Nantucket Sound wind farm

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Chapdog

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Front page of CNN today was the argument in regards to putting the first offshore windfarm in Nantucket Sound. As a resident of the area im curious what everyone thinks of this after reading the article. Personally as someone who grew up on the cape and islands I think it will be sad to see the waterway turned into an industrial park but im torn as a big advocate of green energy as well as energy independence. I think my biggest concern is why here first? If yet again MA is going to be at the forefront of a revolution as she always seems to be then Im ok with it. BUT that being said I would be very saddened if this doesn't result in other projects and is being pushed more as a fuck you liberal ma statement. One other note I want to make is Nantucket Sound is a national treasure for those of you who have not been to this area of our country. I personally feel that if we are going to go foward with this then all bets are off in the rest of the country... and yes that even means drilling in ANWR and other national treasures.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/20/cape.cod.wind.farm/index.html?hpt=C1
 
The only opposition I can't dispute is the tribal rights; that's something I can't relate to and can't understand the depth of, and something I would hate to interfere with.

However, what people have to consider is that opposition to wind farms ultimately harms the ocean as a whole, because it means more fossil fuels. Or, if they favor nukes, it means nuke waste.

Personally, I never see wind farms as a "blight" on the landscape. I think they look cool.
 
Chapdog said:
... I think it will be sad to see the waterway turned into an industrial park...
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard that these things would be so far off shore as to appear about the height of a postage stamp on the horizon. There is a wind farm in West Virgina in site of the peak of Timberline ski area and on a clear day there's always a few skiers stopped up there trying to count them all. These are hardly corrugated steel factory buildings, rail yards and parking lots that you are trying to depict by your use of the term "industrial park".
 
Chapdog said:
view wise i dont think will be major impact. Yes very visible but dont think that matters much. Id be more concerned with the size of the area within the sound. What sort of effect will that have on the tide as in are we going to be having a bunch of dead birds and other crap washing ashore. Also how its going to affect the waterways. its a heavily traveled area

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/01/05/us/05wind_map/articleInline.jpg
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You should build another nuke plant then. That wouldn't have any of those impacts.
 
I just wonder why they feel the need to place it amongst some of the most iconic places rather than rent land out here where farmers would be happy to let them place them...
 
Damocles said:
I just wonder why they feel the need to place it amongst some of the most iconic places rather than rent land out here where farmers would be happy to let them place them...
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Because that's where the power is used, not in Buttfuck, Kansas.
 
BTW - It's just a curiosity, not antipathy. I personally believe that it is a National Security Imperative to get off the foreign oil teat, however it isn't going to happen through wind energy.

Imagine if they suggesting putting them up in Yellowstone, or right in front of Mount Rushmore...

I just can't see why they pick this place over the myriad of places that people would be happy to see them.
 
Damocles said:
Power can travel over these things called "wire", it is often sold over state lines and can be passed through grids to wherever it is needed.
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Power loss over long lines is a well established fact of physics that even Obama can't make go away. T. Boone Pickens found that out the hard way. Plus all the folks in between have to look at all those high tension wires.

Lib-tards are always saying "buy local" until they have a power plant in their backyard.
 
Damocles said:
BTW - It's just a curiosity, not antipathy. I personally believe that it is a National Security Imperative to get off the foreign oil teat, however it isn't going to happen through wind energy.

Imagine if they suggesting putting them up in Yellowstone, or right in front of Mount Rushmore...

I just can't see why they pick this place over the myriad of places that people would be happy to see them.
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Again, there's not a lot of demand for power in these places.

This ain't a National Park- its a shipping lane. I used to sail this area when I was a kid, and my family still owns property on Buzzard Bay. You have to watch for the freighters making their way in and out of the Cape Cod Canal. They don't stop for an 18' Hobie Cat.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, there's not a lot of demand for power in these places.

