But same sex marriage would destroy the institution

I always find it fascinating how the "gay" civil rights issues eventually are equated with the Civil Rights movement of black folk.

Yes, civil rights of citizens is an equalizer...but gay folk are NOT a race of people. Period. FOR THE MOST PART, YOU CANNOT TELL A GAY PERSON FROM A STRAIGHT PERSON UNLESS THERE IS A PHSYICAL DISPLAY TO INDICATE SUCH.

Big freaking difference from a race of people who were enslaved, segregated and discriminated on sight.

how has slavery specifically effected you?
 
You made the following comment:
"Not the same thing. People were being denied the 'right' (I still don't agree it's a right) to marry someone based on the color of their skin, which was racial discrimination."
*I added the Bold print and such*

I rejected all of your options as un-needed. :palm:
But I can see why you have to stick to your archaic ideas and it's because you're scared. :good4u:
No need to be scared; because I doubt that anyone wants to have a same sex relationship with you. :cof1:

Uhm, what the fuck does the bolded part have to do with homosexuals? Are they a RACE of people being discriminated against because of the color of their skin?

You said: "I rejected all of your options as un-needed." What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't give any "options", I presented a solution to solve the problem and resolve this issue to the complete and total satisfaction of all involved parties interests. I did give you some options as to answers for why you don't want to accept my solution, since you seem to be having trouble answering my question!

And I am not the least bit "scared" ...what in the holy fuck do I have to be scared of? Angry gay people? Pinheads like you? .....LMFAO? I think YOU are scared to answer my damn question, because you continue to avoid it!
 
Uhm, what the fuck does the bolded part have to do with homosexuals? Are they a RACE of people being discriminated against because of the color of their skin?

You said: "I rejected all of your options as un-needed." What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't give any "options", I presented a solution to solve the problem and resolve this issue to the complete and total satisfaction of all involved parties interests. I did give you some options as to answers for why you don't want to accept my solution, since you seem to be having trouble answering my question!

And I am not the least bit "scared" ...what in the holy fuck do I have to be scared of? Angry gay people? Pinheads like you? .....LMFAO? I think YOU are scared to answer my damn question, because you continue to avoid it!


That's why I said I was glad to see you've finally accepted this as sex discrimination.

Just because I rejected all of your options, is no reason to hate.
You really should seek help, for your fears.
Maybe you could start by spending a little time in the same room with some homosexuals.
From there; you could move to talking, touching, and actually attempting to understand that which you fear.

Don't worry though; because I doubt that a homosexual would want to have a intimate relationship with you.
 
That's why I said I was glad to see you've finally accepted this as sex discrimination.

Just because I rejected all of your options, is no reason to hate.
You really should seek help, for your fears.
Maybe you could start by spending a little time in the same room with some homosexuals.
From there; you could move to talking, touching, and actually attempting to understand that which you fear.

Don't worry though; because I doubt that a homosexual would want to have a intimate relationship with you.

There is no discrimination NIMROD! You've not shown ANY discrimination! Gay people can go to any fucking courthouse in America and obtain a Marriage License, subject to the exact same conditions as you and I have... there is NO discrimination, in fact, they aren't even asked if they are homosexual!


I didn't GIVE ANY OPTIONS! What the fuck are you talking about? Show me what goddamn "OPTIONS" you are claiming you've rejected! What you have done is failed to answer my question again. Maybe YOU should try reading the fucking thread again, you goofy bitch!
 
There is no discrimination NIMROD! You've not shown ANY discrimination! Gay people can go to any fucking courthouse in America and obtain a Marriage License, subject to the exact same conditions as you and I have... there is NO discrimination, in fact, they aren't even asked if they are homosexual!


I didn't GIVE ANY OPTIONS! What the fuck are you talking about? Show me what goddamn "OPTIONS" you are claiming you've rejected! What you have done is failed to answer my question again. Maybe YOU should try reading the fucking thread again, you goofy bitch!

But they're still not allowed to marry the person they want to, so it's discrimination.

Since you're getting your panties all twisted, I'll recant what I suggested; because maybe there is a least one homosexual who might want to have an intimate relationship with you.
I didn't mean to make you feel unwanted.
 
