Sarah Palin's 'Christian Nation' Remarks Spark Debate

wanderingbear

wanderingbear

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-sparks-church-state-separation-debate/story?id=10419289

Is America a Christian nation?

Sarah Palin said on Friday that it's "mind-boggling" to suggest otherwise.
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This seems to be the attitude of most right-wingers. This attitude needs to change. Christians need to see that this is a Nation of "all Faiths" evan the right not to have any religious beliefs at all. America is suppose to be for EVERBODY not just for certain people. Religious totalitarianism is an anathema
to the freedom that America is suppose to have.
 
Some of us like to cherry pick some signers of the D of I and Authors of the Constitution to prove we are not a Christian nation, (siting the Treaty or Tripoli etc.) but for the not so narrow minded, it easy to see \by our very laws and the social environment surrounding our nation from its inception that we are a Christian nation....founded on the Jewish/Christian ethics and social beliefs at the time....certainly we are a religious nation if not especially Christian....
In that regard, Palin is correct.
 
wanderingbear said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-sparks-church-state-separation-debate/story?id=10419289



This seems to be the attitude of most right-wingers. This attitude needs to change. Christians need to see that this is a Nation of "all Faiths" evan the right not to have any religious beliefs at all. America is suppose to be for EVERBODY not just for certain people. Religious totalitarianism is an anathema
to the freedom that America is suppose to have.
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We are a nation with a secular government founded by Christians and therefore tolerant of all faiths and denominations who thrive here.
 
Southern Man said:
We are a nation with a secular government founded by Christians and therefore tolerant of all faiths and denominations who thrive here.
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That works fine. But the gov't itself does not follw any faith or religion. Religions (with very few exceptions) tend to declare that their faith is the only true faith.
 
Southern Man said:
Stalker.
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Aww, is that the best response you have now? I am sure you would prefer that I not contradict what you say. And I am even more sure you don't want to debate me.

But I post on threads that are of interest to me. If you don't like that....well.....I guess you are shit outta luck.



I see that you don't want to discuss the topic.
 
The name "Christian" has been hijacked. We have been called a "Christian" nation because the majority of the people in this country claim Christianity...but we have never been a "Christian" nation. Our founders definitely, overall, gave credence to Christian principles and it can be seen in many of those early documents and in many things around Washington D.C., but we have never been a "Christian" nation. While I agree with Sarah Palin on moral/social issues, I wholeheartedly disagree with her on this characterization of the U.S.
 
We are a Christian Nation in that the majority of the nation are Christians, we are not a "Christian Government" though, nor do we have some official religion.

Being part of the minority there is nothing worse than listening to a Christian whine about their "persecution" in a nation that you can't hardly throw a rock without breaking some stained glass somewhere.
 
In some respects, we are, though overall, America is essentially a secular nation.

I don't think it's a good idea for a politician to keep asserting this. Religion is basically a private matter, and if anything, we're defined by our freedoms & by respecting that privacy. We also have a fine tradition of separating church & state, and when a politician speaks in a political environment, they are representing the state.
 
Damocles said:
We are a Christian Nation in that the majority of the nation are Christians, we are not a "Christian Government" though, nor do we have some official religion.

Being part of the minority there is nothing worse than listening to a Christian whine about their "persecution" in a nation that you can't hardly throw a rock without breaking some stained glass somewhere.
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This!

It depends on what you mean by Christian Nation. In the way that other nations have a "national religen" like England, we are NOT a Christian nation. In the sense that the majority of Americans who subscribe to a religen are Christian, I guess we are a Christian nation.
 
We are not a Christian nation in the way that the Vatican is a Catholic nation!
 
Damocles said:
We are a Christian Nation in that the majority of the nation are Christians, we are not a "Christian Government" though, nor do we have some official religion.

Being part of the minority there is nothing worse than listening to a Christian whine about their "persecution" in a nation that you can't hardly throw a rock without breaking some stained glass somewhere.
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What they don't like and are seeing happening is that what is considered immoral behavior (abortion, homosexuality, adultery, drug use, etc.) legalized or at least punished less than it used to be. They see that as an assault on the values they have and that their country used to support via certain laws on the books. Ain't that way no more and they feel persecuted. I'm not with 'em so much but I can understand 'em.
 
leaningright said:
What they don't like and are seeing happening is that what is considered immoral behavior (abortion, homosexuality, adultery, drug use, etc.) legalized or at least punished less than it used to be. They see that as an assault on the values they have and that their country used to support via certain laws on the books. Ain't that way no more and they feel persecuted. I'm not with 'em so much but I can understand 'em.
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Do they belive that just because they belive something is immoral behavior it should be illegal?

Not being a good father is immoral, should it be illegal? Many belive that spanking your children is immoral, should it be illegal? I belive that using guilt to encourage donations to a church is immoral, should it be illegal?
 
For Palin or anyone else to assert this in a political setting only serves 2 purposes: one is to advance an ideological agenda using Christianity as a means. The second is to make a person of any other faith basically feel like a minority & even unwelcome.

It isn't cool. Palin is kind of a menace these days; she says stuff to please the crowd, but it echoes beyond that crowd...
 
leaningright said:
The name "Christian" has been hijacked. We have been called a "Christian" nation because the majority of the people in this country claim Christianity...but we have never been a "Christian" nation. Our founders definitely, overall, gave credence to Christian principles and it can be seen in many of those early documents and in many things around Washington D.C., but we have never been a "Christian" nation. While I agree with Sarah Palin on moral/social issues, I wholeheartedly disagree with her on this characterization of the U.S.
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QFT
 
Its just a buzz phrase to whip up the Religous Right into more ferverant support of her. It only serves to make her base more secure, yet smaller.

She continues to strengthen the support she gets from the whacko 20% while alienating the middle.

If she is smart, its because she knows she will not ever run for office, but wants to shore up a position in the limelight as a champion of this whacko minority.

If she is dumb, she belives this behavyor is getting her somewhere, with the populace. It might help her to get the Republican nomination, but she will never win a general.
 
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