive, that is if you can prove that you even exist to get a new one??

It would be no different if stopped for a traffic violation. If one does not have a driver's license with them and no proper ID they have to go the Police Station and wait until they are identified.

If one loses their bank card they have to go to the bank and identify themselves.

I don't see any difference.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

And what happens when a mistake is made and suddenly, you no longer exist?

Hey, sometimes that might be a good thing.

 

[apple0154]

Nice way to ignore the whole compulsory part.

Very few people have no SS number or bank card or driver's license. What is the big deal about having to obtain an ID card as long as the government didn't charge a lot for it. Charge a nominal amount so people don't deliberately throw it away.

Perhaps financial institutions could incorporate their services with the card. For example, an American Express magnetic strip along with the magnetic strip showing your ID. The ID info would require a password so the bank/CC company could not read it.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Very few people have no SS number or bank card or driver's license. What is the big deal about having to obtain an ID card as long as the government didn't charge a lot for it

And making it compulsory is a terrible precedent to set, especially on the basis of "well most people have it anyways".

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Very few people have no SS number or bank card or driver's license. What is the big deal about having to obtain an ID card as long as the government didn't charge a lot for it. Charge a nominal amount so people don't deliberately throw it away.

Perhaps financial institutions could incorporate their services with the card. For example, an American Express magnetic strip along with the magnetic strip showing your ID. The ID info would require a password so the bank/CC company could not read it.

it's appalling that you actually think this is a good idea. tell me, would you want these compulsory total information biometric cards to be necessary with a conservative/republican supermajority in control of the government?

 

[cawacko]

it's appalling that you actually think this is a good idea. tell me, would you want these compulsory total information biometric cards to be necessary with a conservative/republican supermajority in control of the government?

He's Canadian, he has no problem giving over power to the government.

 

[apple0154]

And making it compulsory is a terrible precedent to set, especially on the basis of "well most people have it anyways".

What is your objection based on? Is it that citizens may be charged for a card?

 

[Canceled1]

it's appalling that you actually think this is a good idea. tell me, would you want these compulsory total information biometric cards to be necessary with a conservative/republican supermajority in control of the government?

He's already bent over in humble supplication. He's a Canuk!

 

[apple0154]

it's appalling that you actually think this is a good idea. tell me, would you want these compulsory total information biometric cards to be necessary with a conservative/republican supermajority in control of the government?

What difference does it make who is in government? The only info needed on the card would be info the government could get or demand anyway.

If one is arrested they have to give certain info. Name, date of birth, address, etc. What difference does it make if the info is on a card?