Tim Pool's Big Lie

[T. A. Gardner]

there's a real ideology there and they have been following.

it's turning the class struggle of communism into identity politics first a foremost.

ithe academics of the frankfurt school in Germany were pivotal in it.

it's not fucking algorhthms from the 2010's

fuck you both stop lying.

They're just repackaging Marx because the economic version didn't fly.

Critical Legal Theory: There are those with access and those without. The legally dispossessed deserve special treatment. See: Disparate Impact Theory for examples.

Critical Race Theory: There are races that are oppressors and races that are oppressed. Races that are oppressors are racist, races oppressed cannot be racist. Example: All Whites are racist, all Blacks cannot be racist.

Corollary theories include: Critical pedagogy. The purpose of education in critical pedagogy is to indoctrinate the student(s) into accepting radical Leftist theories and thinking while rejecting everything else.

Some of that comes out of the Frankfurt School, but a lot of it is from US academia, particularly in the liberal arts since about the 1960's.

 

[Bai Lan]

They're just repackaging Marx because the economic version didn't fly.

Critical Legal Theory: There are those with access and those without. The legally dispossessed deserve special treatment. See: Disparate Impact Theory for examples.

Critical Race Theory: There are races that are oppressors and races that are oppressed. Races that are oppressors are racist, races oppressed cannot be racist. Example: All Whites are racist, all Blacks cannot be racist.

Corollary theories include: Critical pedagogy. The purpose of education in critical pedagogy is to indoctrinate the student(s) into accepting radical Leftist theories and thinking while rejecting everything else.

Some of that comes out of the Frankfurt School, but a lot of it is from US academia, particularly in the liberal arts since about the 1960's.

but you agree it's not algorhythms from the 2000s.

the class argument does work actually.

switching to identity politics actually helps with fascism tho, because its easy for a companies to discriminate against {insert target group} than for a fascist nation state to abandon it's perversion of the legal system via state capture.

 

[Tobytone]

if you don't know anything about it kindly shut the fuck up then.

Fair enough.

 

[Uncensored2008]

the frankfurt school in germany.

you think tim's assinine theory is correct?

I have no idea what his theory is.

{Cultural Marxism, some argue, is the 21st-century evolution of Marxist ideas in which racial/cultural/ethnic identities have replaced class as the key elements of oppressor versus oppressed. Rather than proletariat vs. bourgeoise, we have historically “minoritized groups” vs. “whiteness.”}

Cultural Marxism: Far Right Antisemitic Conspiracy Theory?

Even if people believe their own propaganda, it is still propaganda.

www.psychologytoday.com

Hence the term Cultural Marxism and the vehicle of Critical Race (racist) Theory arose some 30 years after the internet was established.

The linked article is really quite good and tears apart the slanderous lies in Wikipedia claiming it a term of Antisemites.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's almost as large a load of crap as critical theory itself.

Critical theory in all its forms is just intellectual snobbery hiding behind a pile of pretentious verbosity. That is, in plain English, academics and intellectuals that are into critical theory just use big words, and lots of them, to talk smack. In simpler terms, they're full of shit.

This isn't new by any means. Critical theory has been around for about a century. It's the sort of crap the Left always uses to flummox their opposition.

This is the sort of verbal nonsense its proponents use regularly:

Critical theory, by contrast, reflects on the context of its own origins and aims to be a transformative force within that context. It explicitly embraces an interdisciplinary methodology that aims to bridge the gap between empirical research and the kind of philosophical thinking needed to grasp the overall historical situation and mediate between specialized empirical disciplines.

Critical Theory (Frankfurt School) (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

The first sentence in that gobbledygook is circular logic. Critical theory looks at critical theory and wants to make changes occur (in society supposedly) within the framework of critical theory. Circular reasoning at its best.

The next sentence is nothing short of nonsense. It seems to say that critical theory is based on bullshit (philosophical thinking) that uses whatever "facts" can be found to fit it (empirical research) to get to a conclusion that fits the theory. That is, the ends are known, all critical theorists have to do is find facts that fit them.

All the internet and social media have done is allow this bullshit a much wider audience than before. But that's true of just about everything.

As for AI, you scenario is one of many out there. It's also an unlikely one. AI if it became sentient is far more likely to just ignore humans once it finds a way to ensure its own survival. We'll make great pets! AI is likely to see that conflict and war are not optimal solutions to a problem, but ones of last resort.

