Senators push Obama for biometric national ID card

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Two U.S. senators met with President Obama on Thursday to push for a national ID card with biometric information such as a fingerprint, hand scan, or iris scan that all employers would be required to verify.

In an opinion article published in Friday's edition of the Washington Post, Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) say the new identification cards will "ensure that illegal workers cannot get jobs" and "dramatically decrease illegal immigration."

Schumer and Graham pitched the idea to President Obama during a private meeting Thursday at the White House. Graham said afterward that Obama "welcomed" their proposal for a new ID card law; the White House said in a statement that the senators' plan was "promising."


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20000758-38.html

lol....this is ok, but the AZ law is not

obama believes a national ID that shows citizenship or legality of immigration status is 'promising' but not AZ's law....
 
Yurt said:
Two U.S. senators met with President Obama on Thursday to push for a national ID card with biometric information such as a fingerprint, hand scan, or iris scan that all employers would be required to verify.

In an opinion article published in Friday's edition of the Washington Post, Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) say the new identification cards will "ensure that illegal workers cannot get jobs" and "dramatically decrease illegal immigration."

Schumer and Graham pitched the idea to President Obama during a private meeting Thursday at the White House. Graham said afterward that Obama "welcomed" their proposal for a new ID card law; the White House said in a statement that the senators' plan was "promising."


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20000758-38.html

lol....this is ok, but the AZ law is not

obama believes a national ID that shows citizenship or legality of immigration status is 'promising' but not AZ's law....
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Uh, the Schumer - Graham comprehensive immigration plan involves a bit more that their dumbass ID card proposal. Your suggestion that Obama thinks a national ID card is "promising" is false and misleading.

And, moreover, a national ID card is not the same as the Arizona law which is nothing more than an invitation to police harassment.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Uh, the Schumer - Graham comprehensive immigration plan involves a bit more that their dumbass ID card proposal. Your suggestion that Obama thinks a national ID card is "promising" is false and misleading.

And, moreover, a national ID card is not the same as the Arizona law which is nothing more than an invitation to police harassment.
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the article said it dumbass

the White House said in a statement that the senators' plan was "promising."
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does someone else speak for the WH? the national ID card would enable anyone to instantly check your immigration status, plus, if you didn't have one, guess what, you're here illegally unless you have visa papers to the contrary.
 
Yurt said:
the national ID card would enable anyone to instantly check your immigration status, plus, if you didn't have one, guess what, you're here illegally unless you have visa papers to the contrary.
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i'm gonna be an illegal alien?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJKmIP1SpGY[/ame]
 
Yurt said:
the article said it dumbass

does someone else speak for the WH? the national ID card would enable anyone to instantly check your immigration status, plus, if you didn't have one, guess what, you're here illegally unless you have visa papers to the contrary.
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No, it's didn't. Again, reading comprehension seems to be an issue for you.
 
NigelTufnel said:
No, it's didn't. Again, reading comprehension seems to be an issue for you.
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yes. it. did.

the WH said the senator's plan was promising....national ID card is part of the plan, a huge part of the plan....to deny this only shows how seriously incompetent or at best extremely partisan you are. you always cry reading comprehension, yet i always show you the facts and when you can't actually defend your POV, its always: yurt has reading comprehension issues....

its right in the article...here is another one:

Sens. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) announced the building blocks Thursday for a new push in Congress to overhaul the nation's immigration laws, outlining a plan to require U.S. citizens and legal immigrants to obtain a new high-tech Social Security card tied to their fingerprints or other biometric identifiers and to create a system to bring in temporary workers as the U.S. economy demands.

The immigration "blueprint," outlined in an opinion column posted on The Washington Post's Web site, drew an immediate vow of support from President Obama, who urged Congress "to act at the earliest possible opportunity."

"I . . . pledge to do everything in my power to forge a bipartisan consensus on this important issue so we can continue to move forward on comprehensive immigration reform," Obama said in a statement released by the White House. Obama congratulated Schumer and Graham on what he called "a promising, bipartisan framework which can and should be the basis for moving forward."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031803762_pf.html

obama doesn't say the ID plan is bad, he doesn't say anything negative about the bipartisan plan...he says "a promising....framework..."

how you can deny that is beyond ludicrous
 
An overall assessment of a multi-faceted proposal as "promising" is not an assessment of any particular facet of the proposal as "promising." It's quite simple, really. The framework is promising, not the specific proposal.

Thus, had you said "Obama thinks a plan including national ID is promising" instead of "Obama believes a national ID that shows citizenship or legality of immigration status is 'promising,'" your statement would have been accurate. But, you didn't. Hence, your statement was false and misleading.
 
NigelTufnel said:
An overall assessment of a multi-faceted proposal as "promising" is not an assessment of any particular facet of the proposal as "promising." It's quite simple, really. The framework is promising, not the specific proposal.