Here dumbass, I'll post it again for ya...

My compromise solution which gives everyone what they claim to want, and solves all the problems:

1. Governments no longer issue "Marriage" licenses.
2. They are replaced with a Civil Union contract instead.
3. Churches can continue to "marry" whoever they please.
4. CU contracts would be between two consenting adults regardless of their relationship.
5. Tax breaks, insurance, and other benefits associated with "married" couples, would then apply to any couple with a CU contract.
6. Old "Marriage Licenses" would be recognized as a CU contract.

I will ask you once again... WHY are you opposed to doing THIS?



Now does ANYONE see any "options" there? Did I give "options" for this idiot to reject?

I gave a SOLUTION! Now, can you answer my question or not?
 
But they're still not allowed to marry the person they want to, so it's discrimination.

Since you're getting your panties all twisted, I'll recant what I suggested; because maybe there is a least one homosexual who might want to have an intimate relationship with you.
I didn't mean to make you feel unwanted.

Lots of people aren't allowed to marry the person they WANT to! It's NOT discrimination!

I'm not homosexual, and I don't want to have a homosexual relationship with anyone, but is is REVEALING that you somehow think that is an "insult" to throw out there. It really tells a lot about how you deep down view homosexuality, so should I take it, the reason you object to my proposal is, you don't want gays to have the benefits they seek because you really deep down, don't like gay people? That's what I am getting from your retorts.
 
Lots of people aren't allowed to marry the person they WANT to! It's NOT discrimination!

I'm not homosexual, and I don't want to have a homosexual relationship with anyone, but is is REVEALING that you somehow think that is an "insult" to throw out there. It really tells a lot about how you deep down view homosexuality, so should I take it, the reason you object to my proposal is, you don't want gays to have the benefits they seek because you really deep down, don't like gay people? That's what I am getting from your retorts.

Besides homosexuals, who else has the Government denied the ability to marry the person they want to??

Why do you think that a homosexual being interested in you, could be an insult??
Embrace your fear and confront it, it's the only way to become truly free.
 
Besides homosexuals, who else has the Government denied the ability to marry the person they want to??

Why do you think that a homosexual being interested in you, could be an insult??
Embrace your fear and confront it, it's the only way to become truly free.

I'm not afraid of homosexuals, if you read back a ways, I attended a gay wedding in 1985, of two very close personal friends. Honestly, I have more gay and bisexual friends than straight friends. So, I don't see where I have any "fear" of gay people. Is there something you've read into my comments that leads you to believe I am afraid of them, or what? I don't get that.

I've also had gay people be interested in me before, it didn't insult me, it kinda flattered me in a way, to be perfectly honest. It's always nice to think someone else finds you attractive, even if there is no physical interest.

Now... to your question (and this is the last question of yours I intend to answer, since you will not answer mine.)

Besides homosexuals, who else has the Government denied the ability to marry the person they want to??

ME! I want to marry my best friend, but she is already married. Poor discriminated against ME! huh?
 
I'm not afraid of homosexuals, if you read back a ways, I attended a gay wedding in 1985, of two very close personal friends. Honestly, I have more gay and bisexual friends than straight friends. So, I don't see where I have any "fear" of gay people. Is there something you've read into my comments that leads you to believe I am afraid of them, or what? I don't get that.

I've also had gay people be interested in me before, it didn't insult me, it kinda flattered me in a way, to be perfectly honest. It's always nice to think someone else finds you attractive, even if there is no physical interest.

Now... to your question (and this is the last question of yours I intend to answer, since you will not answer mine.)

Besides homosexuals, who else has the Government denied the ability to marry the person they want to??

ME! I want to marry my best friend, but she is already married. Poor discriminated against ME! huh?


Poor example; because you can marry her.
All she has to do is get a divorvce and marry you.
You suck; ergo: you fail. :palm:
 
Poor example; because you can marry her.
All she has to do is get a divorvce and marry you.
You suck; ergo: you fail. :palm:

Yeah, but you asked the question and I answered, and my answer is valid. Also, she may not want to marry me, and the government will not issue me a marriage license if she doesn't. I DON'T GET TO MARRY WHO I WANT TO!