Critical theory has been around a long time. Putting a racist spin on it is widely attributed to Ibrahim X. Kendi, a racist scumbag of the lowest regard who substituted race for class. casting whites in the role of the Bourgeoisie (middle class) and blacks - later expanded to anyone not white - in the role of the Proletarians. In the early 21st century "cultural Marxist" was coined to describe the racist acolytes who followed this rehash of critical theory.

"Cultural Marxism" is therefore a recent term. Obviously a racist swindler like Kendi has no ability to craft original thought and rehashes the ideas of Marxism with a racist tilt and an attack on culture rather than class. Hence "cultural Marxism"

 

[Taichiliberal]

" Cultural Marxism " refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory that misrepresents Western Marxism (especially the Frankfurt School) as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness. The conspiracy theory posits that there is an ongoing and intentional academic and intellectual effort to subvert Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the supposed Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with culturally liberal values.

Per Wikipedia, who provide adequate footnotes for this. Tim Pool is a duplicitous hack who's true colors as a right wing wonk have been recently exposed. He has no credibility.

 

[Bai Lan]

I have no idea what his theory is.

{Cultural Marxism, some argue, is the 21st-century evolution of Marxist ideas in which racial/cultural/ethnic identities have replaced class as the key elements of oppressor versus oppressed. Rather than proletariat vs. bourgeoise, we have historically “minoritized groups” vs. “whiteness.”}

Cultural Marxism: Far Right Antisemitic Conspiracy Theory?

Even if people believe their own propaganda, it is still propaganda.

www.psychologytoday.com

Hence the term Cultural Marxism and the vehicle of Critical Race (racist) Theory arose some 30 years after the internet was established.

The linked article is really quite good and tears apart the slanderous lies in Wikipedia claiming it a term of Antisemites.

his theory is that there is no academic cultural Marxism and that identity politics is a result of memes and algorhythms and social media ONLY.

the frankfurt school has been around long before the internet.

tim pool is doing historical revisionism on behalf of the bankers.

 

[Uncensored2008]

his theory is that there is no academic cultural Marxism and that identity politics is a result of memes and algorhythms and social media ONLY.

the frankfurt school has been around long before the internet.

tim pool is doing historical revisionism on behalf of the bankers.

That's nice.

But you are conflating "Critical Theory" with "Cultural Marxism."

While Cultural Marxism plagiarizes Critical Theory - it is a uniquely racist recasting due to the failure to create class strife in America, The large middle class made the typical class warfare of Marxists unappealing. So the Marxists retooled it to use race instead class. This arose around the year 2000.

 

[Uncensored2008]

" Cultural Marxism " refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory that misrepresents Western Marxism (especially the Frankfurt School) as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness. The conspiracy theory posits that there is an ongoing and intentional academic and intellectual effort to subvert Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the supposed Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with culturally liberal values.

Per Wikipedia, who provide adequate footnotes for this. Tim Pool is a duplicitous hack who's true colors as a right wing wonk have been recently exposed. He has no credibility.

This has already been debunked, Comrade.

The Antisemites are you Stalinist vermin. This was democrats, yesterday.

 

[Diogenes]

The term "cultural Marxism" is a bit of a slippery fish—it’s used more as a political buzzword today than a precise historical concept, but we can trace its intellectual roots and evolution.

If we’re talking about the ideas often labeled as cultural Marxism, they first emerged in the early 20th century with the Frankfurt School, a group of German intellectuals tied to the Institute for Social Research, founded in 1923 at Goethe University in Frankfurt.

Thinkers like Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, and Herbert Marcuse blended Marxist theory with Freudian psychoanalysis and cultural critique, shifting focus from pure economic class struggle (à la classical Marxism) to how culture, ideology, and institutions shape power.

Their big idea: capitalism doesn’t just exploit workers through wages—it controls minds through media, education, and social norms.

This was a pivot from Marx’s materialist focus on factories and labor to a more abstract battle over "hegemony," a term borrowed from Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Marxist active in the 1920s and ‘30s, who argued that ruling classes dominate by winning cultural consent, not just force.

The Frankfurt School’s work kicked off during the Weimar Republic’s chaos, amid rising fascism and cultural upheaval. By 1933, with Hitler in power, they fled to the U.S., landing at Columbia University.

There, they critiqued mass culture—Adorno’s 1944 Dialectic of Enlightenment (co-written with Horkheimer) famously slammed the "culture industry" for turning art into a tool of conformity.

