Neocon lies never die, they're just denied!

Taichiliberal

Taichiliberal

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I pointed out in a previous thread how the neocon media bullhorns continue to repeat disproven lies. Now here's a prime example of how they not only LIE their asses off, but DENY the lies they tell.

O'Reilly's whopper: "Nobody" on Fox said failing to buy health insurance could result in jail time

Responding to Sen. Tom Coburn's suggestion that Fox News perpetuated the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, Bill O'Reilly repeatedly insisted that "nobody" on Fox advanced that assertion. In fact, Fox has relentlessly pushed that falsehood, including on O'Reilly's own show.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004130073
 
Taichiliberal said:
I pointed out in a previous thread how the neocon media bullhorns continue to repeat disproven lies. Now here's a prime example of how they not only LIE their asses off, but DENY the lies they tell.

O'Reilly's whopper: "Nobody" on Fox said failing to buy health insurance could result in jail time

Responding to Sen. Tom Coburn's suggestion that Fox News perpetuated the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, Bill O'Reilly repeatedly insisted that "nobody" on Fox advanced that assertion. In fact, Fox has relentlessly pushed that falsehood, including on O'Reilly's own show.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004130073
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you mean faux news?
 
Taichiliberal said:
I pointed out in a previous thread how the neocon media bullhorns continue to repeat disproven lies. Now here's a prime example of how they not only LIE their asses off, but DENY the lies they tell.

O'Reilly's whopper: "Nobody" on Fox said failing to buy health insurance could result in jail time

Responding to Sen. Tom Coburn's suggestion that Fox News perpetuated the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance,

Bill O'Reilly repeatedly insisted that "nobody" on Fox advanced that assertion. In fact, Fox has relentlessly pushed that falsehood, including on O'Reilly's own show.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004130073
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It's congenital with rightwingers.

There's about 40 million wingnuts that voted for bush twice, defended him for seven years with every fiber of their being, and spent two decades yelling that markets can be trusted to self regulate and government just mucks things up.

Any yet, today they'll claim with a straight face that they "never supported Bush", that they always were for government regulation of markets, and they they never supported the Iraq war. My prediction is that in five years, the idiots who were babbling about "climate gate" are going to claim that they were never flat-earth climate deniers.

Some dude is going to win a Nobel prize in Psychology someday if they can ever figure out the source of the congenital and pathological lying of tea bag partiers.
 
Cypress said:
It's congenital with rightwingers.

There's about 40 million wingnuts that voted for bush twice, defended him for seven years with every fiber of their being, and spent two decades yelling that markets can be trusted to self regulate and government just mucks things up.

Any yet, today they'll claim with a straight face that they "never supported Bush", that they always were for government regulation of markets, and they they never supported the Iraq war. My prediction is that in five years, the idiots who were babbling about "climate gate" are going to claim that they were never flat-earth climate deniers.

Some dude is going to win a Nobel prize in Psychology someday if they can ever figure out the source of the congenital and pathological lying of tea bag partiers.
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You ain't just whistl'in Dixie! :cof1:
 
Taichiliberal said:
I pointed out in a previous thread how the neocon media bullhorns continue to repeat disproven lies. Now here's a prime example of how they not only LIE their asses off, but DENY the lies they tell.

O'Reilly's whopper: "Nobody" on Fox said failing to buy health insurance could result in jail time

Responding to Sen. Tom Coburn's suggestion that Fox News perpetuated the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, Bill O'Reilly repeatedly insisted that "nobody" on Fox advanced that assertion. In fact, Fox has relentlessly pushed that falsehood, including on O'Reilly's own show.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004130073
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March 21, 2010..UHC bill passed
and since its passage with no criminal penalties for non-complience no one, including Fox News has claimed it has criminal penalties....
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Before its passage it was correctly reported that the bill would have criminal penalties for non-compliance as is proven below....

Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

Both the House and the Senate versions of health care reform required individuals to be covered by a minimum level of health insurance or pay a monetary penalty. A November 2009 letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation on the House health care bill stated that individuals who did not have such coverage and refused to pay the fine would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." The committee's letter explains that the tax code provides penalties to prevent tax evasion of any sort: "The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax." [Joint Committee on Taxation letter, 11/5/09]
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So, in reality...YOU are the liar.
Mis-characterizing the facts and the reality because O'Reilly didn't elaborate on the timeline to make clear his claim....

It was the duty of FOX and other news organizations to report on earlier versions and what the JC on Taxation said...
 
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Here is the left disingenuous explanation....

the House health care reform bill states that people must "buy a $15,000 policy or go to jail." In fact, as stated by the Joint Committee on Taxation letter on which Drudge's and WND's claims are based, the bill does not impose criminal penalties on people merely for failing to purchase health insurance; rather, people who do not buy health insurance and also willfully refuse to pay the tax imposed on them for such actions can face civil or criminal penalties.

What convoluted bullshit....
 
bravo said:
Here is the left disingenuous explanation....

the House health care reform bill states that people must "buy a $15,000 policy or go to jail." In fact, as stated by the Joint Committee on Taxation letter on which Drudge's and WND's claims are based, the bill does not impose criminal penalties on people merely for failing to purchase health insurance; rather, people who do not buy health insurance and also willfully refuse to pay the tax imposed on them for such actions can face civil or criminal penalties.