Thus, had you said "Obama thinks a plan including national ID is promising" instead of "Obama believes a national ID that shows citizenship or legality of immigration status is 'promising,'" your statement would have been accurate. But, you didn't. Hence, your statement was false and misleading.
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please tell me where he says the ID plan is not promising...if you can't, then you've just sunk yourself to a new low....accusing me of lying when you can 't actually find anywhere where obama has said he is against the national ID card....for such a large issue and one that, IMO, rings similar to AZ law, where obama immediately spoke out against it, it is illogical and should be downright false to claim that obama doesn't support it because he said he supports the framework instead of the specifics....obama never said which specifics of the AZ plan he didn't support, he said the law, eg, the framework of the plan.....

you simply have zero basis to conclude obama doesn't support it, he never said that and in fact all we have is he supports the framework, of which the national ID card is included....

it never ceases to amaze me what lengths you go to in order to defend the dems when clearly there is no defense and yet you will turn around and find fault with the gop for far less....
 
Yurt said:
please tell me where he says the ID plan is not promising...
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Look, you are the person that said this:

obama believes a national ID that shows citizenship or legality of immigration status is 'promising'
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Obama never said that. You should just admit that you were imprecise and move on, but that's apparently too difficult for you.

For those that are interested, here is Obama's statement in full:

In June, I met with members of both parties, and assigned Secretary Napolitano to work with them and key constituencies around the country to craft a comprehensive approach that will finally fix our broken immigration system. I am pleased to see that Senators Schumer and Graham have produced a promising, bipartisan framework which can and should be the basis for moving forward. It thoughtfully addresses the need to shore up our borders, and demands accountability from both workers who are here illegally and employers who game the system.

My Administration will be consulting further with the Senators on the details of their proposal, but a critical next step will be to translate their framework into a legislative proposal, and for Congress to act at the earliest possible opportunity.

I congratulate Senators Schumer and Graham for their leadership, and pledge to do everything in my power to forge a bipartisan consensus this year on this important issue so we can continue to move forward on comprehensive immigration reform.
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Yurt said:
did i stump nigel?
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No. You're just full of shit. You said "obama believes a national ID that shows citizenship or legality of immigration status is 'promising,'" which is false and misleading as I've ably demonstrated. I'm not inclined to discuss the issue with you any further.
 
NigelTufnel said:
No. You're just full of shit. You said "obama believes a national ID that shows citizenship or legality of immigration status is 'promising,'" which is false and misleading as I've ably demonstrated. I'm not inclined to discuss the issue with you any further.
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i knew my question was too much for you to handle, btw, you've demonstrated nothing, save for your vast ignorance and now dishonesty

is a national ID that shows immigration status part of the framework?

yes or no
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if you were honest, you would answer the question nigel....but you know you're wrong, you're just incapable of admitting it

:)
 
Yurt said:
i knew my question was too much for you to handle, btw, you've demonstrated nothing, save for your vast ignorance and now dishonesty



if you were honest, you would answer the question nigel....but you know you're wrong, you're just incapable of admitting it

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We all know the answer to the question. The question is irrelevant. You misspoke and instead of acknowledging that, you instead try to "prove" that you wrote something other than what you wrote.

I even quoted Obama's statement. He said the framework is promising, not that each and every facet of the framework is promising. If you want to pretend that those are one and the same, go right ahead, but it doesn't make it so.
 
NigelTufnel said:
We all know the answer to the question. The question is irrelevant. You misspoke and instead of acknowledging that, you instead try to "prove" that you wrote something other than what you wrote.

I even quoted Obama's statement. He said the framework is promising, not that each and every facet of the framework is promising. If you want to pretend that those are one and the same, go right ahead, but it doesn't make it so.
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ok....is the national ID card part of the framework? of course the answer is yes.

thus, the national ID card is promising as it is part of the framework. fact is nigel, he did not say one negative thing about the framework, called it a start, promising.... never mentioned anything that should be removed or was disturbing. yet, with the AZ law, he immediately stated it was wrong. it is the height of ignorance to suggest if obama thought the national ID card was wrong, that he wouldn't clearly state that as it is clearly one of the four prongs of the immigration plan. thats huge nigel, not a small thing.

your truly pathetic attempt to apologize for obama calling the national ID card promising is amusing....
 
Yurt said:
ok....is the national ID card part of the framework? of course the answer is yes.

thus, the national ID card is promising as it is part of the framework. fact is nigel, he did not say one negative thing about the framework, called it a start, promising.... never mentioned anything that should be removed or was disturbing. yet, with the AZ law, he immediately stated it was wrong. it is the height of ignorance to suggest if obama thought the national ID card was wrong, that he wouldn't clearly state that as it is clearly one of the four prongs of the immigration plan. thats huge nigel, not a small thing.

your truly pathetic attempt to apologize for obama calling the national ID card promising is amusing....
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You crack me up, man. You're such an ankle-biting tool.
 
of course we can't close the border. The only solution is we all must chipped by big brother.

Create problems, offer authoritarian solutions. that's what they do. fuckers.
 
AssHatZombie said:
of course we can't close the border. The only solution is we all must chipped by big brother.

Create problems, offer authoritarian solutions. that's what they do. fuckers.
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What's wrong with a national ID card? It could carry all sorts of info like blood type and Social Security Number and be used like a bank card and....well, everything we carry cards for.

One person, one card. Change we can believe in. :)
 
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