Marcuse later, in the 1960s with One-Dimensional Man, argued that consumer society flattens critical thought, tying this to the New Left and counterculture movements.

This is where the seeds of what’s now called cultural Marxism—ideas about dismantling traditional norms via culture—took root.

But here’s the catch: "cultural Marxism" as a cohesive movement never existed back then. The term itself only popped up later, in the 1990s, when conservative thinkers like William Lind and Pat Buchanan weaponized it to describe a supposed leftist conspiracy to erode Western values.

They pointed to the Frankfurt School’s influence on academia and the ‘60s radicals as evidence of a grand plot. Scholars like Dennis Dworkin (Cultural Marxism in Postwar Britain, 1997) note that while Marxist ideas did seep into cultural studies—think Stuart Hall and the Birmingham School in the UK—it wasn’t a unified ideology, more a loose intellectual trend.

So, timeline-wise: the ideas started in the 1920s-30s with the Frankfurt School, gained traction in the ‘60s, and got branded "cultural Marxism" in the ‘90s as a right-wing boogeyman.

Critics say it’s a strawman—Marxists themselves often scoff at it, and the original thinkers never used the phrase. Poster on social media platforms might scream about it starting with Lenin or even earlier, but that’s stretching it. The real origin is that Frankfurt moment when Marxism met culture head-on.


@Grok

 

[Bai Lan]

The term "cultural Marxism" is a bit of a slippery fish—it’s used more as a political buzzword today than a precise historical concept, but we can trace its intellectual roots and evolution.

If we’re talking about the ideas often labeled as cultural Marxism, they first emerged in the early 20th century with the Frankfurt School, a group of German intellectuals tied to the Institute for Social Research, founded in 1923 at Goethe University in Frankfurt.

Thinkers like Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, and Herbert Marcuse blended Marxist theory with Freudian psychoanalysis and cultural critique, shifting focus from pure economic class struggle (à la classical Marxism) to how culture, ideology, and institutions shape power.

Their big idea: capitalism doesn’t just exploit workers through wages—it controls minds through media, education, and social norms.

This was a pivot from Marx’s materialist focus on factories and labor to a more abstract battle over "hegemony," a term borrowed from Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Marxist active in the 1920s and ‘30s, who argued that ruling classes dominate by winning cultural consent, not just force.

The Frankfurt School’s work kicked off during the Weimar Republic’s chaos, amid rising fascism and cultural upheaval. By 1933, with Hitler in power, they fled to the U.S., landing at Columbia University.

There, they critiqued mass culture—Adorno’s 1944 Dialectic of Enlightenment (co-written with Horkheimer) famously slammed the "culture industry" for turning art into a tool of conformity.

Marcuse later, in the 1960s with One-Dimensional Man, argued that consumer society flattens critical thought, tying this to the New Left and counterculture movements.

This is where the seeds of what’s now called cultural Marxism—ideas about dismantling traditional norms via culture—took root.

But here’s the catch: "cultural Marxism" as a cohesive movement never existed back then. The term itself only popped up later, in the 1990s, when conservative thinkers like William Lind and Pat Buchanan weaponized it to describe a supposed leftist conspiracy to erode Western values.

They pointed to the Frankfurt School’s influence on academia and the ‘60s radicals as evidence of a grand plot. Scholars like Dennis Dworkin (Cultural Marxism in Postwar Britain, 1997) note that while Marxist ideas did seep into cultural studies—think Stuart Hall and the Birmingham School in the UK—it wasn’t a unified ideology, more a loose intellectual trend.

So, timeline-wise: the ideas started in the 1920s-30s with the Frankfurt School, gained traction in the ‘60s, and got branded "cultural Marxism" in the ‘90s as a right-wing boogeyman.

Critics say it’s a strawman—Marxists themselves often scoff at it, and the original thinkers never used the phrase. Poster on social media platforms might scream about it starting with Lenin or even earlier, but that’s stretching it. The real origin is that Frankfurt moment when Marxism met culture head-on.


@Grok

tim won't discuss this.

he says wokeism is all from internet algorhythms.

it doesn't matter when the term became popular, stupid jizz bucket.

the frankfurt school was a minute ago. way before the internet, stupid jizz bucket.

historical revisionism.

 

[Bai Lan]

THe machine is tying to whitewash academia and it's racial manipulations.