What convoluted bullshit....
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What do you expect from a childish liberal?
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I pointed out in a previous thread how the neocon media bullhorns continue to repeat disproven lies. Now here's a prime example of how they not only LIE their asses off, but DENY the lies they tell.

O'Reilly's whopper: "Nobody" on Fox said failing to buy health insurance could result in jail time

Responding to Sen. Tom Coburn's suggestion that Fox News perpetuated the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, Bill O'Reilly repeatedly insisted that "nobody" on Fox advanced that assertion. In fact, Fox has relentlessly pushed that falsehood, including on O'Reilly's own show.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004130073
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bravo said:
March 21, 2010..UHC bill passed
and since its passage with no criminal penalties for non-complience no one, including Fox News has claimed it has criminal penalties....
============
Before its passage it was correctly reported that the bill would have criminal penalties for non-compliance as is proven below....

Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

Both the House and the Senate versions of health care reform required individuals to be covered by a minimum level of health insurance or pay a monetary penalty. A November 2009 letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation on the House health care bill stated that individuals who did not have such coverage and refused to pay the fine would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." The committee's letter explains that the tax code provides penalties to prevent tax evasion of any sort: "The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax." [Joint Committee on Taxation letter, 11/5/09]
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So, in reality...YOU are the liar.
Mis-characterizing the facts and the reality because O'Reilly didn't elaborate on the timeline to make clear his claim....

It was the duty of FOX and other news organizations to report on earlier versions and what the JC on Taxation said...
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I don't know what is more pathetic...Fox News consistent half-truths, exaggerations and distortions, or willfully ignorant neocon parrots like Bravo who lap up their propaganda like a thirsty dog.

LISTEN UP, STUPID..... "A November 2009 letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation on the House health care bill stated that individuals who did not have such coverage and refused to pay the fine would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax"

You don't pay taxes, you get penalized.....possibly jail time. That goes for individuals and businesses. That has been established FOR ALL TAXES since and before you and I were born. Got that bunky?

What Fox News and all it's bullhorns did was EXAGGERATE, DISTORT AND MISLEAD. It's something they do quite well.....but they seem to be REAL touchy about being caught doing it.
 
Originally Posted by bravo
Here is the left disingenuous explanation....

the House health care reform bill states that people must "buy a $15,000 policy or go to jail." In fact, as stated by the Joint Committee on Taxation letter on which Drudge's and WND's claims are based, the bill does not impose criminal penalties on people merely for failing to purchase health insurance; rather, people who do not buy health insurance and also willfully refuse to pay the tax imposed on them for such actions can face civil or criminal penalties.

What convoluted bullshit....
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TuTu Monroe said:
What do you expect from a childish liberal?
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:palm: Learn to READ, Blabba...and then apply it to historical FACT.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=635773&postcount=11
 
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bravo said:
Here is the left disingenuous explanation....

the House health care reform bill states that people must "buy a $15,000 policy or go to jail." In fact, as stated by the Joint Committee on Taxation letter on which Drudge's and WND's claims are based, the bill does not impose criminal penalties on people merely for failing to purchase health insurance; rather, people who do not buy health insurance and also willfully refuse to pay the tax imposed on them for such actions can face civil or criminal penalties.

What convoluted bullshit....
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:palm: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=635773&postcount=11
 
Taichiliberal said:
I pointed out in a previous thread how the neocon media bullhorns continue to repeat disproven lies.
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When a liberal accuses a conservative of lying, and the conservative proves that his statement is the truth, then the conservative has every right to repeat the dis-proven lie.


LOL at Libbie's latest gaffe. :cof1:
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I pointed out in a previous thread how the neocon media bullhorns continue to repeat disproven lies.
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Southern Man said:
When a liberal accuses a conservative of lying, and the conservative proves that his statement is the truth, then the conservative has every right to repeat the dis-proven lie.


LOL at Libbie's latest gaffe. :cof1:
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:palm: And since the opening post on this thread and the subsequent information has NOTHING to do with Southie's babbling here, it seems that once again....when neocons are confronted with FACTS they can't deny...neocons just blow smoke and avoid acknowledging they're wrong.
 
Taichiliberal said:
:palm: And since the opening post on this thread and the subsequent information has NOTHING to do with Southie's babbling here, it seems that once again....when neocons are confronted with FACTS they can't deny...neocons just blow smoke and avoid acknowledging they're wrong.
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Once again, you accuse me of doing what you did yourself.

Will you admit your gaffe? Or go on another rant and call me silly names?
 
Smarter Than All Y'All said:
The non sequitur is the chosen path of the Old Southern Man.
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This is standard for him....whenever he can't logically or factually disprove anything I post or write, he creates "gaffes" or some other nonsense that exists only in his mind, and then spends the rest of the thread carrying on about how his fantasy is the "real" issue and if no one indulges him, that's confirmation that he was originally right.

I swear, it's amazing how much effort these neocon jackasses go to just to avoid admitting error. It's a freaking discussion board! You learn, you discuss, you argue, but you don't lose your mind like they do!
 
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