The government will issue a marriage license to any couple who meets the criteria for the license... they have to be living... they have to not be married already... they have to be consenting and of legal age... and they have to be male and female... those are the criteria, and they never ask if you are gay or straight, they don't care, they won't discriminate!
 
Yeah, but you asked the question and I answered, and my answer is valid. Also, she may not want to marry me, and the government will not issue me a marriage license if she doesn't. I DON'T GET TO MARRY WHO I WANT TO!

The government will issue a marriage license to any couple who meets the criteria for the license... they have to be living... they have to not be married already... they have to be consenting and of legal age... and they have to be male and female... those are the criteria, and they never ask if you are gay or straight, they don't care, they won't discriminate!


If you had no clue that we were discussing the ability for two people who wanted to marry, to be allowed to marry, then the fault lies in your cognitive ability and is no fault of my own.
Unless you've been left with nothing else, but to play antics-with-semantics. :good4u:
 
If you had no clue that we were discussing the ability for two people who wanted to marry, to be allowed to marry, then the fault lies in your cognitive ability and is no fault of my own.
Unless you've been left with nothing else, but to play antics-with-semantics. :good4u:

Two people CAN marry if they meet the qualifications. There is nothing that disqualifies a homosexual from marrying another person who also meets the qualifications. I don't understand where the discrimination is, and you've not explained it. You keep saying they can't marry the same sex, but I can't marry the same sex either, it's not the criteria for marriage because marriage is the union of a man and woman.
 
Two people CAN marry if they meet the qualifications. There is nothing that disqualifies a homosexual from marrying another person who also meets the qualifications. I don't understand where the discrimination is, and you've not explained it. You keep saying they can't marry the same sex, but I can't marry the same sex either, it's not the criteria for marriage because marriage is the union of a man and woman.

And you need to get ready to accept the fact that just like it wasn't allowed to marry someone from another race, it's going to change and allow same sex couples to marry.
Then you'll be allowed to marry someone of the same sex, also.
As long as you're not allready married. :cof1:

Get used to it.
Why do you hate gays, so much?
 
And you need to get ready to accept the fact that just like it wasn't allowed to marry someone from another race, it's going to change and allow same sex couples to marry.
Then you'll be allowed to marry someone of the same sex, also.
As long as you're not allready married. :cof1:

Get used to it.
Why do you hate gays, so much?

I don't hate gays, I want them to have the same benefits and perks of married couples. You are preventing that by not accepting my solution. It is YOU who hates gays, apparently. So... you need to get ready to accept an amendment to the Constitution which defines marriage as being between a man and woman, and then maybe we can move forward. It's a shame we have to amend the Constitution to deal with your bigotry, but it's not like we haven't done it before.
 
I don't hate gays, I want them to have the same benefits and perks of married couples. You are preventing that by not accepting my solution. It is YOU who hates gays, apparently. So... you need to get ready to accept an amendment to the Constitution which defines marriage as being between a man and woman, and then maybe we can move forward. It's a shame we have to amend the Constitution to deal with your bigotry, but it's not like we haven't done it before.

But you do hate gays; because you don't want to allow them to be married, under the same onus that straights are allowed to.

There is no need to amend the Constitution, except to define marriage as being between two consenting adults.

Please get rid of you prejudices and biggotry and try to see those that are differnt then you, in a new light.

Stop being so scared. :good4u:
 
But you do hate gays; because you don't want to allow them to be married, under the same onus that straights are allowed to.

There is no need to amend the Constitution, except to define marriage as being between two consenting adults.

Please get rid of you prejudices and biggotry and try to see those that are differnt then you, in a new light.

Stop being so scared. :good4u:

I don't care WHO get's married! Gay... straight... makes no difference to me whatsoever! If a gay man finds a nice girl he wants to marry, I am all for that! If a gay chick meets a nice fella... same deal! They can get married just like the rest of us, or "under the same onus" as the rest of us, and I have never advocated against that. Marriage is the union of a man and woman, that's just what it is, sorry! I don't want to change the definition of marriage to conform to someone's sexual behavior, and I think about 75% of America agrees with me, which should be enough to get a Constitutional amendment establishing marriage as between a man and woman.

