Why should the Dept. of Education be retained?

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Who is collecting the money? You just eliminated the department responsible for that.
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I am amused that you believe that the Government doesn't have a Treasury Department.

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Poor Richard Saunders said:
If you eliminate the Department of Education are you forgiving all existing government backed student loans since it is the education department that administers those loans? What will the banks do when the government is no longer guaranteeing those loans and borrowers stop paying?
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Hell no! Those can be administered by some other agency that already exists. It doesn't take a department of education to administer and insure student loans.

However, I will say, it'd be better if the federal government wound down those programs and eventually ended them. Universities and such would be forced to lower their prices since they couldn't count on students getting government loans anymore.

This is why in an example:

A university charges say, $200 for a course. Students are paying $200 out of pocket for it. Along comes the government who says they'll loan the students $200 to take the course. The university raises the cost of the course to $400 getting the students to pay $200 out of pocket, and helps them get the $200 loan to cover the rest. The university doesn't give a shit if the student can pay back the loan or not--it isn't their problem.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The Department of Education should not only be retained, but should be the primary source in charge of education.
I don't mean lowlife fucking political appointments like Betsy DeVos and Linda McMahon.
I mean the career PhD professionals.
Elites are elite for a reason, and right wing populism is social cancer.

Leaving education to local yokels is why so many red state students are so fucking, hopelessly ignorant.
Further, funding public education with local property taxes is why education is so inequitable.
It should be funded from higher personal and corporate income taxes.
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Handing over to PhD "professionals" Would be the absolute worst decision ever..
Those kind of elites as you call them are just another reason that our schools are a disaster right now... People making decisions who are completely clueless about schools....Kids... teachers....You know the most important considerations when it comes to teaching... Our meetings with federal representatives
were complete jokes... Special education is ruined... They've made it
pretty much impossible to teach the kids the way they need to be taught...
 
TOP said:
Handing over to PhD "professionals" Would be the absolute worst decision ever..
Those kind of elites as you call them.Another reason that our schools are complete disaster right no
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I agree with that. Better a teacher with a high school diploma or bachelors who is thoroughly knowledgeable in the subject matter and is really enthusiastic about teaching it than a PhD that doesn't have that sort of level of commitment and goes through the motions instead. Better the first is teaching in a barebones classroom than the second having every bell and whistle of the latest classroom technology too.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
We've all heard that the Trump administration might get rid of the Department of Education in its entirety. There are arguments, mostly from the Left and teachers' unions, to keep it open and funded.

A lot of the discussion has been over why it should be disestablished. I'd like to know what the arguments for keeping it funded and running are, and how those are justified.
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^^Pretends to have graduate degree in history. And bashes education every day.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
We've all heard that the Trump administration might get rid of the Department of Education in its entirety. There are arguments, mostly from the Left and teachers' unions, to keep it open and funded.

A lot of the discussion has been over why it should be disestablished. I'd like to know what the arguments for keeping it funded and running are, and how those are justified.
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There is not reason to keep it open.
 
You can roll with Karly..I'll roll with 30 years of teaching Specisl Ed... And watching on a daily basis
Teachers struggling to just Be able to teach.... The whole administrative system needs revamped..
Washington is a good place to start...
 
Truth Detector said:
What a moronic argument. Why would it make the requirement to pay back the loans moot? They made a contract, they have to honor it.

Can you show me where the Constitution states the Federal Government should be involved in education?



They will start collection actions in our courts of law.

Can you show me where the Constitution states the Federal Government should be involved in education?
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If you have a contract to pay back the US Department of Education and that entity no longer exists then you can't honor your contract because there is no one to pay.

Who can start collections? The DoE no longer exists and they are the ones that hold the repayment contract.

Can you show me where education has nothing to do with general welfare?
 
TOP said:
You can roll with Karly..I'll roll with 30 years of teaching Specisl Ed... And watching on a daily basis
Teachers struggling to just Be able to teach.... The whole administrative system needs revamped..
Washington is a good place to start...
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Since you claim to have been a teacher tell us one thing you were required to teach by federal rules or regulations. Then cite the regulation.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Hell no! Those can be administered by some other agency that already exists. It doesn't take a department of education to administer and insure student loans.

However, I will say, it'd be better if the federal government wound down those programs and eventually ended them. Universities and such would be forced to lower their prices since they couldn't count on students getting government loans anymore.

This is why in an example:

A university charges say, $200 for a course. Students are paying $200 out of pocket for it. Along comes the government who says they'll loan the students $200 to take the course. The university raises the cost of the course to $400 getting the students to pay $200 out of pocket, and helps them get the $200 loan to cover the rest. The university doesn't give a shit if the student can pay back the loan or not--it isn't their problem.
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It would take an act of Congress to give the power to collect those loans to another agency.
If you eliminate the DoE where do the records go? There is no place they can go by law since they are personal records and no one else outside the DoE is supposed to have access to them.
 
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