national day of prayer

Don Quixote

Don Quixote

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a federal judge has ruled that the national day of prayer is unconstitutional :cool:

it is about time such things are eliminated

unfortunately, bho has decided to make the proclamation anyway

i guess that it will have to wend its way through the courts until scotus rules on
 
Let us Prey?

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More attempts to eliminate the US's acknowledgment of a Supreme Being that most refer to as "God." We know the founders never intended to acknowledge such:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed….."

And people wonder why Christians are so defensive.
 
leaningright said:
More attempts to eliminate the US's acknowledgment of a Supreme Being that most refer to as "God." We know the founders never intended to acknowledge such:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed….."

And people wonder why Christians are so defensive.
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Actually, it is just a recognition that the government should neither be in the business of promoting religion or of denigrating religion. If Christians want to pray, they should feel free to do so. No one is stopping them. I don't see what there is to be defensive about.

What purpose does a "National Day of Prayer" serve? None as near as I can tell.
 
leaningright said:
More attempts to eliminate the US's acknowledgment of a Supreme Being that most refer to as "God." We know the founders never intended to acknowledge such:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed….."

And people wonder why Christians are so defensive.
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From the guy that wrote those words...

Fasting and prayer are religious exercises; the enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the time for these exercises, and the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and right can never be safer than in their hands, where the Constitution has deposited it. - Letter to Rev. Samuel Miller
 
NigelTufnel said:
Actually, it is just a recognition that the government should neither be in the business of promoting religion or of denigrating religion. If Christians want to pray, they should feel free to do so. No one is stopping them. I don't see what there is to be defensive about.

What purpose does a "National Day of Prayer" serve? None as near as I can tell.
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One question....Are you a religious person?
 
RStringfield said:
From the guy that wrote those words...

Fasting and prayer are religious exercises; the enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the time for these exercises, and the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and right can never be safer than in their hands, where the Constitution has deposited it. - Letter to Rev. Samuel Miller
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Who signed the article where those words were written? Why did they sign it? And the quote that you post is indeed pointing to the freedom of religion that our constitution guarantees, but it in no way says the government can't/shouldn't acknowledge a national day of prayer.
 
NigelTufnel said:
No. And I'm not "spiritual" either.
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Thanks for the honesty. I can always count on that from you. And I can see where you would question the "purpose" of a national day of prayer.

To many religious folks it is a very good thing....and not all of them will pray to the diety that the majority of this nation calls "God" on that day. Since our founders most certainly ancknowledged a "Creator" and the theme runs though the early documents...I still can find no unconstitutionality (is that a word? :)) for a national day of prayer.
 
leaningright said:
Who signed the article where those words were written? Why did they sign it? And the quote that you post is indeed pointing to the freedom of religion that our constitution guarantees, but it in no way says the government can't/shouldn't acknowledge a national day of prayer.
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It does argue that the government should not acknowledge a national day of prayer. Pretending it does not is pointless. Meanwhile, your quote from the DofI does not even recognize a conscious deity, much less say anything about a National Day of Prayer.
 
So my question is this, if we need some sort of national day of prayer, wtf goes on Sunday mornings all over this country in churches? Every Sunday is a national day of prayer.
 
Every day for the Christian (and those of some other religions) is a day of prayer....or should be. That's not the point of my comments on this thread.

My initial comment on the desire of some to force the government to .... I'll put it this way this time .... to unrecognize the Creator or anything connected to Him is why many Christians feel so threatend nowadays....and become defensive.

I honestly could care less about a national day of prayer as I take care of that on my own, as does Obama from what I've heard.

"Prayer is something the president does every day," said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, adding that Obama would sign a proclamation to recognize the day. ... "That's the way the president will publicly observe the national prayer day. But as I said, privately, he'll pray just as he does every day."
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So in summation, :) I understand the defensiveness of the Christians when something like this happens and I can see nothing unconstitutional about it.
 
RStringfield said:
It does argue that the government should not acknowledge a national day of prayer. Pretending it does not is pointless. Meanwhile, your quote from the DofI does not even recognize a conscious deity, much less say anything about a National Day of Prayer.
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Sorry, but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government is forbidden from acknowledging prayer. The ONLY parameter is, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Prayer is NOT Religion, and the government is not establishing a religion.

Now, since our very FOUNDING is on the basis of the belief that we are "endowed by our Creator" (note capitalization), it is patently stupid to assert that our government doesn't acknowledge existence of a deity. If that is the case, we effectively have no foundational belief for our nation, and everything it is based upon is a false premise. The entire Constitution becomes null and void, because it is based on a false premise. All of our 'rights' and 'freedoms' are null and void, because they are baseless.
 
Dixie said:
Sorry, but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government is forbidden from acknowledging prayer. The ONLY parameter is, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Prayer is NOT Religion, and the government is not establishing a religion.

Now, since our very FOUNDING is on the basis of the belief that we are "endowed by our Creator" (note capitalization), it is patently stupid to assert that our government doesn't acknowledge existence of a deity. If that is the case, we effectively have no foundational belief for our nation, and everything it is based upon is a false premise. The entire Constitution becomes null and void, because it is based on a false premise. All of our 'rights' and 'freedoms' are null and void, because they are baseless.
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Prayer is the exercise of religion. It is a petition to a deity. It is religion and has no secular purpose whatsoever.

And by the way, for someone that talks about the Constitution all of the time, your understanding of it is seriously fucked.
 
Dixie said:
Sorry, but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government is forbidden from acknowledging prayer. The ONLY parameter is, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Prayer is NOT Religion, and the government is not establishing a religion.

Now, since our very FOUNDING is on the basis of the belief that we are "endowed by our Creator" (note capitalization), it is patently stupid to assert that our government doesn't acknowledge existence of a deity. If that is the case, we effectively have no foundational belief for our nation, and everything it is based upon is a false premise. The entire Constitution becomes null and void, because it is based on a false premise. All of our 'rights' and 'freedoms' are null and void, because they are baseless.
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It does not recognize a conscious deity. Creator can be the laws of nature or nature's God as is stated in the DofI.

Your concept of rights and freedoms ARE baseless.
 
RStringfield said:
It does not recognize a conscious deity. Creator can be the laws of nature or nature's God as is stated in the DofI.
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This is the second time you have come up with this...which is essentially the same thing desh came up with right off the bat. I must respond in about the same way, based on the early documents in our nation's history:

The Creator of the Dofi....laws of nature, etc. I'm sure that's what they were talking about. :rolleyes:
 
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