Again... I offered a solution that would give gay couples every single right of a traditional married couple, and would take the issue off the table completely, but YOU are the one who refuses to even answer as to why you won't accept it. Apparently, you don't want to allow gay couples these benefits, that's the conclusion I am coming to. YOU are the bigot!
 
I don't care WHO get's married! Gay... straight... makes no difference to me whatsoever! If a gay man finds a nice girl he wants to marry, I am all for that! If a gay chick meets a nice fella... same deal! They can get married just like the rest of us, or "under the same onus" as the rest of us, and I have never advocated against that. Marriage is the union of a man and woman, that's just what it is, sorry! I don't want to change the definition of marriage to conform to someone's sexual behavior, and I think about 75% of America agrees with me, which should be enough to get a Constitutional amendment establishing marriage as between a man and woman.

Again... I offered a solution that would give gay couples every single right of a traditional married couple, and would take the issue off the table completely, but YOU are the one who refuses to even answer as to why you won't accept it. Apparently, you don't want to allow gay couples these benefits, that's the conclusion I am coming to. YOU are the bigot!


And they should also be able to marry someone of the same sex, if they so choose.
Unless you have something to support your "75%";, then all it is, is an opinion and a feeling.

Just because I didn't give you an answer you can deal with, doesn't mean that I didn't answer your question.

You need to stop with your biggotry and accept the fact that gays are going to be allowed to have same sex marriages, whether you like it or not.

Stop hating gays and being so scared.
 
And they should also be able to marry someone of the same sex, if they so choose.
Unless you have something to support your "75%";, then all it is, is an opinion and a feeling.

Just because I didn't give you an answer you can deal with, doesn't mean that I didn't answer your question.

You need to stop with your biggotry and accept the fact that gays are going to be allowed to have same sex marriages, whether you like it or not.

Stop hating gays and being so scared.

You haven't answered my question, you continue to argue and avoid it. You continue to insist I am advocating something I haven't. You simply don't get to "choose" the criteria of what qualifies as marriage. No one does! EVER! Marriage is the union of a man and woman, that's the criteria that has to be met to call it marriage, anything else is not marriage.

I don't have to prove the 75% number, but think about it... in the most liberal of states, 70% of the voters REJECT gay marriage, over and over... 71 times and counting! I think it's relatively safe to conclude, red state America is much higher than 70%, maybe as high as 90% in some areas. So, yes.. A Constitutional amendment is a very real possibility, and will likely happen if we continue to see this issue not resolved. Now, I presented a resolution, I gave you a viable and reasonable solution, but for some odd reason, you've yammered on for another page without answering as to why you are opposed to my suggestion... so, we'll just pass the amendment, and then maybe we can have some kind of reform. Bottom line, you are not going to ever get what you want here, it ain't going to happen. If we have to pass a Constitutional amendment to eventually get you to see the light, then so be it, we can certainly do that. It's a shame we have to drag you kicking and screaming to the 21st century, but I guess it's always been like that for some.
 
Again, for those who may have lost my proposal amidst all the yammering back and forth...

My compromise solution which gives everyone what they claim to want, and solves all the problems:

1. Governments no longer issue "Marriage" licenses.
2. They are replaced with a Civil Union contract instead.
3. Churches can continue to "marry" whoever they please.
4. CU contracts would be between two consenting adults regardless of their relationship.
5. Tax breaks, insurance, and other benefits associated with "married" couples, would then apply to any couple with a CU contract.
6. Old "Marriage Licenses" would be recognized as a CU contract.

This solution removes any issue of sexuality, and any issue of religious beliefs. It puts the issue of "gay marriage" to rest forever, and removes our government from the sanctioning of a religious tradition and custom or basing laws on sexual behaviors. There is no 'slippery slope' and there is no 'discrimination' and everyone is happy! Problem Solved!

WHY are you opposed to doing THIS?
 
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