This ain't a National Park- its a shipping lane. I used to sail this area when I was a kid, and my family still owns property on Buzzard Bay. You have to watch for the freighters making their way in and out of the Cape Cod Canal. They don't stop for an 18' Hobie Cat.
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There are places much like mine in Mass. (yeah, they farm there too). It shows some sick imperative to have to "fight" things to pick a place so popular amongst the locals.

The proximity issue is less than you believe, to this day people still purchase energy from CO in CA.
 
Damocles said:
There are places much like mine in Mass. (yeah, they farm there too). It shows some sick imperative to have to "fight" things to pick a place so popular amongst the locals.

The proximity issue is less than you believe, to this day people still purchase energy from CO in CA.
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You seem to forget that I know that Commonwealth very well. It has few farms, never had many since the industrial revolution compared to New York and nothing like the MidWest.

You can purchase power from across the country but that doesn't mean that's were the electrons come from. Its a common grid. Your actual power comes from the closet plant, even though your check might go across the country.

These same locals fighting this are the same folks who fight nuke plants, coal plants, hydro, drilling for oil and natural gas, then tell us in fly-over country to have wind farms and solar farms- that can never supply anything more than a meager percentage of the county's needs. Yet they consume power far away from where its generated. Screw them bitches. I'm glad their hypocrisy is exposed. Shove this fucking monstrosity down their throats.
 
Southern Man said:
You seem to forget that I know that Commonwealth very well. It has few farms, never had many since the industrial revolution compared to New York and nothing like the MidWest.

You can purchase power from across the country but that doesn't mean that's were the electrons come from. Its a common grid. Your actual power comes from the closet plant, even though your check might go across the country.

These same locals fighting this are the same folks who fight nuke plants, coal plants, hydro, drilling for oil and natural gas, then tell us in fly-over country to have wind farms and solar farms- that can never supply anything more than a meager percentage of the county's needs. Yet they consume power far away from where its generated. Screw them bitches. I'm glad their hypocrisy is exposed. Shove this fucking monstrosity down their throats.
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The power is passed grid to grid, it is the company that purchases it and sells it to the users. It is silly to say that it isn't where the "electrons" come from. Gigawats are purchased and passed from grid to grid. It is even used there, on that grid. The power passed from one grid to another isn't somehow "less fresh" than other power, but it is there...

Again. I am interested in why they selected such a picturesque and popular place rather than say, nearer to the dump.
 
Damocles said:
The power is passed grid to grid, it is the company that purchases it and sells it to the users. It is silly to say that it isn't where the "electrons" come from. Gigawats are purchased and passed from grid to grid. It is even used there, on that grid. The power passed from one grid to another isn't somehow "less fresh" than other power, but it is there...

Again. I am interested in why they selected such a picturesque and popular place rather than say, nearer to the dump.
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Actually, its silly to think that you can by power from a wind farm 2000 miles away and that's the power that you're using. Its no different than a connected water system. Turn on the spigot and out comes water from the nearest reservoir.

The dump doesn't need the power. And its not going to, since they ship all the trash to the SEMASS plant. Again, by putting the source close to the users, efficiency is improved, waste is minimized. These lib-tards on The Cape will just have to get used to it.
 
they aren't ugly....
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Damocles said:
The power is passed grid to grid, it is the company that purchases it and sells it to the users. It is silly to say that it isn't where the "electrons" come from. Gigawats are purchased and passed from grid to grid. It is even used there, on that grid. The power passed from one grid to another isn't somehow "less fresh" than other power, but it is there...

Again. I am interested in why they selected such a picturesque and popular place rather than say, nearer to the dump.
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Two reasons, the wind is much more consistent offshore and they are less of an eyesore miles out to sea than on the top of hills or mountains.
 
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Damocles said:
BTW - It's just a curiosity, not antipathy. I personally believe that it is a National Security Imperative to get off the foreign oil teat, however it isn't going to happen through wind energy.

Imagine if they suggesting putting them up in Yellowstone, or right in front of Mount Rushmore...

I just can't see why they pick this place over the myriad of places that people would be happy to see them.
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to screw with the environmentalists?
 
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